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jberryhill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-06-08 12:57 AM
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Will Barack Obama Stop The Chemtrail Program?

Join us in Washington to Pray Against Chemtrails:

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LARED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-06-08 08:34 AM
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1. Chemtrails, Sylphs, & The Power of Prayer
http://educate-yourself.org/lte/chemtrailssylphsandprayer22jun08.shtml

As I was driving, I did not have time to stop, but traffic was light on Route 48 so I leaned forward, braced my forearms against my steering wheel, and said the following prayer:

"Dear Lord Jesus, please give your Sylphs the power to destroy these chemtrails today, Thank You and Amen."

With that, I continued on to work and clocked in, forgetting about what I had seen, and the brief prayer I had made.

When I left work that evening (around 6:15 pm) I looked up and was blessed with the most beautiful sight I have ever seen: the skies were ALIVE WITH SUNSHINE streaming gloriously thorugh the most amazing ARMADA of Sylphs I had ever seen!! There were literally thousands of Syplhs, of all shapes and sizes, flying high over a beautiful sky which looked GLORIOUS and VIBRANT with positive energy.


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There's no need for Obama to do anything about this as the Jesus has things under control.



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vincent_vega_lives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-24-09 09:41 AM
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35. Is that Baby Jesus or Full Grown Jesus? (n/t)
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LARED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-06-08 08:42 AM
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2. The Art of Mental Chembusting & Other Strategies of Etheric Resistance
Edited on Sat Dec-06-08 08:43 AM by LARED
http://educate-yourself.org/lte/mentalchembusting19jun07.shtml

"Mental chembusting" can be practiced in the silence and privacy of your mind. If you are open to these ideas, then there's nothing stopping you from joining this effort with other kindred "spirits" (and I do mean both incarnate and discarnate spirits who wish to assist) from around the world. I realize that this "work" is way out there and you'd have to be more of a graduate student rather than a freshman here at ole EYU in order to be up to speed on what the heck I'm talking about. ....

You can get better results if you raise your vibratory rate. We, like everything in the universe, are vibrating within a certain frequency range. Eat light foods, like veggies or fruit, and you get a higher frequency of vibration. Eat "heavy" foods like meat, and you lower your vibration. Think dark thoughts, you lower your vibration. Think higher, positive thoughts and you speed up your vibration. Quiet the mind, speed up your vibration, etc. .....

We work hand in hand with the sylphs, as many have noted, as well as an eclectic bunch of interdimensional entities. As the conscious awareness of this divine intervention raises, we are more empowered. As Ken has so aptly noted, WE must consent to the help of interdimensional entities, this is freewill. They will not do it for us. We must work synergistically, blending the etheric and physical energies. Communicate with the sylphs and make clear that you would like to help ground their energies in the physical. Remember that intention IS communication, they will get the message.

Many of you have dragons hanging out in the higher dimensions that you are not consciously aware of (they have been with you for thousands of years, and for obvious reasons it is not safe for them to cross into the third dimension at this time). They love chomping on chemtrails. Work with them, they channel their magic energies through you and you channel magic through them. I have had many an enjoyable afternoon as my dragon munched away at no-trails (failed chemtrail attempts) above my desert abode. On occasion I have observed other flying entities which I could not classify, but they work synergistically with both sylphs and dragons.

Call on the benevolent extraterrestrials (the Sirians, Pleiadians, Arcturians, and many others). They will gift you with additional chem-busting abilities,



If Obama creates a cabinet level position to fight Chemtrails, he knows where to look for the best and brightest.
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Forgotten helper Donating Member (2 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-08-09 05:29 AM
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20. Whos the one in charge of a few aspects really?
Edited on Sun Mar-08-09 05:34 AM by Forgotten helper
Dear Sirs and Misses!


I posted on here once before but revealed a bit too much and so deleted my posts. It is not innaccurate to say that I am responsible for the appearance and continuance of the sylphs. However it would seem maniacal or egotistical to make such claims and evidently if I were to proe such things it would merely place me in jeapoardy or the people around me so it appears im alone on this on. That looks like the nature of the game. I accept that. The secrecy aspects ect. One world needs one thing and another persons world has needs to not be interfered with in some ways and so my work and the sylphs work and the work of heaven and earth is left anonymous. Pehaps its an ancient tradition.

I need to get out of the matrix. If any one can help me to get to europe please grab me up a ticket and either reply to this posting or email me by sending an email to ken to forward to me. Perhaps I am on my own in all this...

Well anyways the world kind of pissed me off recently (mainly america but also humanity in general) after all i did for it... and so im going to trash alot of the states with hurricanes... Ill be working on the whole tornado thing to trash everything also but that takes other secret formulas so dont count on them as much... I dont feel all bad about it... i mean, Peoples souls can learn from stuff getting trashed so its not that bad. but if your living in hurricane areas its gonna be a bit windy so sell your house or something... If I cant get out of this hempisphere im melting the north pole next summer probably... problem with melting the pole is it trashes the environment for the penguins and caribou and also trashes some cool areas in europe and elsewhere that dont deserver to be trashed. Im hoping to mainly trash america but hey a little mayhe never hurt right to spice things up. People and humanity in general seems to think that they can just do whatever they want and theres no consequences...

Well anyways im in Florida and am headed north soon. once im north in like a month and out of the way of hurricane areas, i'll start sending them one after another... so itll break records an all that... and Ive discovered how to amplify them a bit and all that jazz so there really gonna suck!!

I know some of you out there in the matrix try to help me and all but you all fall asleep any ways like with christ in the garden when he asks you to stay up and be real with him you all fall asleep if shit gets to real as to whats going on so I cant be in that level with you in normal life and have to pretend that im a normal human with no superhero dork stuff going on haha...

Anyways its all good. I just need a plane ticket out of here but ive got some ways to sell art and all that sincec the economy is tanked and I cant land any construction house building work lately so ill probly make the money myself. Just know people in the matrix are like two inches tall anyways and are not in reality in th faintest.

Cheers
The forgotten fool :)

Keywords for article: Chemtrail Reduction; less chemtrails lately; not as many chemtrails; sylphs

PS you guys came up with the sylphs name.. not me :}

I always just called them clouds

I cant even spell sylphs and im the one who makes them duh so you guys should come up with a new name sometime i guess who know...

end comminication .
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LARED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-08-09 07:36 AM
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21. I hope you get help with exiting the Matrix
you clearly need to get out.
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Forgotten helper Donating Member (2 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-25-09 10:51 AM
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43. Makein it out of the matrix America
Well I am working on exiting. Is there anyone you might know who could assist me with a plane ticket. I have my passport and need a ticket. Right now im in Florida. I would pay them back as soon as possible. If you want to know who I am you can find my old webpage by searching for OMNI RAINBOW. Thanks for replying.
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Realityhack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-06-08 11:21 AM
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3. I doubt Obama will be able to stop any non-existing 'programs' n/t
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Tommy_J Donating Member (668 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-22-09 01:17 AM
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30. LOL

Well said
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SidDithers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-06-08 03:15 PM
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4. I predict exactly no change in the level of chemtrail activity...nt
Edited on Sat Dec-06-08 03:16 PM by SidDithers
:evilgrin:


Sid
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LARED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-06-08 03:19 PM
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5. How can you say a thing like that when you know
Jesus' sylphs are on Chemtrail duty.
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SidDithers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-06-08 07:52 PM
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8. "Jesus' slyphs"...
:rofl:

well played, sir :)

Sid
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SDuderstadt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-16-09 11:19 PM
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79. Boes anyone know where I can apply to be a...
"jesus sylph"? That sounds like a cool job.
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jberryhill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-07-08 01:39 AM
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10. I disagree

I would prefer to see Barack Obama expand the chemtrail program, for the sake of job growth.

Investing in mind control is one of the things we should increase during a recession.
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whatchamacallit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-06-08 03:56 PM
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6. After you guys have toweled off
you might want to realize the tactic of conflating Big Foot and the Loch Ness Monster with legitimate alternative theories regarding 911, is lame.
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LARED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-06-08 04:15 PM
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7. Conflation? Where? nt
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jberryhill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-07-08 01:30 AM
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9. My post is not about 9/11
Edited on Sun Dec-07-08 01:51 AM by jberryhill
This forum is also where chemtrail stuff goes, and there are quite a few active chemtrail folks on DU which read this forum.

I sincerely want their take on whether Obama will stop the chemtrails.

Why aren't you jumping in on the similar "Will Obama reveal the truth about UFO" thread, started by one of our resident UFOlogists?

Frankly, what I'd prefer to see is a re-naming of this forum to "Speculative Perspectives", "Minds Wide Open", or something like that, simply because it has become a catch-all for stuff generally deemed "fringe-y".

