911 Probe? - The Joke's On Us 7-27-4

[midwayer]

Latest from Kaminski

It's on Rense

http://www.rense.com/general54/911pprobe.htm

[DenverDem]

1. It was a complete whitewash, otherwise busholini wouldn't "embrace" it.

What really happened? Not what the government says happened.

[nolabels]

2. Not all of us, most of us here saw it coming

Nazi's, Fascism, dictators, communism and most other controlling groups are a response to man and his ideas. These people's response is a result of fear that they are trying to control. It's a fear of their fellow man and what might be invented by them. If I thought of it that way, I would be fearful too.

[midwayer]

3. Kaminski's just a little pissed

I'd say right now

He does say that many of the theorist researchers, even though they may proclaim the most outlandish theories, still in other areas of thier research, have provided some good /credible information that add greatly to the overall scope.

Eventually the field will have to narrow in order for any real progress to be made.

Only with more facts will can the discrediting be halted.

Look how far it has come since 911. IMO There is no reason it can't continue to narrow over time.

[midwayer]

4. The real problem is that

the 911 commy report has stuck a huge stumbling block into the ability of independent researchers to continue thier work.

We need some way to insert some unity

ONE GREAT BIG OBSTRUCTION OF JUSTICE as it can't be pursued do to international banking laws.

Bankers

[objection]

5. Looking how far

I see all the same old stuff that was already kicked around more than two whole years ago.

Seriously, what's new since then?

The change is that it is now so much more obsessive, so much more repetitive, so much more trivial, and so much more ridiculous.

[BeFree]

24. You resemble that remark, objection

The change is that it is now so much more obsessive, so much more repetitive, so much more trivial, and so much more ridiculous.

For two years we have listened to the "Whacky Cavemen Did It" (WCDI) protestations from an assorted bunch and after these two years there is nothing new from any of them... just the same old same old "WCDI Theory".

Ya know, it makes me fear mightily for the safety of my country when so many continue to believe only what they are told.

[LARED]

6. Serious Question

Are there any 9/11 conspiracy theorists that are not associated with neo-fascist, anti-zionists kookery?

[Abe Linkman]

7. Since 9/11 WAS a conspiracy, you are correct to include bush...

Cheney, Olson, Wolfowitz, Don "Hi Sadam, how's business?" Rumsfeld et al. Every single one of 'em is a neo-fascist. What about YOU?

[LARED]

8. Same old tire line, Do you have anything new? (n/t)

[Abe Linkman]

9. Telling the truth ISN'T new for me, but I'm not so sure about you. n/t

[objection]

20. Which is presumably because

you never bother to do any research.

There really isn't much of this that you should have to take any one person's word for.

[midwayer]

10. Lared, when you say "associated"

Are you implying that thier theories are pointed to the guilt of Judeo-Christian-Straussian neocon factions or are you implying that they are a part of and have specific confirmed ties to anti-Judeo neocon Straussians?

IMO the Judeo-Christian-Straussian neocon factions have some serious ideologies which set the foundation for implication for guilt of a conspiracy.

JMHO

[LARED]

11. The implication is this

Every 9/11 conspiracy propagandist that get posted here seems to be associated with kooky media outlets that are at some level neo-marxist; neo-fascist; anti-zionist; anti-semitic; illuminatist; Jews run the world; Armageddon is coming; flat earther; holocaust denier - revisionist.

Are there any credible journalists that advocate the wacky 9/11 conspiracies?

[midwayer]

12. That would seem to be the case

makes for much confusion and it does cast a huge shadow on the credibilty of the overall scope as well.

Maybe one could take all the site's and grab the facts where they all agree on any of the points and set a percentage of probability or at least have a base to start from.

But who has the time to do that! LOL

[objection]

13. Michael C. Ruppert

http://www.copvcia.com/ftw/about.html

[midwayer]

14. So would most here

consider Ruppert THE most respected, credible, level headed and most aggressive in his due diligence? It looks like he very well may be just looking intially at his crudentials.

And I admit, I have not read all of Ruppert's work to see his conclusions but but have been to FTW before in times past directed from other sites and read a various article or two. Just never followed it up.

Looks like I need to read about David Corn as well

Just curious who is on what side of the fence here when it comes to Ruppert.


I have a lot of reading to do.

[objection]

15. It depends what your objective is.

To be spoonfed with the absolute incontrovertible truth there may be be a premium charge, subject to terms and conditions.

There may also be a life long waiting list and an entrance examination.

