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Adsos Letter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-07-09 12:35 AM
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Never mind...I located it.
Edited on Tue Apr-07-09 01:25 AM by Adsos Letter
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Bolo Boffin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-07-09 01:54 AM
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1. Your posts here have been a great source of information to me.
This one was a shocker. You were very careful not to declare yourself one way or the other on this issue (Flight 77 hitting the Pentagon) and that in itself is quite disturbing.

http://wtc7lies.googlepages.com/911pentagonflight77evidencesummary

There is far more evidence and information on this event that any silly conspiracy theory video like the one you described could contain. If you harbor any doubts about what hit the Pentagon, I would hope that you will educate yourself.
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Adsos Letter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-07-09 02:35 AM
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2. Well, don't let it be a shocker to you....
my interest in the video was the combination of visual, sound, and other components to acheive an effect.

It had nothing to do with the validity of the information presented, which is why I didn't couch it in those terms.
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Bolo Boffin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-07-09 02:38 AM
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3. And a second very, very careful wording on a very simple historical event.
I've moved from shock to disappointment.
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Adsos Letter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-07-09 03:19 AM
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4. Well, feel free to be disappointed.
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Bolo Boffin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-07-09 09:47 AM
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8. I am. n/t
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BeFree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-07-09 08:24 AM
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5. You're in for a lot of that
Edited on Tue Apr-07-09 08:25 AM by BeFree
As people actually begin to study ALL the evidence they begin dis-believing the OCT. The first step of course is accepting the OCT for what it is: The Bushco Official Conspiracy Theory.

Why do we call it a theory? Because, after 7 and 1/2 years, it just doesn't hold water. It's full of holes. Holes big enough to fly a 747 through.

So, as folks study the available evidence, it becomes clear to them that the previously held faith in what the mass media and Bushco told them about WMD and OBL and all the rest of the Bushco lies is not something to blindly be pied pipered into following.

Bushco tried to make all of it very simple, because a simple lie is easily told. But when we get into the details that they thought no one ever would question, the simple lie falls apart much like the lie that a plane hitting the ground or a building simply disappears.

I feel sorry for those who are left trying to support the OCT. The shock and disappointment they will experience as they dig deep into what really happened has gotta hurt.
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William Seger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-07-09 08:58 AM
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6. Anyone who studies ALL the evidence isn't going to sign up
... for your "movement." That's exactly why you WON'T find it on "movement" propaganda sites and YouTruth videos. But anyone who bothers to look a little farther will find it. I feel sorry for those who stop short and will likely spend the rest of their lives in marginalized delusion, but fortunately, the "movement" has been in reverse the past couple of years.
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BeFree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-07-09 09:04 AM
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7. Nah
Not really.

The 'movement' as you call it is no different that the civil rights movement, women's suffrage, Gay rights, human rights, etc., etc.

The reverse does hold true for the OCT true believers. On 9/12 they were like 99% believers. Probably down to about 40% today and dying off as we speak and as people take their heads out of the rubble and begin looking around and seeing who done it.
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William Seger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-07-09 09:54 AM
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10. "The 'movement' as you call it is..."
> "... no different that the civil rights movement, women's suffrage, Gay rights, human rights, etc., etc."

Really? Maybe that's where the disconnect lies. To those of us who believe in objective reality, it most certainly is completely different. The "truth movement" claims it's going to tell us what "really" happened on 9/11, then proceeds to find its most effective technique is ignoring and distorting known facts while offering speculation as fact and making totally unsubstantiated assertions about highly implausible hypotheses.
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BeFree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-07-09 10:06 AM
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11. Objective reality
That's funny. Sickenenly funny.

Blacks, according to that reality, weren't human. Same shit different day.
Women aren't capable of making the right choices. "" "" "" ""

Yeah, some of what some of the Truth seekers propose is a bit 'far out'. Frankly, tho, it is no more than a balance to the OCT.

Because the OCT find its most effective technique is ignoring and distorting known facts while offering speculation as fact and making totally unsubstantiated assertions about highly implausible hypotheses.

Merely a balancing act.

If balance makes your head spin, well, I can't help ya there.
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William Seger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-07-09 10:19 AM
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13. I see how ya are...
... and why attempting rational discussion is futile.
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BeFree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-07-09 10:33 AM
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16. Yep
It if you won't be rational and realize that your position is doomed and that you have closed your mind to the realities or even the possibilities, then how could anyone have a discussion with you?

The OCT back then was solidly against blacks having civil rights and women being allowed to vote. It was defeated by science and people's movements.

Your stonewalling will fail, as it always has, whenever progress is made.
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Bolo Boffin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-07-09 09:49 AM
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9. I will always be disappointed when people turn off their brains and surrender to ignorance. n/t
Edited on Tue Apr-07-09 09:49 AM by Bolo Boffin
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BeFree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-07-09 10:12 AM
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12. If that were true
Then you must be severely disappointed in the OCT True Believers, because they do turn off their brains and surrender to ignorance.

Its like a guy know, a really smart guy, who wanted to argue with me about 9/11. I simply told him that after having read through nearly all there was to read, I came to the conclusion that I didn't know what really happened.

His head dropped and he mumbled that he must agree: We just don't know what happened.

So anyone who tells me they know what happened is, to me, a liar.
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Bolo Boffin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-07-09 10:24 AM
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14. On the other hand, people who actively work to spread ignorance earn nothing but my disgust.
BeFree, feel free to decide for yourself which category you fall into.
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BeFree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-07-09 10:27 AM
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15. You love me?
Of course you do, because you love the truth.
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Bolo Boffin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-07-09 10:38 AM
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17. No.
There is no love of the truth in you.
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BeFree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-07-09 10:41 AM
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18. Awww
Now I'm disappointed. Shucks, Durn. Bolo doesn't love me. What will I do?

Well, at least the mods do, eh?
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Ghost in the Machine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-07-09 12:54 PM
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19. You must be highly disappointed in yourself then, huh?
:shrug:


You're a joke, and I doubt anyone here really cares whether *YOU* are disappointed in them or not. Get over yourself, you're not important in any of our lives. Your delusions of grandeur have you fooled, dude.


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