If I were interested in "conflating" things, I'd make a career out of it like:

Jerome Corsi - 9/11 Truther turned Obama basher

Phillip Berg - 9/11 Truther turned Obama birth certifitruther

Webster Tarpley - 9/11 LarouchieTruther turned Obama controlled by cabal of evil promoter


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dbt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-21-09 07:58 PM
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27. SOMEBODY here is scared shitless of this topic.
Fortunately, he has his little cabal of Precious and Protected Enablers to back him up, so he doesn't have to soil his hands.

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SDuderstadt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-21-09 08:06 PM
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28. Congratulations on...
the most incoherent post I've seen in a long time.
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dbt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-21-09 08:17 PM
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29. Thank you.
I'm a little surprised that it took you eight minutes. Y'all are slipping.



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LARED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-07-08 08:08 AM
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11. What legitimate alternative 911 theories did you have in mind?
I'm interested to understand where you draw the line between legitimate and distractions.
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Mist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-07-08 10:43 AM
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12. Probably not--Presidents are temp workers, compared to the power structure
Edited on Sun Dec-07-08 10:44 AM by lulu in NC
made by the military-industrial complex, which has been rolling along for decades.
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jberryhill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-07-08 12:30 PM
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13. Okay...

So do you think presidents ever find out about the chemtrail program and decide not to make a big deal out of it because they can't stop it, or do you suppose they just don't know about it?

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Mist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-07-08 05:11 PM
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Probably don't know about it--there's plenty presidents aren't clued in on
until there's a need to know. IMO.
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jberryhill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-08-08 12:26 AM
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16. Given the scale of the program...

Do you think anyone in the program might clue him in about it?

I'm not talking about whatever secret group in the government is directing it, but this program requires planes, chemicals, a lot of personnel, equipment, and so on.

You don't think there is one person in the entire operation that might be interested in letting the President know about it?

And, if it is a military operation, and the military people in the operation know that the president is not supposed to know about it, then how do they square that with their understanding that the President is the Commander in Chief? Do they all know they are part of a rogue operation and every commander of every airbase just sort of lets it all slide?
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Mist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-08-08 02:02 AM
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17. There are probably people who would like to clue a Pres. in, but may
be protecting their careers and pensions. I don't know if chemtrails would be classified as "military actions." They're probably written off as "training."

No, I don't think the rank and file would know they were part of a rogue operation, and if they did, I don't know how brave they would be about telling the President about it, or even how they would go about telling the President.

If it's a situtation that's been okayed by a President in the past, then is not mentioned in Congress, there wouldn't be much opportunity to get it in front of the public.

I would say that if a President is clued in about such "off the radar" stuff, he's still left with what to do about it.

There may very well be rogue programs going on, conducted by rogue elements, that would be hard to dislodge, if they've been going on for years. I think lower ranks are told that of course the President knows about it. The upper ranks may be complicit, though not every commander of every airbase would have to be involved.

A President may be told there are certain programs going on, that for the sake of "national security" aren't run past Congress or the public. The nature and purpose of a program could be disguised by calling it something else.

The point I'm making is that it isn't a discardable idea that unacknowledged programs may have started years ago, and be hard to stop now, or even even find out the purpose of the programs. We don't have a unified government, and that probably didn't start with Bush/Cheney. I think there's plenty of turf-grabbing and skirmishes going on that aren't public.

For the record, I'm not aware of ever seeing chem-trails, but plenty of people (and not just at DU) think something's going on. Some think it may be an attempt at weather control, or an attempt at mitigating the effects of the thinning of the ozone layer. People speculate because there's so little actual open debate in Congress or the media.

Since I haven't personally seen chemtrails, I'm "agnostic" on the issue. One thing's for sure--I seldom take the government's word on much of anything. It's my "default" position--don't trust people in power. They've seldom got my interests at heart, and the interests they do have can be so harmful to the rest of us.



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anigbrowl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-08-08 02:39 PM
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18. You know, I've never seen any evidence to suggest there's a chemtrail program
All I've ever seen are pictures of contrails with assurances that these are somehow 'different'.
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jberryhill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-09-08 05:35 PM
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19. Neither have I

My question is directed to those who believe there is one, as I am curious to know why or why not the new administration would do something about it.
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truedelphi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-27-09 04:19 PM
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53. I don't know how anyone can clue him in
Edited on Fri Mar-27-09 04:20 PM by truedelphi
For instance, for many years, Lynn Woolsey was my Congress woman. She understood about the Stolen Election

I met with her the final week in December 2004) and she acknowledged that Kerry had not really lost the election. I can imagine her entertaining thoughts that perhaps 9/11 was a Black Op program.

But she is as scared as a bat out of the belfry when any of her constituents mention chemtrails. Why is that? Well, because if she acknowledged chemtrails, she would be considered "loony tunes." She'd be better off saying she has breakfast with the Space people and rides on their ships than saying that there are chemtrail programs.

Maybe if the German environmentalists win their lawsuit against the German government for its sponsorship of chemtrail programs, there will be some increased wiggle room on this. But most people who want to be considered "credible" do not want to shoot down their reputation.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-19-09 10:43 PM
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23. Unless he ever looks up at the sky . . . ????????????????
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Mist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-07-08 05:11 PM
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14. Probably don't know about it--there's plenty presidents aren't clued in on
until there's a need to know. IMO.
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Mist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-07-08 06:25 PM
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15. Sorry about the dupe. nt
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-18-09 02:25 PM
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92. Great point . . . plus, this is international --
If it is about "Weather Modification" is there any proof it's working . . .

And, what are the chemicals being used -- other than barium which seems to be confirmed?

And what effect are they having on public?

Who's profiting from this now? Is it still military operation or has it been farmed

out to private companies?

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SDuderstadt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-18-09 02:48 PM
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95. It's been farmed out to a committee of...
''anti-truthers'' right here in this forum. We have regular meetings to determine the frequency and intensity of the chem-trails. You are powerless to stop us, so don't even try or we'll double-dose you.

I am assuming the sarcasm thingy is not needed.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-19-09 10:42 PM
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22. There's Senate legislation on them -- a few years back . . .
supposedly "weather modification" but they didn't identify chemicals which

are a great concern.

Still very heavy in my area --

All of this started more than a decade ago -- Kucinich was big on following it --

and was international.

A few years ago they seem to have given it out to private sources ---

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SDuderstadt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-19-09 10:44 PM
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24. I have a question....
has anyone ever seen D & P post a source for her bullshit? No? I didn't think so. You should ask yourself why that is.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-19-09 10:54 PM
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25. The source is the Senate ---
ask Kucinich or ask your Senator --

the legislation has a final distinguishing letter attached to it

making it difficult to track.

This is old news.

Again -- it's "weather modificiation" -- supposedly an attempt to defy Global Warming.

Keep crops growing ---

Or, are you saying there are no chemtrails?????

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SDuderstadt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-19-09 11:09 PM
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26. Why can't YOU provide it, D & P?
Edited on Thu Mar-19-09 11:09 PM by SDuderstadt
Hint: because it doesn't exist. BTW, Senate "legislation" never has a final distinguishing letter attached to it, which you'd know if you actually knew anything at all about the legislative process. By now, most readers should have noticed that you never provide any evidence of your goofy assertions. When challenged for it, you immediately demand that the reader provide it or disprove it...of course, in Logic this is known as "shifting the burden of proof". It's YOUR assertion, D & P...YOU prove it, Quit making us liberals look bad, please.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-24-09 12:19 AM
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31. For anyone interested . . . I can't provide the link simply because I no longer have it . . .
Edited on Tue Mar-24-09 12:30 AM by defendandprotect
even when I had it, it was a difficult reference number to connect with.

It's unlike the usual numbers -- and has add-on to the end of the number.

Again . . . if you're interested, ask your Senator about it --

Kucinich worked on this in the very early stages trying to find out what the

chemicals being used were. I think he considers his work on this done now .

And, this is international -- been going on at least ten years.

Presumably now it has been turned over to private interests -- but I don't think

they confirmed that one way or another, either.

I was at the shore the other day - Saturday -- and there was a clear blue sky.

Coming home, stopping in Colts Neck, they had pretty much covered the sky with

Chemtrails which were expanding across the sky, wiping out the blue.

Coming home to central NJ, I found my hometown and neighboring town covered with

chemtrails -- and they were still going at it past 6pm.

Entire sky turned milky white by chemtrails.



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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-24-09 12:21 AM
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32. Actually, here's reference to the legislation . . .
-"To establish the Weather Modification Operations
and Research Board, and for other purposes."

-----------



http://www.skyhighway.com/~chemtrails/senate_bill_%20517.html
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OnTheOtherHand Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-24-09 05:59 AM
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33. it never reached the floor -- was never passed
http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z?d109:s.00517:

The Senate version did make it out of committee, but died on the calendar.

Probably what you mean about the trailing letter is that to track multiple versions of the bill language, versions of bills pending in Congress can be distinguished by trailing letters -- Thomas lists the original version as S.517.IS for "Introduced in Senate" and the committee version as S.517.RS for "reported in Senate" -- and eventually there may be an enrolled version ENR and a public print PP. There is nothing unusual about that, as you can see if you do a search query and look at the results. As SDuderstadt was saying, the bill is always called S517 (or by name).