With most of them you will eventually get to a point where something is so flagrantly wrong, so sloppily and irresponsibly researched that you give up immediately. Life is too short. With Ruppert most of it is contentious; he may be wrong but he's careful. It goes back to his training and experience. He seems to know when not to expect the Earth to move, what not to touch and how to handle his own ego.

[midwayer]

17. I just figured that out

thanks...lol

It would appear he's relying on what he knows in regards to the historical/foundation research as the premise for his conclusions rather then getting into too much technical.

[objection]

22. More to the point

He relies on what he can prove. He leaves it to others to piece together the philosophical jigsaw. Police training! I like that. Those who prefer to start from the other end could learn a lot from the method.

[midwayer]

16. Well now that I look through here

there is more here than I thought that I have already read.

Not being a subscriber, as far as I can tell, I can't get anything up to date.

In his article "No way Out" he discusses the fact that it is not worth even attempting to investigate the details of 911 because he's already convinced they LIED.

[midwayer]

19. I should add

already convinced they LIED based on his compiled fundamental research.

[objection]

21. They lied?

What?

The servants of your elected political representatives lied?

Pass the smelling salts.

:scared:

[Zorra]

18. We all know that the PNAC would never conspire to invade Iraq

based on false intelligence, or conspire to commit a terrorist attack.

Of course they wouldn't.

The PNAC is a group of loyal Americans that only have the best interests of the people of the United States at heart, and would never do anything that was not on the up and up. Dick Cheney is not hiding anything by refusing to turn over documents about a secret energy commission. George Bu$h was not AWOL. John Ashcroft is only gagging Sibel Edmonds because she wants to tell about her church group picnic.

This ridiculous story about CIA agent Valerie Plame being outed is just a communist fabrication to make the the PNAC Bu$h administration look bad. Why, Robert Mueller, who took over as FBI director on 9/4/01, just took the lead investigator off the Plame case, so we can now be sure that there was no wrongdoing by the WH in the Plame case.

And that Iran-Contra stuff? All bogus. Ronald Reagan, Elliot Abrams, Ollie North, etc. were all framed by commie leftists.

And the whole Watergate thing was a commie lie, too.

There are no conspiracies! People looking for the truth about 9/11 must stop immediately. The 9/11 Commission report has come out and this issue is settled. George Bu$h is an honest man that did not feel the need to testify under oath to the 9/ll commission because of his undeniable integrity, and he had nothing to hide!

There are no conspiracies. And this will prove it once and for all:

Below is a statement from Justice Robert Jackson at the Nuremberg Trials. Comparison of the admission of a right wing conspiracy in the statement below by McNickle, and the statement below by Justice Jackson, should make every decent American's blood run cold.

This column will really upset liberals
by Colin McNickle

As with fools, I don't suffer liberals gladly. I'm a proud member of the vast right-wing conspiracy. If not a founding member, I'm at least a charter member and darn proud of it. And I, too, find myself continually shaking my head over the Styrofoam-for-brains liberals and ``their'' media.

All who enter my office are reminded of my persuasion when they leave. It's so chilling that some even here don't linger very long.

My ``sustaining membership'' card for 2002 from the Republican National Committee, taped to the wall, is one far-from-tacit notandum. (Down boys and girls; no money exchanged hands for this honorific.)

It features that very large headline, ``Roosevelt Dead,'' from which I garner immeasurable inspiration every single day.

http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/search/s_8526.html

Nazi Conspiracy & Aggression
Volume I Chapter V
Justice Jackson's Opening Address for the United States of America
(Part 2 of 17)

We will not ask you to convict these men on the testimony of their foes. There is no count of the Indictment that cannot be proved by books and records. The Germans were always meticulous record keepers, and these defendants had their share of the Teutonic passion for thoroughness in putting things on paper. Nor were they without vanity. They arranged frequently to be photographed in action. We will show you their own films. You will see their own conduct and hear their own voices as these defendants reenact for you, from the screen, some of the events in the course of the conspiracy.

We would also make clear that we have no purpose to incriminate the whole German people. We know that the Nazi Party was not put in power by a majority of the German vote. We know it came to power by an evil alliance between the most extreme of the Nazi revolutionists, the most unrestrained of the German reactionaries, and the most aggressive of the German militarists. If the German populace had willingly accepted the Nazi program, no Stormtroopers would have been needed in the early days of the Party and there would have been no need for concentration camps or the Gestapo, both of which institutions were inaugurated as soon as the Nazis gained control of the German state. Only after these lawless innovations proved successful at home were they taken abroad.

