so do we get an oops from the *marshall Law* folks?

[backwoodsbob]

[William Seger]

1. "What we have here..."

"... is failure to prognosticate."

[backwoodsbob]

2. rofl

[KDLarsen]

3. Don't be silly

That is not how the Twoof Movement works!

[LARED]

4. Do you really think Obama is in charge?

Everyone knows the neo-conservatives are only letting him think he's in charge. "They" really run the world, do you really think a simple thing like an election will stop their evil plans.


WAKE-UP

In case you didn't know this is :sarcasm:

[frylock]

5. marshall law?

[backwoodsbob]

8. it's a play on words

someone posted a few months ago about how he had all the inside info on how Bush was going to declare *marshall* law and we were all fools.

[procopia]

6. We're all happy to be wrong about that

It wasn't an irrational fear.

[Bolo Boffin]

7. Hmmm.

Next, we're going to work on that cotton ball problem of yours.

[RedSock]

9. true

I would think all of us had the "Well, they wouldn't do *that*" beaten out of us over the last 8 years.

[pauldp]

10. An oops? More like a "whew!" I'm sorry but it seems the fear of Marshall Law

has been very real in DC of late. Unless you think people like Rep. Brad Sherman were lying.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HaG9d_4zij8


So is it good it didn't happen before Bush left? Absolutely. I never predicted it, but it sure seemed like a possibility given the crooks who were in power.

[Bolo Boffin]

11. When is Marshall Law going to round up the Cody boys and stop this cattle rustling? n/t

[pauldp]

14. Doh! You got me Deputy. nt

[sofa king]

12. Nope.

Not until we get to see Presidential documents from 2005, specifically relating to Operation Granite Shadow and the Bush Administrations contingency plans for the Plame investigation.

Maybe in another forty years.

And it's m a r t i a l law.

[greyl]

13. I think he knows how it's properly spelled. It's a running joke.

CTists tend to misspell things a lot:

"You must not know very much about marshall law" - HamdenRice
"But basically we are living under marshall law" - HamdenRice
"...under a kind of marshall law." - HamdenRice
"...you are expecting marshall law to be like Pinochet's Chile as depicted in Missing" - HamdenRice

[SDuderstadt]

15. Omigod...

did HR really say "marshal(l) law"? Jesus, that's funny!

[greyl]

16. Mmmhm. All in the same post.

Not exactly a typo.

edit: The thread was about Alex Jones predicting a major terrorist event would happen within 2 months, btw. I think it's been about 2 years since then.

[sofa king]

17. Fair enough.

When you're all done picking the ant shit from the pepper, tell me what you think of this:

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=1001

And compare the planned operation date with this:

http://www.dkosopedia.com/wiki/Plame_investigation_2005

And this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/September_24,_2005_anti-war_protest

They ran an "exercise" to institute martial law just as it was becoming clear that Judith Miller was going to crack, or maybe already did crack, and anti-war protesters were converging on Washington.

Is anyone going to tell me that the Bush Administration wouldn't have put such an operation into effect if there were no actual WMDs?

I say, and will continue to say, that the Bush Administration frequently and openly threatened to take the whole noodle if their criminal ways were not overlooked by Congress and DOJ investigators. And, slowly but surely, I will be vindicated by a mass of evidence to support that.

But less than forty-eight hours after the (surprising, to me) peaceful transition from the most criminal Presidency in our nation's history to something less malign, all I can say is wait and see.

If Seymour Hersh doesn't fall out of a building in the next thirty days, I might get a bone thrown to me then. But we'll just have to wait and see.

[Cessna Invesco Palin]

18. I think history says that your hypothesis is full of poo. n/t

[sofa king]

22. Well then, I'll be here to say "I told you so" in forty years.

But in the meantime... Brad Sherman agrees with me.

[Cessna Invesco Palin]

23. No, he disavows you as a conspiracist nutcase.

And if the new conspiracist whackjob motto is "I'll prove you wrong in forty years!" Then, well... That's retarded.

[sofa king]

24. No, YOU disavow me as a conspiracist nutcase.

Brad Sherman said on the floor of the House that the Bush Administration threatened Members of Congress with the spectre of martial law just a while ago, which is quite similar to what I'm claiming they also did in 2005, and which supports my argument that the Bush Administration did threaten such a thing, repeatedly.