There is also nothing unusual about the "and for other purposes" in the title, so not much point in italicizing it.

Is there something in the text of the bill that alarms you -- setting aside the fact that it didn't pass anyway?
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-24-09 02:16 PM
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37. Are you denying that Rep Kay Bailey Hutchinson introduced legislation on Chemtrails??
Edited on Tue Mar-24-09 02:37 PM by defendandprotect
Whatever . . . there was legislation . . . in the US Senate on Chemtrails.

This isn't the bill # that I had . . . and it was unique.

It was a much longer number, for one.

There is also nothing unusual about the "and for other purposes" in the title, so not much point in italicizing it.

Except that they are not specified . . .

However, this does confirm, as I've been saying, that Chemtrails are about "weather modification."

Is there something in the text of the bill that alarms you -- setting aside the fact that it didn't pass anyway?

Perhaps you missed the questioning of the very existence of Chemtrails in this thread?

This Act may be cited as the `Weather Modification Research and Technology Transfer Authorization Act of 2005'

Note this also "transfers" the operation ... presumably into private hands?

Which looks like it has happened.

Also confirms the goal is to "modify" the weather, specifically cloud formations.



PS: Needless to say, this is not the reference number I had . . . it was much longer.










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OnTheOtherHand Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-24-09 04:46 PM
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40. jeepers
Edited on Tue Mar-24-09 05:44 PM by OnTheOtherHand
Are you denying that Rep Kay Bailey Hutchinson introduced legislation on Chemtrails??

Thank you very much, I linked to the actual legislation -- although there is the small problem that it doesn't refer to Chemtrails. But if you mean weather modification, well, there it is. And by the way, her title is Senator; that's why it was a Senate bill. Yeesh.
This isn't the bill # that I had . . . and it was unique.

It was a much longer number, for one.

Oooooh! Could it be... another cover-up?!

Bills in Congress aren't assigned "much longer number(s)" than this one, although I suppose you could have almost any number.

Except that they are not specified . . .

Sure they are. You just have to read the bill.

Perhaps you missed the questioning of the very existence of Chemtrails in this thread?

Perhaps you missed the fact that Chemtrails aren't mentioned in the bill? (As for technology transfer, you might want to give that a closer look too.)

Are you suggesting that someone denied the existence of cloud seeding? I must have missed that. I get the impression that you don't pay very close attention to what people who attempt to communicate with you are saying (cf. the weird go-around about crop circles).

ETA: Oh, the colon got clipped from that link above. One can add it at the end, or this tinyurl should work: http://tinyurl.com/c8jy4a
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-24-09 10:58 PM
Response to Reply #40
41. creepers
Edited on Tue Mar-24-09 11:35 PM by defendandprotect
-------- "we wouldn't have blue skies anymore" -------------

Are you denying that Rep Kay Bailey Hutchinson introduced legislation on Chemtrails??

Thank you very much, I linked to the actual legislation -- although there is the small problem that it doesn't refer to Chemtrails. But if you mean weather modification, well, there it is. And by the way, her title is Senator; that's why it was a Senate bill. Yeesh.


Yes, I'm well aware that Hutchinson is a Senator -- and presume that if the legislation referred
to this activity as "chemtrails" it would be like referring to "Star Wars"
or acknowledging miltiarization of the skies.

The legislation was also introduced in the House by then Rep. Mark Udall/D-Colorado.
He and brother Tom/D-New Mexico are now both in the Senate.



This isn't the bill # that I had . . . and it was unique.

It was a much longer number, for one.


Oooooh! Could it be... another cover-up?!

Bills in Congress aren't assigned "much longer number(s)" than this one, although I suppose you could have almost any number.


Well, given that this is conspiracy-free America, I'm sure it's not a cover-up!
As I said, the number was "unique" -- that means . . . not as usual!


Except that they are not specified . . .

Sure they are. You just have to read the bill.


How do you know that ALL the purposes have been specified . . . including "national security" purposes --- ???

Additionally, I repeated the phrase as it is shown on the website -- in italics. Yeesh!!!

Now that the puerile stuff is out of the way ---

*************************

(4) WEATHER MODIFICATION- The term `weather modification' means changing or controlling, or attempting to change or control, by artificial methods the natural development of atmospheric cloud forms or precipitation forms which occur in the troposphere.

They may attempt to do this from a train, but I'm betting it's going to be planes!

Support Voiced For Geo-Engineering Research To Combat Global Warming

--injecting sulfate-based aerosols into the stratosphere as a sunlight-reflecting, cooling foil to global warming

--this time running several aerosol-producing scenarios through a simple atmospheric model. Adding just 5 million metric tons of sulfur dioxide annually to the stratosphere to produce sunlight-reflecting clouds or a light-scattering haze "would have a significant influence

--Constant aerosol production also could mean "we wouldn't have blue skies anymore," and it could reduce incoming solar radiation enough to hobble such imperatives as replacing fossil fuel with solar energy technologies

http://www.chemtrails911.com/docs/-%202006_june-december/Support%20Voiced%20For%20Geo-Engineering%20.html


Some of Rep. Dennis Kucinich's history with this legislation . . .

in which the term "chemtrails" was
completely removed from the text,

along with other important language,
so as to allow the chemical spraying to continue.


As head of the Armed Services oversight committee, Congressman Dennis Kucinich is acquainted with chemtrail projects. He introduced the Space Preservation Act 2001 to prohibit certain "space-based weapons" of the United States, including chemtrails. In Sec.7(2)(B)(ii) of the bill, it states "The terms `weapon' and `weapons system' mean a device capable of any of the following…" and "Such terms include exotic weapons systems such as…chemtrails".

Unfortunately, the bill was rejected as is and was extremely watered down into
the Space Preservation Act 2002 in which the term "chemtrails" was
completely removed from the text, along with other important language,
so as to allow the chemical spraying to continue.

http://www.chemtrails911.com/supporting_evidence.htm





The full involvement of foremost government agencies, research firms, universities and private corporations are detailed in this global 'geoengineering' study. Keep in mind that this was approved by and funded by Congress.

In Policy Implications of Greenhouse Warming: Mitigation, Adaptation, and the Science Bases conclusion, the N.A.S. found that the most effective global warming mitigation turned out to be the spraying of reflective aerosol compounds into the atmosphere utilizing commercial, military and private aircraft. This preferred mitigation method is designed to create a global atmospheric shield which would increase the planet's albedo (reflectivity) using aerosol compounds of aluminum and barium oxides, and to introduce ozone generating chemicals into the atmosphere.

This method was the most cost effective, and yielded the largest benefits. It could also be conducted covertly to avoid the burdens of environmental protection and regulatory entanglements.

It is evident to anyone who cares to look up, that this mitigation is now being conducted worldwide and on a daily basis. It is certain that our leaders have already embarked on an immense geoengineering project; one in which they expect millions of human fatalities, and consider these to be acceptable losses.

This landmark study; the widespread experimentation and published papers of atmospheric theorists and scientists, combined with the visual evidence that atmospheric mitigations are being conducted in our skies, clearly shows that Chemtrail spraying has became a preferred solution to global warming mitigation.

The evidence is all around us. For example; this past week Boeing Aircraft received an enormous initial order from the Pentagon for 100 Boeing 767 tanker planes, to begin replacing the Air Force's aging fleet of KC-135s, the most commonly seen chemtrail spray plane. The final order will exceed 500 planes. There has been no mention of the usage of these aircraft.

http://www.chemtrails911.com/docs/The%20Chemtrail%20Smoking%20Gun%20-%20Geoengineering.htm


PS: Also note the EXPERIMENTAL WEATHER MODIFICATION BILL

FAST TRACKING FOR PASSAGE IN U.S. SENATE & HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES

Trimethyl Aluminum (TMA) and barium are just two of the toxic chemicals used in recent atmospheric heating and testing programs according to NASA. The Alaska H.A.A.R.P. atmospheric heating program may have the capability of changing the Jet Stream which could also change our weather.


Global dimming and the persistent contrails, that produce man-made clouds, may have serious impacts on crop production. A recent corn crop study in Illinois shows that cloud cover reduces corn crop production while direct sunlight increases production. In addition, increasing man-made clouds may reduce the effectiveness of solar panels.









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OnTheOtherHand Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-25-09 03:43 AM
Response to Reply #41
42. a few things
If you know she's a senator, then why call her Rep? That's just wrong.

"presume that if the legislation referred to this activity as 'chemtrails' it would be like referring to 'Star Wars' or acknowledging miltiarization of the skies."

Your reasoning here and elsewhere seems perfectly circular: you think that everything the bill (which you don't appear to have read) says supports your point, and you think that everything it doesn't say also supports your point.

How do you know that ALL the purposes have been specified . . . including "national security" purposes --- ???