In general, our case will disclose these defendants all uniting at some time with the Nazi Party in a plan which they well knew could be accomplished only by an outbreak of war in Europe. Their seizure of the German state, their subjugation of the German people, their terrorism and extermination of dissident elements, their planning and waging of war, their calculated and planned ruthlessness in the conduct of warfare, their deliberate and planned criminality toward conquered peoples, all these are ends for which they acted in concert; and all these are phases of the conspiracy, a conspiracy which reached one goal only to set out for another and more ambitious one. We shall also trace for you the intricate web of organizations which these men formed and utilized to accomplish these ends. We will show how the entire structure of offices and officials was dedicated to the

It is my purpose to open the case, particularly under Count One of the Indictment, and to deal with the common plan or conspiracy to achieve ends possible only by resort to crimes against peace, war crimes, and crimes against humanity. My emphasis will not be on individual barbarities and perversions which may have occurred independently of any central plan. One of the dangers ever present is that this trial may be protracted by details of particular wrongs and that we will become lost in a "wilderness of single instances." Nor will I now dwell on the activity of individual defendants except as it may contribute to exposition of the common plan.

http://216.239.41.104/search?q=cache:5d77mAWSHZMJ:www.n...

No, we must have faith in government, and trust everything that they do and say. Governments are good and never lie. Do not ever question their authority. 9/11 is over. Forget about it. Go back to sleep.

Do not look for truth.

(sarcasm off)

[Jim Sagle]

30. Ask and ye shall receive.

http://www.tenc.net/

Best investigation site around.

[midwayer]

31. Jim Sagle

Thanks..nice to see another view on the subjects.

The US Recreated the Nazi War Crimes Machine by Jared Israel

Part 1

http://emperors-clothes.com/coverup/summary.htm

Part 2

http://emperors-clothes.com/coverup/1983.htm


I don't see part 3 here. Part 2 was released in Jan 2004

This would seem to go along with the dealings that go back to the stories we see that implicate Prescott Bush and the fact that GHB 41 was CIA 1983?

I don't see the Bush name mentioned once, unless I missed it

Just some thoughts

[midwayer]

32. This is also

Someone else who exposes the Nazification of the US intelligence and other entities is Larouche, he's even recently named specific names which he says are a threat to us as of today

LaRouche Warns of Northern Virginia Terrorist Threat;
Names Quijano Factor
WASHINGTON, July 16

Do any of you know the name of Fernando Quijano? Fernando Quijano is a former associate who was recruited by people such as Nestor Sanchez and by the Nazi organization based in Mexico. The Nazi organization based in Mexico was established there from about 1935 on, directly by Hitler from Berlin, from a special office in Berlin. This coordinated with Hitler's determination to ensure that a Nazi by the name of Francisco Franco, would succeed in establishing a fascist dictatorship in Spain, with the support of Hitler and Mussolini.
"This group, this Nazi group in Mexico which are called the Synarchists, which became known under such names as the PAN, this group had--in cooperation with Nazi Germany and with Japan--plans up into 1941, up until Midway, until the U.S. fleet defeated the Japanese fleet at Midway in June of 1942. Until that point, this group in Mexico, this group run by the Nazis, using Nazis recruited to Nazism in Mexico, including priests, centered in Guadalajara, a state of Mexico, had plans for military operations of a terrorist nature, against the territory of the United States; trying to incite people of Hispanic backgrounds, especially of Mexican backgrounds in the United States, to become part of this Franquista version of Nazism.
"That organization exists today. I warned about it. It exists in Argentina, it exists in Uruguay, it exists in Brazil, it exists in Venezuela, it exists now in Peru, in Bolivia, as well as Mexico, and elsewhere. It is organizing in this area, organizing fools and sympathizers for this kind of--and exactly the same kind of propaganda which the Nazis promoted in their operations in Mexico in the 1930s and early 1940s. Is there a possibility that this operation, this so-called Hispanic operation, would be used for a terrorist act or acts in the foreseeable future? Yes. Yes. But that doesn't make any difference about having the election in November, as scheduled. We have the election anyway.
"What we do is, we move to deal with the terrorist threat.
"Now the first step you do to deal with something like that, is you expose it. Now, I've named the name. I could also name another name, an associate of Fernando's, Nestor Sanchez, a resident of Leesburg, or was a resident of Leesburg, Virginia, close to this death squad operation which a so-called section of the CIA was running in Central America, with the approval and support of Fernando. So there is a danger, and the danger is known to us. It's close. It's a danger, the facts of which should be known to the U.S. government, and this kind of problem should be dealt with, by exposing it. If you expose it, you isolate it. You neutralize it. You will find this kind of operation depends upon fools. You recruit fools to put their lives on the line for the dirty work which a handful are leading.
"And the direction of this is coming out of Spain, out of fascist Spain, because the fascist organization still exists there, under leadership of people, Fernando's close associate Blas Pinar, who was the head of Nazi-like organizations in Spain, in France and in Italy today. He's a key leader of it. Therefore, if we expose the stuff, and move to isolate the hard-core perpetrators, and cause their dupes to run away, that's the first step."