If I told you in 1959 that the government was performing highly illegal experiments on unwitting subjects involving mind control and hallucinogens, you would have disavowed me as a nutcase, and I would have had to ride around with that slur for another fifteen years--until it turned out that Richard Helms couldn't destroy all of the documentation before the truth came out.

That's the way it often works, and I'm saying that's the way it's going to work this time. You can call me retarded, but it is you who is on the wrong side of history.

[Cessna Invesco Palin]

25. You make no mention of his disavowal of your position.

Conveniently forgotten, eh? I'll see you in 40 years.

[sofa king]

26. I didn't know he'd disavowed it.

But now that I look it up, I see you are correct. So be it. I've got time.

[HamdenRice]

19. I'd rather make a few typos than ...

have completely ludicrous, laughable, nonsensical and frankly idiotic positions on a range of issues, especially demographics and ecology -- if you know what I mean.

[SDuderstadt]

20. But you won't let that stop you from having...

"completely ludicrous, laughable, nonsensical and frankly idiotic positions on a range of issues, especially demographics and ecology", right, HR?


P.S. Saying "marshall" when the proper word is "martial" isn't a "typo", HR.

[LanternWaste]

21. I'm looking intently at my keyboard...

I'm looking intently at my keyboard to see how "martial" could wind up as the typo "marshall" (as typos are usually a person inadvertently depressing the wrong key close to the correct one), and I can't really see it as anything more than a misspelling.

But I would be more than happy to entertain your position, defense or justification on how your mistake was a typo rather than not knowing how to spell the word... :shrug:

[Cessna Invesco Palin]

27. Surely you mean "demografiks and ekologee." n/t

[greyl]

65. I'd rather be honest about things.

It doesn't look hopeful for getting an oops from any Martial law people, if we can't even get an oops on misspelling it 4 times in one post.

[go west young man]

28. Sarcasm or not. Misspelling or not.

It's foolish to say "I told ya so" when the election could have swung the other way and we could have truly edged closer towards martial law under another right wing administration. No one can predict the future. But the past shows that those countries that become fascist dictatorships took many years to get there. It's astounding to me that serious people on Democratic Underground would ever doubt the possibility of that. If the sarcastic fools on this board are our gatekeepers of a free country then in the long run the U.S. is truly in trouble.

[greyl]

30. The OP is referring to those who expressed certainty, and

those who said we were already under Martial law. Unlike authentic skeptics & scientists, the CTist point of view is very rarely provisional and usually clutched to tightly.

Possibly the worst aspect of the CT bullshit about Martial law(and the rest of it) is that it serves the same ends as the right-wing & mass media scare machine.

It's astounding to me that serious people on Democratic Underground are so easily persuaded that they have little personal power in the world relative to "the powers that be".

[go west young man]

32. My point is that there is no certainty.

The only true constant is change. No one can know what may have possibly happened had the election result been different. That scenario is as distant now as the surreality of the Bush years. It's another time.

[greyl]

33. Yes, I got your point.

I was only trying to explain you may have missed the OP's point.

[go west young man]

34. I understood the Marshall Law thread months ago.

But it matters not. We're all just guessing. No matter watt.

[LanternWaste]

57. Right, and I'm guessing martial law was not enacted...

Right, and I'm guessing martial law was not enacted by the Bush administration to prevent the elections from happening...

(but I could be wrong :shrug: )

[OnTheOtherHand]

58. that's exactly what they WANT you to think! n/t

[LanternWaste]

63. One of these days, someone will define for me

One of these days, someone will define for me (with both relevance and specificity) who "they" are based on valid research-- with names, incomes, precise agendas, addresses, the 'hows', the 'whys', the 'whens', etc. Yet, at least for now, I only get variations on a theme-- "authority". :eyes:

But yeah-- martial law is enacted ("Temporary rule by military authorities, imposed on a civilian population especially in time of war or when civil authority has broken"), and the only people who see it are the smart, cynical, trendy, keyboardists who dance between tin foil hattery and their X-box.

Oops-- better go, our broken military is banging at the door, rousting me from my room to take me to an undisclosed location to remove the memories from my brain...

[OnTheOtherHand]

64. well, _valid_ research is setting the bar pretty high

I've seen some delightfully specific conjectures, from time to time.

It's not the skepticism that burns, it's the apparent ability of some to believe almost anything -- as long as it's not The Official Story.