Additionally, I repeated the phrase as it is shown on the website -- in italics. Yeesh!!!

Now that the puerile stuff is out of the way ---

Not really, because the website you're relying on is "the puerile stuff." Otherwise it wouldn't have put this completely routine phrase in italics.

Even if you think that the government is using chemtrails, for purposes other than weather modification, that has nothing to do with the "purposes" of this particular (defunct) legislation. But if you don't get that, you won't get it.

Kucinich's bill attempted to regulate chemtrails as an exotic weapon; the bill went nowhere, originally or as reintroduced; that tells us precisely nothing about whether and how chemtrails actually are used. To say that the bill was modified, "so as to allow the chemical spraying to continue," is silly because the bill went nowhere -- so there was no need for anyone to modify it.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-26-09 12:31 AM
Response to Reply #42
45. Actually, I confess, I didn't know Hutchinson was a Senator . . .
Edited on Thu Mar-26-09 12:32 AM by defendandprotect
and I'm also guilty of thinking you are victim of circular thinking, as in . .

you think that everything the bill (which you don't appear to have read) says supports your point, and you think that everything it doesn't say also supports your point.

The legisltion is reported on the website. What is "puerile" about that?

Are you suggesting the legislation isn't real, isn't valid?


I would imagine that most of us are concerned with the militarization of space, by anyone.

Even if you think that the government is using chemtrails, for purposes other than weather modification, that has nothing to do with the "purposes" of this particular (defunct) legislation. But if you don't get that, you won't get it.

However, like the many others concerned with unintended consequences on crops, human beings, etc.

from chemicals falling from the sky, identifying the chemicals is a primary interest.

And I share your view . . . "If you don't get it, you won't get it."

And, again, this legislation was on "fast track" expected to pass.

The report I had suggested it did pass.

Meanwhile -- it's late, this is boring and you obviously have nothing to contribute to the

discussion.

Ta-ta --
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OnTheOtherHand Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-26-09 05:24 AM
Response to Reply #45
46. I'm suggesting that you learn how to research legislation
Seriously. If you want to talk about congressional legislation, you are much better off learning how to track it without relying on third parties to tell you what it says and what is happening to it.

I routinely use Thomas, http://thomas.loc.gov, because it is a congressional portal. Clicking on the "Search Multiple, Previous Congresses" link, I was able to look at the entire legislation and everything (not much) that happened to it in under a minute. Many people find http://www.govtrack.us more user-friendly.

I'm not sure what you are thinking when you ask me, "Are you suggesting the legislation isn't real, isn't valid?" What I've said about a couple of pieces of legislation now is that they came nowhere near passing. That isn't to say that they weren't "real." If you don't understand this difference, I'm happy to try to explain further.

And, again, this legislation was on "fast track" expected to pass.

The report I had suggested it did pass.

That's exactly the problem: you are unaccountably relying on inaccurate third-party information, when in a matter of seconds you could have found more reliable information for yourself, provided that you know where to look.

I don't really understand your reaction. Personally, I like learning things, and so I like learning about places where I can learn things. I can't imagine what it would be like to want to talk about things without learning about them.

Meanwhile -- it's late, this is boring and you obviously have nothing to contribute to the

discussion.

Many people do think that actually reading legislation is "boring," but if you want to talk about the legislation, it seems useful. If you can explain to me why it is useless to be able to learn about this legislation yourself, then I will concede that I have "nothing to contribute." Otherwise, it sounds like sour grapes, frankly.
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SidDithers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-26-09 12:05 PM
Response to Reply #41
47. ..


Sid
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Bolo Boffin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-26-09 12:46 PM
Response to Reply #47
48. "Gol darn it, Earl!"
"I thought you said you filled that damn tank up!"

"Didn't I, Cletus..."

"Hell, no! Look at it sputtering on empty behind us! Now we got to git back to the secret lab, fill up the damn tank, and spray our sector agin!"

"Cain't we just let it slide today?"

"Earl, you know what happened to the last crew that let the chemspray slide one day. You saw the pitchers, didn't ya?"

"Yes..."

"Christ. And the wife had tickets to Nascar tonight. Fuck you, Earl. Fuck you yesterday, already."
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SidDithers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-26-09 12:51 PM
Response to Reply #48
49. Earl & Cletus...heheeh....
:applause:

Sid
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OnTheOtherHand Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-26-09 12:53 PM
Response to Reply #47
50. OMG... they're used to deliver content, too?
Now I am deeply unnerved. Deeply.
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Bolo Boffin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-26-09 01:03 PM
Response to Reply #50
51. Ooh, I can just make it out, too.
Let's see

B-E-S-U-R-E-T-O-D-R-I-N-K-Y-O-U-R-O-V-A-L...

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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-26-09 02:36 PM
Response to Reply #47
52. Is that something that you saw personally?
If you had, you should watch longer as the puffs spread out and the line widens --
across the sky. In the background, you can see some of those puffs turning into
"clouds" and widening across the sky.

Eventually, the sky is more white than blue.

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SDuderstadt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-27-09 06:54 PM
Original message
And you can tell that they aren't simple contrails...
how, exactly?
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SDuderstadt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-27-09 06:54 PM
Response to Reply #52
54. And you can tell that they aren't simple contrails...
how, exactly?
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truedelphi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-01-09 07:20 PM
Response to Reply #37
59. Here is proof of an effort by Kucinich
Rep Kucinich Rewrites HR 2977 -
'Chemtrails' Disappear
By Lorie Kramer
seektress@ev1.net
1-27-2

The "Space Preservation Act of 2001" originally introduced in the House by Rep. Dennis Kucinich as HR 2977 has been re-written.

The new, revised bill, HR 3616, "Space Preservation Act of 2002" was introduced January 23, 2002.

Re-writing bills is a common enough practice as a bill goes through the legislative process. However, the differences between HR 2977 and HR 3616 are more than just a few tweaks here or there.

By its conspicuous appearance in 2977, the term 'chemtrails' received a form of credibiity within the official government process never seen before...producing the hope that one courageous Representative had finally had the fortitude to take the issue of chemtrails to a level of Congressional scrutiny long overdue.

Even though chemtrails are sprayed/deployed in the 2-6 mile high range, and not the 60 mile altitude stated in 2977, the simple fact of their inclusion in Kucinich's 2977 list of weapons systems was deemed a major breakthrough by tens of thousands of citizens and researchers across the country who have been monitoring and investigating the spraying going on in the skies of America for the past three years.

In Rep. Kucinich's revised new (some woud say 'emasculated') Bill, HR 3616, there is no longer any mentio whatever of:

* chemtrails,
* particle beams
* electromagnetic radiation
* plasmas
* extremely low frequency (ELF) or ultra low frequency (ULF) energy radiation
* or mind-control technologies

as weapons systems covered in the measure.

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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-02-09 10:57 AM
Response to Reply #59
61. Thank you . . . and, yes, Kucinich's bill had "chemtrails" removed . . .
and other items removed are no less interesting -- !!!

In Rep. Kucinich's revised new (some woud say 'emasculated') Bill, HR 3616, there is no longer any mentio whatever of:

* chemtrails,
* particle beams
* electromagnetic radiation
* plasmas
* extremely low frequency (ELF) or ultra low frequency (ULF) energy radiation
* or mind-control technologies

as weapons systems covered in the measure.


"Chemtrails" obviously have the potential to be used as a weapon, especially against one's own
citizens.

Up to this time, however, I think they have been used for "weather modification" -- i.e., vs
Global Warming -- in perhaps trying to protect crops?

HOWEVER, I would always be mindful of the reckless disregard for citizen's lives so often shown
by corrupt government. The chemicals being used are a continuing concern. And, since this
program -- whatever it is -- has been on-going all over the world over at least the past decade,
it would seem clear that American citizens are not alone in seeking information about it.

It's further astonishing -- and to the credit of those spreading disinformation -- that so few
Americans look up at the sky, even after the activity has been brought to their attention.
And how many will claim to not be able to see the difference between a chemtrail and a normal
contrail!

Looking at the balance of the list . . .

* particle beams
* electromagnetic radiation
* plasmas
* extremely low frequency (ELF) or ultra low frequency (ULF) energy radiation
* or mind-control technologies

Obviously, there is not we don't know!



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SDuderstadt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-24-09 09:13 AM
Response to Reply #31
34. I'm just curious....
how would you tell a "chemtrail" from a contrail?
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-24-09 02:31 PM
Response to Reply #34
38. First, you look up at the sky . . .
Edited on Tue Mar-24-09 02:31 PM by defendandprotect
then you notice that the sky is blue --

You also notice a group of planes working together making large white trails along the

sky -- sometimes crosshatching, but no longer a frequent method -- and spewing out

long white trail of dots or small squares which expand by length and width into

cloudlike formations. Working much of the day, they generally manage to cover the

entire sky as these formations continue to expand.

Looks like the estimated budget in 2005 was at least $10,000,000 per year!


