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greyl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-08-09 04:18 PM Original message |
"Rare" WTC 7 video shortly before collapse. |
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jakeXT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-08-09 06:01 PM Response to Original message |
1. The actual collapse is from a known video |
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Ohio Joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-08-09 06:08 PM Response to Reply #1 |
3. And? |
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jakeXT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-09-09 12:11 AM Response to Reply #3 |
4. this "Plenty of noise is heard before the collapse, but nothing sounds like a controlled demolition" |
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Ohio Joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-09-09 11:21 AM Response to Reply #4 |
8. Why? |
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jakeXT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-09-09 11:45 AM Response to Reply #8 |
9. Why not just investigate for explosives? |
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Ohio Joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-09-09 11:53 AM Response to Reply #9 |
10. Gotta love those cherry picked quotes |
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jakeXT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-09-09 12:08 PM Response to Reply #10 |
12. Science and facts ? |
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SDuderstadt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-09-09 12:44 PM Response to Reply #12 |
15. Jake... |
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jakeXT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-09-09 12:52 PM Response to Reply #15 |
16. You could weaken the structure before and then you don't need as many just before the collapse |
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SDuderstadt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-09-09 01:12 PM Response to Reply #16 |
17. Why WTC 7 and not 1 & 2? |
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jakeXT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-09-09 01:49 PM Response to Reply #17 |
19. Yes they were there, do you know more about their investigation and what they did? |
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SDuderstadt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-09-09 01:55 PM Response to Reply #19 |
20. No, you had one guy, Danny Jowenko... |
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jakeXT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-09-09 01:59 PM Response to Reply #20 |
21. This Romero guy talked about WTC 1 & 2 on live pictures I think. |
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SDuderstadt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-09-09 04:30 PM Response to Reply #21 |
29. If you're talking about Van Romero.... |
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jakeXT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-10-09 04:15 AM Response to Reply #29 |
88. Did he say it or not? We were talking about CD diagnosed over the TV |
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SDuderstadt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-10-09 06:24 AM Response to Reply #88 |
89. ''Truther Logic'' |
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jakeXT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-10-09 12:31 PM Response to Reply #89 |
94. Did he retract his statements every time the official collapse scenario changed? |
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SDuderstadt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-10-09 04:26 PM Response to Reply #94 |
96. No, he didn't... |
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jakeXT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-11-09 05:43 AM Response to Reply #96 |
102. He gave his initial theory in the first article, he never claimed an inside job |
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Kalun D (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-11-09 04:37 PM Response to Reply #96 |
105. Horse Head |
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SDuderstadt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-11-09 04:43 PM Response to Reply #105 |
106. If you guys have any proof at all that Romero was intimidated... |
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Kalun D (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-11-09 05:01 PM Response to Reply #106 |
107. D's and R's |
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SDuderstadt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-11-09 05:03 PM Response to Reply #107 |
108. Do you have any evidence that Romero was intimidated? |
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Kalun D (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-11-09 05:17 PM Response to Reply #108 |
110. The Offer You Can't Refuse |
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SDuderstadt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-11-09 05:19 PM Response to Reply #110 |
111. Simple question, Kalun... |
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Kalun D (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-11-09 05:31 PM Response to Reply #111 |
112. Evidence |
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SDuderstadt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-11-09 05:33 PM Response to Reply #112 |
113. Romero himself discounts your position, dude... |
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Kalun D (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-11-09 06:14 PM Response to Reply #113 |
114. AFTER |
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SDuderstadt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-11-09 06:18 PM Response to Reply #114 |
115. If you have evidence of a "horse's head in the bed"... |
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greyl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-09-09 01:43 PM Response to Reply #16 |
18. Yes, weaken the structure with 7 hours worth of virtually unfought fires |
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Kalun D (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-11-09 05:10 PM Response to Reply #18 |
109. SEVEN, the Achilles Heel of the OCT. |
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Kalun D (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-11-09 04:27 PM Response to Reply #10 |