[LanternWaste]

68. However the are high degrees of...

"My point is that there is no certainty."

However the are high degrees of probability, feasibility and credibility.

[wildbilln864]

29. Maybe they couldn't pull it off because so many were suspicious and ...

paying attention since 9/11.

[greyl]

31. Ah. Their inside job worked against them, got it. nt

[wildbilln864]

35. nope!

you think you do, but you don't!

[jakeXT]

36. It's all about the money as usual

Bush Declares State of Emergency for Inauguration
By Sheryl Gay Stolberg

It’s true, President Bush sounded alarms about Barack Obama during the campaign season. On Tuesday, Mr. Bush went one step further: He declared Mr. Obama’s inauguration an actual emergency.


The declaration, though, was not a political statement about Republicans being run out of town. Rather, it was a bureaucratic move intended to provide additional federal money to help the District of Columbia cope with the massive crowds that are expected to turn out for the swearing-in ceremony on Jan. 20 that will make Mr. Obama the nation’s first black president.

The government has already set aside $15 million to help the District pay for security and medical personnel. But the District’s mayor, Adrian M. Fenty, asked for more money on January 7, citing possible crowds of 1.5 million to 2 million and “the associated stresses that would place on the city’s capabilities, particularly the medical community,” said Scott Stanzel, a spokesman for Mr. Bush.

http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/01/13/bush-declares-state-of-emergency-for-inauguration/

[seemslikeadream]

37. well we ain't hit bottom yet - how about when the DOW hits 5000?

goergie can't be trusted with *marshall Law*

Black Monday: 70,000 jobs vanish

http://www.canada.com/calgaryherald/news/calgarybusiness/story.html?id=4bbe5271-9747-4577-bbd3-b647656cc8cd
Black Monday for jobs as more than 100,000 cuts reported in US, Japan, Netherlands, UK and Ireland
http://www.finfacts.ie/irishfinancenews/article_1015779.shtml

Gloom deepens as 76,000 jobs go in a day
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/bb8ec7c0-ebb7-11dd-8838-0000779fd2ac.html?nclick_check=1

Deluge of layoffs hits U.S. economy
http://www.latimes.com/news/printedition/front/la-fi-layoffs27-2009jan27,0,7385039.story
Black Monday as struggling firms axe 69,000 jobs
http://news.scotsman.com/world/Black-Monday--as-struggling.4914954.jp





http://www.federalreserve.gov/boarddocs/testimony/19980610.htm

The strength of domestic spending has been fueled, in part, by conditions in financial markets. Although real short-term interest rates have been rising, equity prices have moved still higher, credit has been readily available at slender margins over Treasury interest rates, and nominal long-term interest rates have remained near the lowest levels of recent decades. Rapid growth of money this year is a further indication that financial conditions are accommodating strong domestic spending, although we still are uncertain how reliable that relationship will prove to be over time.

In short, our economy is still enjoying a virtuous cycle, in which, in the context of subdued inflation and generally supportive credit conditions, rising equity values are providing impetus for spending and, in turn, the expansion of output, employment, and productivity-enhancing capital investment. The hopes for accelerated productivity growth have been bolstering expectations of future corporate earnings and thereby fueling still further increases in equity values.

The essential precondition for the emergence, and persistence, of this virtuous cycle is arguably the decline in the rate of inflation to near price stability. Continued low product price inflation and expectations that it will persist have brought increasing stability to financial markets and fostered perceptions that the degree of risk in the financial outlook has been moving ever lower. These perceptions, in turn, have reduced the extra compensation that investors require for making loans to, or taking ownership positions in, private firms.

To a considerable extent, investors seem to be expecting that low inflation and stronger productivity growth will allow the extraordinary growth of profits to be extended into the distant future. Indeed, expectations of per share earnings growth over the longer term have been undergoing continuous upward revision by security analysts since 1994



Davos delegates gather to 'shape new world'
http://edition.cnn.com/2009/BUSINESS/01/27/davos.tuesday.crisis/

[Bolo Boffin]

38. So Obama can be trusted with *marshall* law?

Do you expect that Obama is the one that will be declaring martial law and shipping you off to a FEMA camp, SLAD?