Don't lose the link to the legislation, you may need a reminder again!!!



:rofl:
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SDuderstadt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-27-09 06:58 PM
Response to Reply #38
55. Fucking unbelievable.....
do you know how many commercial and private flights a day fly over the United states? Do you know how many flights are in the sky at any given time? Why does this seem inexplicable to you? Again, I ask...is there ANY conspiracy theory so goofy even YOU won't embrace it?
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AZCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-18-09 12:47 PM
Response to Reply #55
83. One of my favorite YouTube videos...
show precisely that. Flight Patterns, by Aaron Koblin. Pretty darn cool, if you ask me.
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snooper2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-24-09 09:41 AM
Response to Reply #31
36. :)
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:


even when I had it, it was a difficult reference number to connect with.

It's unlike the usual numbers -- and has add-on to the end of the number.


:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-24-09 02:34 PM
Response to Reply #36
39. And you're presuming that the three digit number is the one I had . . .
Edited on Tue Mar-24-09 02:35 PM by defendandprotect
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

... but I'm certainly flattered that you're reading my posts so carefully -- !!!

:evilgrin:
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truedelphi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-31-09 02:16 AM
Response to Reply #26
56. Kucinich had referred to "weather modification" and chemtrails
When he had his legislation proposed to ban weapons in space. Had to have been back in 2004 or '05.

There is little way to provide proof to people for things that happened more than a short while ago. Often I keep documents relating to something I think important, but then it becomes a matter of "Where inside the 42 banker boxes in the garage is the reference to this particluar legilsation" and I end up uncertainof where to begin to look.
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SDuderstadt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-31-09 11:01 AM
Response to Reply #56
57. How do you know that a covert operative has not...
Edited on Tue Mar-31-09 11:02 AM by SDuderstadt
gained access to the documents in those "42 banker boxes in the garage" and replaced them all with exact duplicates in look that actually say the OPPOSITE of what they originally said? Think about it.
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truedelphi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-01-09 04:11 PM
Response to Reply #57
58. I'm not sure they care, really.
Edited on Wed Apr-01-09 04:13 PM by truedelphi
Here is story off the google:

Rep Kucinich Rewrites HR 2977 -
'Chemtrails' Disappear
By Lorie Kramer
seektress@ev1.net
1-27-2002

The "Space Preservation Act of 2001" originally introduced in the House by Rep. Dennis Kucinich as HR 2977 has been re-written. The new, revised bill, HR 3616, "Space Preservation Act of 2002" was introduced January 23, 2002.

Re-writing bills is a common enough practice as a bill goes through the legislative process. However, the differences between HR 2977 and HR 3616 are more than just a few tweaks here or there.
By its conspicuous appearance in 2977, the term 'chemtrails' received a form of credibiity within the official government process never seen before...producing the hope that one courageous Representative had finally had the fortitude to take the issue of chemtrails to a level of Congressional scrutiny long overdue.

Even though chemtrails are sprayed/deployed in the 2-6 mile high range, and not the 60 mile altitude stated in 2977, the simple fact of their inclusion in Kucinich's 2977 list of weapons systems was deemed a major breakthrough by tens of thousands of citizens and researchers across the country who have been monitoring and investigating the spraying going on in the skies of America for the past three years.

In Rep. Kucinich's revised new (some woud say 'emasculated') Bill, HR 3616, there is no longer any mentio whatever of:

* chemtrails,
* particle beams
* electromagnetic radiation
* plasmas
* extremely low frequency (ELF) or ultra low frequency (ULF) energy radiation
* or mind-control technologies

as weapons systems covered in the measure.

In fact, 'Exotic Weapons' - as boldly-stated in HR 2977 - are not even mentioned in HR 3616. So, what happened here? Did someone have a 'friendly chat' with Rep. Kucinich? Did the Congressman inhale a bit too much aluminum during his morning job? Did he look up one day and find himself standing under a big 'X' and feel his knees get a little wobbly?

As stated in Kucinich's first version of his "Space Preservation Act of 2001" -

"The term 'exotic weapons systems' includes weapons designed to damage space or natural ecosystems (such as the ionosphere and upper atmosphere) or climate, weather, and tectonic systems with the purpose of inducing damage or destruction upon a target population or region on earth or in space."

Apparently Rep. Kucinich is no longer concerned about the effects of the testing and use of exotic weapons systems on natural ecosystems and living organisms on the planet.

Although chemtrails are no longer stated as a weapons system, or even mentioned in HR3616, the question of the components of the RFMP / VTRPE warfare system is raised.

HR 3616 states -

"To preserve the cooperative, peaceful uses of space for the benefit of all humankind by prohibiting the basing of weapons in space and the use of weapons to destroy or damage objects in space that are in orbit, and for other purposes."

The intent of this passage remains fuzzy. Example: Are Imaging satellites used with the RFMP / VTRPE system broadly defined as part of a weapons system ?

HR 3616 further states -

"The terms 'space-based weapon' and 'space-based system' mean a device capable of damaging or destroying an object or person by directing a source of energy against that object or person."

The word "directing" is clearly the key. Strictly speaking, the RFMP system does, by imaging, provide information to direct a source of energy against that particular object or person

HR3616 also says -

"4) civil, commercial, or defense activities (including communications, navigation, surveillance, reconnaissance, early warning, or remote sensing) that are not related to space-based weapons or systems."

They could say the RFMP is not a weapon - it does not "fire a bullet," but it is part of a weapons system. There are clearly serious issues of definition in Kucinich's new Bill. It is conceivable that the RFMP / VTRPE weapons system may fall in the area covered by HR3616.

It remains a mystery as to how the word 'chemtrails' appeared in HR 2977 to begin with. Investigation into that point is ongoing. Who actually is authoring the text of these bills? Why such an emphasis on "exotic weapons" in HR 2977 but then nothing mentioned about them in HR 3616?

My call to Rep. Kucinich's Washington office last week was brief. I was told there had been "quite a few" calls regarding HR 2977. I was then told my questions should be directed to the person on the congressman's staff who handled that bill. I was then transfered to that person and received...big surprise...their voice mail service. I left a message with my contact information. No reply has been received to date. I will place a follow-up call again this week. We suggest others do the same.

Even though the term 'chemtrails' has been removed from the revised bill, efforts to continue to educate and alert others about the chemtrail issue go on. Many thanks to those who have taken the time to contact their Congressional Representatives, keep it up.

We still know what we see. We still didn't consent. We still want it stopped.

Lorie Kramer Chem Trail Tracking USA

___

Space Preservation Act of 2002
(Introduced in the House)
HR 3616 IH
107th CONGRESS
2nd Session
H.R. 3616

To preserve the cooperative, peaceful uses of space for the benefit of all humankind by prohibiting the basing of weapons in space and the use of weapons to destroy or damage objects in space that are in orbit, and for other purposes.

IN THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES
January 23, 2002

Mr. KUCINICH introduced the following bill; which was referred to the Committee on Science, and in addition to the Committees on Armed Services, and International Relations, for a period to be subsequently determined by the Speaker, in each case for consideration of such provisions as fall within the jurisdiction of the committee concerned

A BILL

To preserve the cooperative, peaceful uses of space for the benefit of all humankind by prohibiting the basing of weapons in space and the use of weapons to destroy or damage objects in space that are in orbit, and for other purposes.

Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled,

SECTION 1. SHORT TITLE.

This Act may be cited as the 'Space Preservation Act of 2002'.

SEC. 2. REAFFIRMATION OF POLICY ON THE PRESERVATION OF PEACE IN SPACE.

Congress reaffirms the policy expressed in section 102(a) of the National Aeronautics and Space Act of 1958 (42 U.S.C. 2451(a)), stating that it `is the policy of the United States that activities in space should be devoted to peaceful purposes for the benefit of all mankind.'.

SEC. 3. BAN ON BASING OF WEAPONS IN SPACE AND THE USE OF WEAPONS AGAINST OBJECTS IN SPACE IN ORBIT.

The President shall-- (1) implement a ban on space-based weapons of the United States and the use of weapons of the United States to destroy or damage objects in space that are in orbit; and (2) immediately order the termination of research and development, testing, manufacturing, production, and deployment of all space-based weapons of the United States.

SEC. 4. INTERNATIONAL TREATY BANNING SPACE-BASED WEAPONS AND THE USE OF WEAPONS AGAINST OBJECTS IN SPACE IN ORBIT.

The President shall direct the United States representatives to the United Nations and other international organizations to immediately work toward negotiating, adopting, and implementing an international treaty banning space-based weapons and the use of weapons to destroy or damage objects in space that are in orbit.

SEC. 5. REPORT.

The President shall submit to Congress not later than 90 days after the date of the enactment of this Act, and every 6 months thereafter, a report on--
(1) the implementation of the ban on space-based weapons and the use of weapons to destroy or damage objects in space that are in orbit required by section 3; and
(2) progress toward negotiating, adopting, and implementing the treaty described in section 4.