http://larouchein2004.net/pages/pressreleases/2004/040716_nva_terror.htm

[Jim Sagle]

34. LaRouche is a notorious wacko and crook who was jailed for swindling his

followers. He has undergone several political transformations. Now he poses as a "Roosevelt Democrat." Before that, he was to the right of Ronald Reagan. He has called the Queen of England a dope peddler.

[Jim Sagle]

33. Bush is mentioned quite prominently in the site's 9-11 section.

http://emperors-clothes.com/indict/911page.htm

Aside from Bush's name, Cheney's name is mentioned quite prominently. The government as guilty party is referred to quite often here also.

[Name removed]

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[Dancing_Dave]

25. Can you give me ONE link to something Kaminsky wrote

That proves your outrageous insult against him?

[geek tragedy]

26. Ask, and ye shall receive

http://www.serendipity.li/zionism/jk_on_joos.htm

<snip>
But just because I revile Hitler doesn't mean I believe the fictions the Jewish dominated media have spun about the Holocaust. I have been driven irrevocably into the category of Holocaust denier (a 1947 AP story said 875,000 Jews were killed in Germany during WW II) simply because of the way the Jewish community has trumpeted its martyrdom for financial gain, how the Jewish community has destroyed freedom of speech in a dozen European countries by making it a crime to talk about the events that led up to World War II.

I mean, if what the Jews were saying were actually true, they wouldn't need to pass laws to prevent their opponents from talking about it. They'd simply defeat them in an empirical argument, or in a court of law.
<snip>

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BWorst of all were the recent remarks by Harvard president Lawrence Summers and his henchman Alan Dershowitz, who decried the recent rise of anti-Semitism. All this means to me is that Harvard is no longer a great university, but just another influential vehicle for Jewish propaganda. Check out the school's Enron investments sometime.

It's not a rise of anti-Semitism; it's a rise of disgust by thoughtful people who are appalled by the Jewish failure to admit the appalling crimes against humanity their Israeli cousins are perpetrating against the dark-skinned peoples of the region, and their political double agents are doing to the integrity of the American government.

This is a smokescreen kind of lie in which Jews exploited the so-called Holocaust for a kind of political immunity. Let's be nice to them because they've had a hard time, everyone was encouraged to think. And now we have more of the same: a worldwide wave of anti-Semitism used to camouflage obvious genocide in the Middle East.

I'm not an anti-Semite. I'm anti-Israel, an illegal nation which has inherited all the worst traits of Hitler's regime and passed them onto the United States. And I'm anti-Jew because there are so few Jews with the honesty to admit their beloved sanctuary of Israel is a lethal menace to every decent nation and ethnic group on earth, including itself. This too is a Jewish legacy that has been successfully passed to the United States.

Anti-Semite. That's a good one.

Jews aren't Semites at all; they're Turkic Mongols, who stormed their way across Asia with Genghis Khan 1500 years ago, became Khazars in the Ukraine a thousand years ago, adopted Judaism as a political strategy, then infiltrated eastern Europe, always ashamed of their Oriental lineage, which they have done their best to conceal.

But it's no secret; they're still behaving like Genghis Khan, taking what they want and lying about it. They picked up a lot of good pointers from Hitler, that's all. They have become like Hitler, but they always were like Hitler, because they're a lot like Genghis Khan, the greatest butcher of all time (although the Bushes are in the running), because they're descended from him.

It's a terrible hoax, just like the Holocaust. Zionists had an office at Hitler's headquarters to funnel a "chosen" few to Palestine. And because Zionists controlled the American media, we fell for the myth of the Holocaust, although it wasn't really introduced into the public until 20 years after the war ended.
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It's not an insult if it's the truth. Apology accepted.

[LARED]

29. Thanks for highlighting this issue

By and large the bulk of the 9/11 tin foilers are associated with revisionist groups. This is something I have been watching for a long time. These are not people seeking truth, but rather are people trying to re-write history to fit a sick agenda.