[seemslikeadream]

39. Where in the fuck did I post the word Obama?

[Bolo Boffin]

40. It's this thing called logic. When "Georgie" left, he left Obama in charge.

And here you are still posting fearfully about martial law. So the clear implication is that Obama is the source of your fears now. See? If he's not, why would you still be posting fearfully about martial law?

[seemslikeadream]

43. IDIDN'T SEE THE WORD FEAR EITHER BOLO

I see no logic in putting words in my mouth, or in the post as the case maybe

[Bolo Boffin]

44. Why are you still posting about martial law in a Bush-free society?

And why are you playing these silly games in your posts?

[seemslikeadream]

45. They are only games from your point of view bolo

you are free to stop your involvement in what you preceive as silly games.

[Bolo Boffin]

46. I'm not involved in a silly game -- I'm just watching you conduct one and commenting on it

You refuse to speak about the clear implications (intended?) of your piece and instead play semantic games.

So if the Dow hits 5,000 and Obama doesn't declare martial law, what then, SLAD? Will you post here about Dow 2,500? Anything to keep this dark fantasy about martial law in American alive?

[seemslikeadream]

49. yes you are

you are the one that labeled exactly what YOU are doing, not me.

[greyl]

41. I thought the upside-down flag avatar was

a statement about the illegitimate Bush presidency.
Isn't it time to change it?

[seemslikeadream]

42. no you are wrong again oh wise one of the dungeon

An upside down flag means this country is in distress. Do YOU actually believe all our troubles are over now? The evils that the bush presidency so gratiously had given to us will take decades to heal.

Follow the market greyl, there is no saviour

[greyl]

47. I understand full well that it is a distress signal.

I guess you won't be one of those who has hope enough to participate in getting things back on track, eh?

[seemslikeadream]

48. participate?

and what are your suggestions?

[greyl]

50. Participate? Assist? Contribute? ENGAGE? Pick one.

Your question can be answered many different ways.
I could tell you to just cheer the hell up and look at the bright sides.
I could suggest you volunteer to help those less fortunate in your local community.
I could say take more care in being persuasive when you speak of things you care deeply about - when you set out to change minds.
I could say "join hands and get on the Love Train" then post some lyrics in a pretty color.
etc...

The best answer, I think, is that I don't what is within your power to do. Only you know what resources you have to draw upon and only you know the best use of your time.

[HamdenRice]

51. And tell us oh wise one, just what do you do?

And talking about how we need to become tribal doesn't count as practical "participation."

[greyl]

52. Whatever I can.

I'm not at all willing to be drawn into revealing any personal details to you.
The conversation between SLAD and I wasn't on that level.

[HamdenRice]

54. Why do you always play games whenever you're asked a specific question?

No one is asking for the name and address of the causes you volunteer for, just in general whether you actually do anything in the real world.

And it's only fair because you already seem to "know" what I do to "help" in the real world -- I force our western hegemonic totalitarian agricultural culture on the helpless indigenous people of the world.

[greyl]

66. Nice job proving somebody wrong.

SLAD and I were having a civil conversation until you chimed in. (edit: regarding SLAD's deleted posts in this subthread inspired by you /edit)

"Be wary of "friends" who may egg you on because they enjoy the show." - greyl, to SLAD
SLAD's reply: "NOBODY eggs me on"

[seemslikeadream]

53. .......

:rofl:

[HamdenRice]

55. His sole contribution seems to be OCT keyboard warrior

:rofl:

and general eccentric full of "good ideas" that are


:silly: :crazy: :silly: :crazy: :silly: :crazy: :silly: :crazy:

[Name removed]

56. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[Bolo Boffin]

59. You seem to have mistaken the public message board for a private message

The kind of conversation you seem to be engaged here is quite uncivil in public. What you talk about and who you excoriate in private is your own affair.

[seemslikeadream]

61. I, my fellow DUer have not a CLUE as to WHAT in DU land you are babbling about. n/t

[Bolo Boffin]

62. Oh, I think you do. n/t

[HamdenRice]

67. See post 13 and you'll know what their point is

It's very "sophisticated." It's nya, nya, we can be snarky and post call outs, but you're not allowed to.

[Name removed]

60. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[LanternWaste]

69. From the tapdancing I see on this thread...

From the graceful tap dancing I see on this thread, I'm going to presume the answer to your question is "no."

[backwoodsbob]

70. pretty much

not sure if I want to :P or :argh:

[Realityhack]

71. QFT. n/t