SEC. 6. SPACE-BASED NONWEAPONS ACTIVITIES.

Nothing in this Act may be construed as prohibiting the use of funds for--
(1) space exploration;
(2) space research and development;
(3) testing, manufacturing, or production that is not related to space-based weapons or systems; or
(4) civil, commercial, or defense activities (including communications, navigation, surveillance, reconnaissance, early warning, or remote sensing) that are not related to space-based weapons or systems.

SEC. 7. DEFINITIONS.

In this Act:
(1) The term 'space' means all space extending upward from an altitude greater than 60 kilometers above the surface of the earth and any celestial body in such space.
(2) The terms `space-based weapon' and `space-based system' mean a device capable of damaging or destroying an object or person (whether in outer space, in the atmosphere, or on earth) by--

(A) firing one or more projectiles to collide with that object or person;
(B) detonating one or more explosive devices in close proximity to that object or person;
(C) directing a source of energy against that object or person; or
(D) any other undeveloped means.




Comment

From Carol Rosin
rosin@west.net
1-28-2

Perhaps I can help correct some fuzzy infomration that is being spread about H.R.3616, the Space Preservation Act of 2002, and Congressman Dennis Kucinich.

This bill will only ban space-based weapons and the use of weapons to destroy or damage objects in space that are in orbit. It is NOT a bill to ban chemtrails and/or psychotronics or mind control devises or any specific weapons listed in the category of definitions in the original bill.

I'm not sure where that rumor started, but in any case, those definitional were only listed on the original bill for definitional purposes...to exemplify what space-based weapons might be deployed in space if the space-based weapons bill isn't passed. Frequently bills are revised, and things like definitions are removed. No big deal. The legislation is in no way compromised. This Congressman and his legislation maintain their integrity and commitment to ban spae-based weapons. It was never a bill to ban chemtrails or mind control technologies.

Congressman Dennis Kucinich is champion of the progressive issues. He sane man, has integrity, courageous, he is spiritually aware. We are lucky to have legislation to ban space-based weapons introduced in the current atmosphere buy this statesman.

President Bush will break the ABMTreaty in June. Then he can deploy space-based weapons under the guise of it being "MERELY testing." This administration has announcemd commitment to "doiinate and control" earth and space. I don't think some want that to happen.

People and organizations are connecting in what could become the fastest growing movement in history...to ban ALL space-based weapons and the use of weapons to destroy or damge objects in spce that re in orbit.

This bill does not prohibit space exploration, space research and development, etc., of a non space-based weapons nature. It does prohibit firing one or more projectiles to collide withtht object of person, detonating one of more explosive devices in close proximity to that object or person, directing a source of energy against that object or person, or any other means. And it allows for the civil, commercial or defense activities (including communications, navigation, surveillance, reconnaissance, early warning, or remote sensing) that are NOT related to space-based weapons or systems.

There is a compatible World Treaty Banning Space-based Weapons being circulated that calls for a world space peacekeeping agency to monitor and enforce the ban.

The Plan of Action will be announced in mid-February.

Hundreds of groups have already signed on to support the Kucinich legislation, and people are networking worldwide in solidarity about this who have different perspectives and issues but who know that we only have one chance in time to get this national and world law passed to ban space-based weapons.

Congressman Kucniich deserves our appreciation and support. A Senator will introduce soon, as will a nation-state leader.

Go to www.peaceinspace.com to find out more.

Thank you.

Carol Rosin President,
Institute for Cooperation in Space
rosin@west.net
805-641-1999




Comment

From Bea Bernhausen
beabernhausen@yahoo.com
1-29-2

What people picking apart Bills HR2977 and HR3616 don't seem to understand, is that although the latter has been changed in scope---it is still way ahead of "nothing" which is what we had before, not to mention that Bill HR2977 brought chemtrails and mind control to the attention of thousands of people who had never heard of them before, as well as revitalizing a sagging chemtrail community. Wouldn't it be far more beneficial to thank Congressman Kucinich, stand behind him, give Bill HR3616 positve energy---and demand it's passage?

We pay lipservice to the technology that will be deployed once the ABM Treaty becomes null--but it's as if it was merely an intellectual exercise instead of the reality it is. We pass around the horror stories of what these weapons can achieve as if they were mere concepts rather than facts. We talk of the US government/shadow government agenda of world wide domination---as laid out in Vision 2020, (which the last time I checked---has mysteriously disappeared from the US government website at <www.spacecom.af.mil/usspace, but can still be found at <www.ploughshares.ca--though only by a circuitous route)---as if it was happening on some other planet.

As we know, chemtrails are only one step towards this agenda. Chemtrails are not likely to stop by our trying to find fault with this Bill---in fact quite the opposite. The ABM Treaty will be terminated in June. Once deployment of space based weapons begins,(legally) without any accountability whatsoever, it will be unstoppable. The technology available today means without a doubt complete control of our minds, hearts--in fact our very being. We must comprehend this reality. While we fiddle, Rome burns and the AGENDA marches on. We would be far wiser to grant this proposal all our support---while we still can. While we still even know we can.

But that's not all. The force we build by standing together, moving in a positive direction can and will spill over to all other areas. We can build a momentum which will change the tide, change the negative thinking now predominant on this planet. Technology is a double edged sword. It's possible uses for healing are as great as they are for destroying. We are at the last threshold; the choice is up to us. Why not take a chance--for once join forces and stand unified behind this plan, along with the hundreds of organizations that are already doing so.

Unless of course somebody has a better idea...

Thank You Bea Bernhausen

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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-02-09 11:28 AM
Response to Reply #58
62. Despite Kucinich's courage his legislation may have suffered censorship
Edited on Thu Apr-02-09 11:28 AM by defendandprotect

due to "national security" claims as so often happens --

But the fact that it did happen should wake up some here.

I have no doubt that someone had a "friendly chat" with Kucinich --

In fact, even those interested in "Crop Circles" have had "friendly chats" with our CIA,
for instance -- in the case of Colin Andrews, he was offered a million to become a denier.
Andrews refused, however, the "chat" seems to have included some threats, as well.
Andrews reported all of this openly and quite courageously.

We should also recall as far as militarization of the skies . . . PNAC is a big backer of
"Star Wars" -- and LBJ in the late 1950's was talking about the moon as "the highest hill" --

President John Kennedy was also involved in stopping Werner Von Braun/NASA plans to use
nuclear fuel for rockets!

And sometime in the 1960's, we were exploding nuclear weapons in space -- evidently trying
to destroy to Van Allen Radiation Belts -- !!!

Also re NASA, as I recall their mission was changed by Bush -- and it now excludes them
from concerns re our own planet! NASA used to bring us regular info on the Ozone Hole and
the condition of our planet. Reagan administration stopped the reporting on the Ozone Hole.
NASA has also been privatized over quite some long period of time.

Sadly, America's research has most often been used to create weapons rather than peace.

Rep. Dennis Kucinich is an honorable and courageous man trying to protect us from those who
would in their greed and lust for power destroy our own planet and the outer world.

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truedelphi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-02-09 01:02 PM
Response to Reply #62
63. totally off the record, but the big bad video with its claims of sin
Edited on Thu Apr-02-09 01:02 PM by truedelphi
And evil by the Empire Monsanto has film of Canadian government regulatory people stating before Parliament of how they were being offered a million to come over to Monsanto's side.

Monsanto tried to tell the Canadian Parliament that they were not bribing members of the Canadian government - they were merely offering some monies for research.

If you google "Monsanto + Quebec + You Tube," you should be able tofind it
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-02-09 02:27 PM
Response to Reply #63
65. That's why great wealth is a pollutant in our society . . .
Edited on Thu Apr-02-09 02:28 PM by defendandprotect
I remember when one of the former communist rulers was forced out --
His name was something like "Chau-chess-ew" -- at any rate, he was
being held in some simple prison in the early stages and offered the
guard huge wealth if he would let him go -- he didn't!
How grateful the world has to be to people like this -- !!!

I had heard long ago that Monsanto people were offering bribes to Canadian
farmers over the border re the bovine growth hormone or maybe their suicide seed.
Evidently, they then went directly to bribing government!

In America, it seems to have worked -- !!! Didn't Obama just appoint a
Monsanto exec to the FDA! For years they've been calling it "Monsanto's FDA"...!

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MercutioATC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-02-09 01:56 PM
Response to Reply #22
64. You DO realize that, aside from very limited test programs, it's just water vapor...right?
Has the government ever tested cloud seeding? I'm sure they have.

However, if you look up what you're seeing is water vapor or ice crystals and some burned petrochemical residue...not "chemicals".
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-02-09 02:30 PM
Response to Reply #64
66. Try looking up some time and actually watching . . .
this is not water vapor nor cloud seeding.

This is an attempt to create cloud cover -- it is officially "weather modification."