Once you start digging around these people it is amazing how many of them are neo-marxist, neo-nazi, etc, etc propagandist.

[geek tragedy]

27. I'm feeling generous---here's another

http://www.warfolly.vzz.net/americansatyricon.html

<snip>
The Jews, of course, are everyone's top target for vilification, and justifiably so for their continuing torture and extermination of the hapless Palestinians (which for a half century has been the world's most egregious atrocity), their perverting of the governments and media of countries not their own, and the growing realization that Jewish influences have fundamentally altered the character of all societies in which they have achieved a significant foothold.

The most regrettable aspect of criticism about the Jews, however, is that most of it comes from other denominations whose own histories are not exactly spotless when it comes to human decency and open-mindedness.

Jewish depredations in the areas of media and government cannot be successfully exposed by those espousing other creeds that may only replace one brand of social manipulation and spiritual coercion with another.

The difference is that Jews don't practice what they preach, as is evidenced in the internal policies of Israel, which are racist in the extreme, contrasted with practices of diversity they champion in other countries. What is becoming obvious in the world is that Jews preach assimilation of minorities in other countries but strictly resist such notions in their own.

One other significant Jewish manifestation in other countries in recent years has been the appearance of "hate" laws. In many countries in Europe, it is a crime to question the official version of the Nazi Holocaust. Why has this clear violation of freedom of speech been permitted?

If Holocaust deniers can't prove what they say, let them be exposed and ridiculed in the court of consensual public opinion. Don't prevent them from speaking their pieces.

Preventing anyone from speaking about anything only reveals that those making such restrictive laws definitely have something to hide, which is exactly the case with their Jews and their pathological passion to hide in their own victimhood as a ruse to conceal their exploitation of others.
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[geek tragedy]

28. And a third piece of Hitler apologia

http://www.rense.com/general43/britss.htm

<snip>
Using a barter trade system that completely circumvented control of the Jewish-dominated banking system (and getting help from American quislings among whom were the ancestors of George W. Bush), Hitler made Germany into an economic power when the rest of the Western world had been reduced to poverty-stricken chaos.

Because of the unfair treatment Germany had received during the creation of the Treaty of Versailles concluding World War I, and because Jewish bankers engineered that ripoff, Hitler began systematically stripping Jews of the their power in Germany. In 1933, world Jewry declared economic war on Germany, a fact well-documented in the history books. The move did little to curb Germany's economic success, as I say, at the exact time America was suffering the dire consequences of its Great Depression.

Further, Zionists worked out a deal with Hitler to not only fleece Jews in Germany, but to help some of them emigrate to Palestine, but only the Jews who Zionist officials deemed worthy to help start a new Jewish state were eligible. The remainder of the Jews were abandoned by the Zionist enterprise.

The epiphany that connects 9/11 to World War II is that there does not exist any non-Jewish written evidence supporting the contention that Hitler had a plan to exterminate Jews. It is true that once Hitler realized in 1942 that the Zionists with whom he had a working arrangement to help colonize Palestine had switched their allegiance to the British that he began rounding up Jews with renewed zeal.

But there is no written evidence among German documents (and Germans were and are notoriously meticulous record-keepers) that there was any plan for what is now known as the Holocaust. Nor is there any hard, non-Jewish evidence of so-called gas chambers. Most of the Jews who did die - certainly not 6 million - perished from either malnutrition or typhus, etc.

Now, in many European countries, there are laws prohibiting anyone from voicing these assertions. Freedom of speech around the world has been killed by Zionist Jews.

In fact, the Holocaust industry (as it is known today) did not really begin to capture the popular imagination until after the first Kennedy assassination, almost 20 years after WW II ended. (See 'The Holocaust Industry' By Prof Norman Finkelstein).

Sad to say - and it will horrify many so-called conscious and compassionate observers - but you can't clearly see the horrendous deception force-fed to the world about Arab terror and the Muslim threat without first seeing the colossal hoax of World War Two's so-called Holocaust, which gives the architects of the Jewish homeland a free pass to work their sinister strategies against the entire world.

And when you do see the Holohoax and 9/11 in the same wan light, you can also see how the Soviet threat was fabricated in the late 1940s to accelerate the profits of the arms makers. And possibly - if you research it - you can understand how Wall Street funded Hitler and the Bolshevik revolution was triggered by a batallion of Jews from Brooklyn.
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Yes, he used the term "Holohoax"--a trademark of Nazi bastard white supremacists.