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SDuderstadt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-02-09 02:37 PM
Response to Reply #66
68. Tell me something, D&P....
you can tell they aren't contrails or vspor trails how, exactly?
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SidDithers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-02-09 02:55 PM
Response to Reply #66
69. ...


Sid
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-02-09 03:39 PM
Response to Reply #69
71. Excellent example of the first laying out, with the first broadening, the next . . .
Edited on Thu Apr-02-09 03:40 PM by defendandprotect
and in the background the older ones having spread out . . . quite considerably!

The last two years or so they've really improved it overall to look more like clouds.

And, usually no cross-hatching any more, except recently I've seen some looking like a

large kiss/X in the sky --
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MercutioATC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-02-09 03:10 PM
Response to Reply #66
70. I'm an air traffic controller. I KNOW what the planes up there are doing.
They're carrying people and boxes from point A to point B.

Question: If there are planes spraying something, how do they operate without air traffic control knowing about it?
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-02-09 03:42 PM
Response to Reply #70
72. Remember air traffic control on 9/11 . . .??? NORAD didn't seem to know what was going on --!!!
Nonetheless . . . I'm impressed!!

And, if these planes are carrying people, they must be quite dizzy from flying

up into the sky repeatedly, back and forth across the same patch of sky!!

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MercutioATC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-02-09 04:03 PM
Response to Reply #72
73. Never mind.
I promised myself (after giving up on the 911 conspiracy theorists) that I'd stop trying to educate the insane.

Just so you know, what you're claiming is impossible...and those aren't the same planes leaving those contrails...and I know that regardless of how I show you that your belief in "chemtrails" isn't supported by any reliable data, you won't listen.

...but if your dog starts telling you to do bad things, you might want to seek some professional advice.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-03-09 12:00 AM
Response to Reply #73
74. Evidently you've also missed the official legislation filed in Senate and USHR . . .
by Rep. Dennis Kucinich and Sen. from California/R whose name I can't recall at
this moment --

regardless of how I show you that your belief in "chemtrails" isn't supported by any reliable data, you won't listen.

OK -- we "insane" bow to your wisdom . . .

bye --


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SDuderstadt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-03-09 08:32 AM
Response to Reply #72
75. apparently d&p believes that...
norad and air traffic control are the same thing. why anyone would take this poster seriously is beyond me.
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Grateful for Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-25-09 05:45 PM
Response to Original message
44. I don't know.
What do you think?
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spooked911 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-01-09 11:11 PM
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60. No
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-02-09 02:31 PM
Response to Reply #60
67. ...and this thing has been international for at least a decade ---
all over the states and internationally --
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jakeXT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-10-09 08:58 AM
Response to Original message
76. Looks like all options are on the table
Edited on Fri Apr-10-09 08:58 AM by jakeXT
AP Newsbreak: Obama looks at climate engineering

By SETH BORENSTEIN – 1 day ago

WASHINGTON (AP) — The president's new science adviser said Wednesday that global warming is so dire, the Obama administration is discussing radical technologies to cool Earth's air.

John Holdren told The Associated Press in his first interview since being confirmed last month that the idea of geoengineering the climate is being discussed. One such extreme option includes shooting pollution particles into the upper atmosphere to reflect the sun's rays. Holdren said such an experimental measure would only be used as a last resort.

"It's got to be looked at," he said. "We don't have the luxury of taking any approach off the table."




more at http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5hm1kMpA2nQALOfQL8Y8PxxTHNVtgD97ECHLG1
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-16-09 11:07 PM
Response to Original message
77. They were going nuts with Chemtrails in NJ today -- I think we were
well up into the 60's today . . . !!! 71 tomorrow . . . ?
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SDuderstadt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-16-09 11:18 PM
Response to Reply #77
78. I'll ask agan, D & P...
is there ANY conspiracy theory so goofy that even YOU won't embrace it? I'm still waiting for you to explain how someone can distinguish a "chemtrail" from an ordinary contrail from the ground.
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Subdivisions Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-18-09 02:59 PM
Response to Reply #78
96. deleted. n/t
Edited on Thu Jun-18-09 02:59 PM by Subdivisions
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jberryhill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-17-09 08:05 AM
Response to Reply #77
80. They weren't the only ones "going nuts with Chemtrails in NJ" apparently

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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-17-09 10:46 PM
Response to Reply #80
81. Look up and try to . . .
wake up.

If you were in Central NJ today you saw Chemtrails all over the Colts Neck and

Matawan areas, especially.

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SDuderstadt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-18-09 12:59 AM
Response to Reply #81
82. you need to educate yourself about contrails...
you're getting hysterical over simple contrails. your bullshit is embarrassing.
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spooked911 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-23-09 07:01 AM
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84. real chemtrails in the news
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Realityhack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-23-09 07:04 AM
Response to Reply #84
85. Old and very very stupid. n/t
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spooked911 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-25-09 06:35 AM
Response to Reply #85
87. why is it "very very stupid"?
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Marksbrother Donating Member (653 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-18-09 02:44 PM
Response to Reply #84
93. Must be accurate, because it's been deleted


Why does youtube do that kind of thing? Who are they beholden to?
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Realityhack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-23-09 07:36 AM
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86. maybe he should start one so he can stop it. n/t
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jules4truth Donating Member (24 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-25-09 10:51 AM
Response to Original message
88. Trying to be respectful
Edited on Sat Apr-25-09 11:19 AM by jules4truth
It's really difficult to address this topic for me without sounding condescending as I have seen absolutely NO solid evidence that airplane contrails contain anything other than water vapor. I also notice that a similar thread was locked in the Science forum for being a "kooky" subject. That's reasonable to me.

The problem is not being interested in this subject or other kinds of fringe speculation. The problem is not really assuming that those interested really know how things are proved. In other words, if you think that contrails are chemtrails, do you have any solid evidence. And that begs the question of whether or not you know what constitutes solid evidence.

Seeing contrails in the sky does not because the issue isn't whether or not you live under a high traffic flight path, the issue is the contents of the contrails. And to my knowledge no one has been able to follow any of these planes and collect a direct sample of the trails.

Also, contrails have existed since planes began to fly at high speed. They are more or less likely to form based on whether conditions, showing up on some days and not on others.

Heres a quote from the wikipedia entry on contrails:

"The main products of hydrocarbon fuel combustion are carbon dioxide and water vapor. At high altitudes this water vapour emerges into a cold environment, and the local increase in water vapour can push the water content of the air past saturation point. The vapour then condenses into tiny water droplets and/or deposits into ice. These millions of tiny water droplets and/or ice crystals form the vapour trail or contrails."

I'm not telling anyone not be curious. But I do want people to care about the difference between fact and speculation.

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AZCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-25-09 10:54 AM
Response to Reply #88
89. The OP was satire.
The last line of your post, unfortunately, will fall on deaf ears.
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SDuderstadt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-25-09 11:02 AM
Response to Reply #89
90. unfortunately, even though defendandprotect's posts...
read like satire, they aren't. she actually believes this shit. i predict an imminent collision between d&p and jules. unfortunately, i doubt that jules can talk any sense into her.
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Marksbrother Donating Member (653 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-18-09 02:46 PM
Response to Reply #90
94. Are you proud that you can post such insults so blithely?


Your posts must be teflon-coated.
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SDuderstadt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-18-09 03:08 PM
Response to Reply #94
97. Yes...
n/t.
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jakeXT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-17-09 01:05 PM
Response to Original message
91. It's Time to Cool the Planet WSJ
Edited on Wed Jun-17-09 01:05 PM by jakeXT
By JAMAIS CASCIO

If we’re going to avoid climate disaster, we’re going to have start getting a lot more direct. We’re going to have to think about cooling the planet.

The concept is called geoengineering, and in the past few years, it has gone from being dismissed as a fringe idea to the subject of intense debates in the halls of power. Many of us who have been watching this subject closely have gone from being skeptics to advocates. Very reluctant advocates, to be sure, but advocates nonetheless.

..

To be clear, geoengineering won’t solve global warming. It’s not a “techno-fix.” It would be enormously risky and almost certainly lead to troubling unforeseen consequences. And without a doubt, the deployment of geoengineering would lead to international tension. Who decides what the ideal temperature would be? Russia? India? The U.S.? Who’s to blame if Country A’s geoengineering efforts cause a drought in Country B?

...


Two approaches hold the most promise: injecting tons of sulfates—essentially solid particles of sulfur dioxide—into the stratosphere, and pumping seawater into the lower atmosphere to create clouds. A recent report in the journal Atmospheric Physics and Chemistry Discussions identified these two approaches as having a high likelihood of being able to counter global temperature increases, and to do so in a reasonably short amount of time.

...

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970204771304574181522575503150.html
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Subdivisions Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-18-09 03:09 PM
Response to Reply #91
98. Funny how you chemtrail deniers have avoided this post from 26 hours ago:
Edited on Thu Jun-18-09 03:47 PM by Subdivisions
From the article:

...

Two approaches hold the most promise: injecting tons of sulfates—essentially solid particles of sulfur dioxide—into the stratosphere, and pumping seawater into the lower atmosphere to create clouds. A recent report in the journal Atmospheric Physics and Chemistry Discussions identified these two approaches as having a high likelihood of being able to counter global temperature increases, and to do so in a reasonably short amount of time.

The sulfate-injection plan, which has received the most study, is explicitly modeled on the effects of massive volcanic eruptions, such as Mount Pinatubo in the Philippines; in the months after the 1991 eruption, global temperatures dropped by half a degree Celsius.

To trigger a drop in global temperatures, we’d need to loft between two million and 10 million tons of sulfur dioxide (which combines with oxygen to form sulfate particles) into the lower stratosphere, or at about 33,000 feet. The tiny particles suspended in the atmosphere act like a haze, reflecting a significant amount of sunlight—though not enough to notice at ground level (except for some superb sunsets).

While this seems like a large amount, several studies have shown it could be done using some combination of high-altitude balloons, dispersal in JET-AIRCRAFT EXHAUST, and even more exotic platforms such as artillery shells. As with volcanic sulfates, the particles would eventually cycle out of the atmosphere, so we’d have to refresh that two to 10 megatons of sulfur dioxide roughly every year.

...



How can anyone say definitively that chemtrails are tin foil when studies are being done to do just that? How do you suppose those studies were conducted? How do you study the effect of sulfates in the stratosphere unless you go up there and squirt some? Yet, some people still want to be dicks. Gee, what do you suppose happens when sulphur dioxide particulates are dispersed by JET-AIRCRAFT EXHAUST? A goddamned fucking CHEMTRAIL, that's what!

Sulfur Dioxide



http://www.gasdetection.com/TECH/so2.html



Human Toxicity Excerpts:

SEVERE INJURIES OF HUMAN EYES BY SULFUR DIOXIDE HAVE BEEN PRODUCED ONLY BY LIQUIFIED FORM. ... IMMEDIATELY AFTER THE EYE HAS BEEN SPRAYED ... THE CORNEAL EPITHELIUM BECOMES GRAY & IRREGULAR, BUT REMAINS ADHERENT TO STROMA ... SEVERAL HR LATER LIDS BECOME SWOLLEN. CONJUNCTIVAL EPITHELIUM APPEARS WHITE & RATHER OPAQUE. VESSELS ... MAY BE ... THROMBOSED.
**PEER REVIEWED**


A PERIOD OF ... EXPOSURE OF OVER 2 YR TO VARIABLE CONCN ON THE ORDER OF 30 PPM WITH OCCASIONAL PEAKS OF UP TO 100 PPM ... PRODUCED ... AN ALTERATION OF SENSES OF SMELL & TASTE, HIGH URINARY ACIDITY, & INCREASED FATIGUE.
**PEER REVIEWED**


... DESTRUCTION OF PROTECTIVE CILIATED EPITHELIUM, & INVASION OF LUNG BY BACTERIA ARE CONQUENCES OF ACUTE SULFUR DIOXIDE POISONING.
**PEER REVIEWED**


INHALATION PRODUCES ALL GRADES OF RESPIRATORY TRACT IRRITATION SOMETIMES WITH PULMONARY EDEMA. VAPOR CONCN PROBABLY DETERMINES MODE OF DEATH: EG, SUFFOCATION FROM REFLEX RESP ARREST (VERY HIGH CONCN), PULMONARY EDEMA (MODERATE CONCN), OR SYSTEMIC ACIDOSIS (LOW CONCN). THERE IS SOME INDICATION OF SIGNIFICANT VARIATION IN INDIVIDUAL SUSCEPTIBILITY.
**PEER REVIEWED**


WITH ACUTE EXPOSURE, 5 PPM CAUSES DRYNESS OF NOSE & THROAT AND A MEASUREABLE INCR IN RESISTANCE TO BRONCHIAL AIR FLOW; 6 TO 8 PPM CAUSES A DECR IN TIDAL RESP VOLUME. SNEEZING, COUGH & EYE IRRITATION OCCUR AT 10 PPM; 20 PPM CAUSED BRONCHOSPASM; 50 PPM CAUSES EXTREME DISCOMFORT BUT NO INJURY IN LESS THAN A 30-MIN EXPOSURE ... 1000 PPM CAUSES DEATH IN FROM 10 MIN TO SEVERAL HR BY RESP DEPRESSION.
**PEER REVIEWED**


EXPOSURE TO HIGH CONCN CAUSE REFLEX CLOSURE OF GLOTTIS FOR SEVERAL MINUTES. ... PERSONS SUBJECT TO ASTHMATIC ATTACKS WILL EXPERIENCE ASTHMATIC PAROXYSM WHICH MAY PERSIST FOR SEVERAL DAYS FOLLOWING EXPOSURE.
**PEER REVIEWED**


IN THE MORE ADVANCED STAGES, ... DILATION OF BLOOD VESSELS IN CERTAIN REGIONS. ULCERATION OF NASAL SEPTUM, WHICH BLEEDS READILY, MAY ... BE OBSERVED.
**PEER REVIEWED**


THERE MAY ALSO BE THORACIC PAIN & STRICTION, DYSPNEA, LACRIMATION ... BURNING SENSATION & PAIN IN ESOPHAGUS & STOMACH, NAUSEA & (ALTHOUGH RARELY) VOMITING.
**PEER REVIEWED**


INHIBITION OF THYROID FUNCTION & IN WOMEN, MENSTRUAL DISORDERS ... .
**PEER REVIEWED**


PERSONS WHO HAVE A LONG HISTORY OF EXPOSURE TO HIGH CONCN OF SULFUR DIOXIDE MAY SUFFER FROM CHRONIC BRONCHITIS ACCOMPANIED BY EMPHYSEMA. ... NERVOUS SYSTEM DISORDERS ARE OF A FUNCTIONAL NATURE-NEUROTIC & VEGETO-ASTHENIC-PROBABLY DUE TO THE GENERAL TOXICITY OF SULFUR DIOXIDE ON THE BODY. STOMATOLOGICAL EXAM MAY REVEAL DENTAL CARIES, & PERIDONTAL & GINGIVAL DISORDERS. PATIENTS MAY COMPLAIN OF RAPID & PAINLESS DENTAL DESTRUCTION, LOSS OF FILLINGS, & INCR TOOTH SENSITIVITY TO TEMP CHANGES.
**PEER REVIEWED**


DUE TO ITS HIGH SOLUBILITY, SULFUR DIOXIDE IS RAPIDLY DISTRIBUTED THROUGHOUT THE BODY, PRODUCING METABOLIC ACIDOSIS WITH A REDUCTION IN BLOOD ALKALI RESERVE & COMPENSATORY ELIMINATION OF AMMONIA IN URINE & ALKALI IN SALIVA. THE GENERAL TOXIC ACTION IS DEMONSTRATED BY PROTEIN & CARBOHYDRATE METABOLISM DISORDERS. IT IS PROBABLE THAT THE ABSORPTION OF LARGE QUANTITIES ... HAS A PATHOLOGICAL EFFECT ON HEMOPOIETIC SYSTEM AND MAY PRODUCE METHEMOGLOBIN.
**PEER REVIEWED**



Personally, I've had chronic bronchitis for four months now for no damn good reason. I've never ridden the chemtrail bandwagon, have been agnostic about it. But, fuck! What am I supposed to think when there have been studies?
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jakeXT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-18-09 03:42 PM
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99. If you believe in global warming or not, but to replace it with acid rain doesn't seem to be a good

idea to me.



Sulfur dioxide emissions from the burning of coal and oil react with water and oxygen in the air to form sulfate aerosols; acidic compounds that fall to the Earth in the form of acid rain.

Global warming and acid rain are two environmental problems the world will be forced to reckon with in the 21st century. Unfortunately, efforts to mitigate acid rain may actually increase regional warming, according to a university professor.

"It is ironic, in a sense, that in working to solve one environmental problem you exacerbate another problem", said Michael Schlesinger, a professor of atmospheric sciences at the University of Illinois, Urbana-Champaign.

http://healthandenergy.com/sulfur_dioxide.htm
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KDLarsen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-18-09 03:58 PM
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100. Because they're just that, studies.
Cloud seeding is old as hell and has been tried out since the 1940's anyway, so why not spazz out over that?
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Subdivisions Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-18-09 04:14 PM
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101. So this
article http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970204771304574181522575503150.html is just a bunch of BS then?

How do you suppose these studies were conducted?
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KDLarsen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-20-09 06:36 AM
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102. The article explains it
Edited on Sat Jun-20-09 06:36 AM by KDLarsen
The sulfate-injection plan, which has received the most study, is explicitly modeled on the effects of massive volcanic eruptions, such as Mount Pinatubo in the Philippines; in the months after the 1991 eruption, global temperatures dropped by half a degree Celsius.

Sounds to me like they took the data from volcanic eruptions and used that to calculate the effects of cloud-seeding.
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