104. Testing |
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SDuderstadt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-09-09 12:01 PM Response to Reply #9 |
11. Jake... |
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jakeXT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-09-09 12:13 PM Response to Reply #11 |
13. Aren't we talking about WTC 7 and NIST seems to love column 79 |
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SDuderstadt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-09-09 12:41 PM Response to Reply #13 |
14. Even if we're only talking about WTC 7... |
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Ohio Joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-08-09 06:05 PM Response to Original message |
2. And "rare" it will remain |
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Subdivisions (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-09-09 01:04 AM Response to Original message |
5. Fire don't cause buildings to collapse... |
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greyl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-09-09 01:35 AM Response to Reply #5 |
6. Ever? Then it must have been snow. |
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hack89 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-09-09 06:55 AM Response to Reply #5 |
7. You are right that concrete is more fire resistant |
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Subdivisions (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-09-09 02:29 PM Response to Reply #7 |
22. WTC 7 wasn't hit by a plane. n/t |
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hack89 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-09-09 02:43 PM Response to Reply #22 |
23. It still suffered massive structural damage |
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Subdivisions (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-09-09 02:52 PM Response to Reply #23 |
24. Blah, blah. You wanna throw the planes in to help justify fire collapsing |
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hack89 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-09-09 03:20 PM Response to Reply #24 |
25. Truthers have to ignore the damage because otherwise |
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Subdivisions (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-09-09 04:45 PM Response to Reply #25 |
34. Blah, blah, blah. Have your cake. You're an embarrassment. n/t |
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SDuderstadt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-09-09 04:48 PM Response to Reply #34 |
36. No, Subdivisions... |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-09-09 04:50 PM Response to Reply #36 |
38. Deleted message |
SDuderstadt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-09-09 04:56 PM Response to Reply #38 |
43. Nice either/or argument, Subdivisions.... |
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hack89 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-09-09 07:55 PM Response to Reply #34 |
85. Since I am in the majority |
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SDuderstadt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-09-09 08:01 PM Response to Reply #85 |
86. It's even more embarrassing when... |
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vincent_vega_lives (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-10-09 08:21 PM Response to Reply #34 |
97. web design? |
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SDuderstadt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-09-09 04:22 PM Response to Reply #24 |
27. Subdivisions... |
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Subdivisions (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-09-09 04:53 PM Response to Reply #27 |
40. People like you have intimidated them into silence. I don't |
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SDuderstadt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-09-09 04:55 PM Response to Reply #40 |
42. "Truther Logic:"... |
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Subdivisions (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-09-09 04:57 PM Response to Reply #42 |
44. Ok, one more. Vigorous |
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SDuderstadt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-09-09 05:01 PM Response to Reply #44 |
46. Follow the rules and you... |
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Subdivisions (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-09-09 05:10 PM Response to Reply #46 |
48. Why do you continue to address me even though I've told you that |
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SDuderstadt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-09-09 05:15 PM Response to Reply #48 |
49. You don't get to decide who does and does not respond to posts... |
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Subdivisions (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-09-09 05:17 PM Response to Reply #49 |
50. Why are you threatening me by PM? n/t |
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SDuderstadt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-09-09 05:18 PM Response to Reply #50 |
53. You can post it right here and everyone will see it isn't a "threat".... |
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Subdivisions (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-09-09 05:19 PM Response to Reply #53 |
55. Ok... |
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SDuderstadt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-09-09 05:21 PM Response to Reply #55 |
56. So, where's the "threat", dude? |
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Subdivisions (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-09-09 05:23 PM Response to Reply #56 |
58. 'I am going to basically warn you' is a threat. It implies that if I continue to |
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SDuderstadt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-09-09 05:30 PM Response to Reply #58 |
62. You need to study the definition of a "threat", dude... |
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Subdivisions (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-09-09 05:31 PM Response to Reply #62 |
63. A warning implies consequences or else it carries no weight. n/t |
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SDuderstadt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-09-09 05:34 PM Response to Reply #63 |
66. Show me where I "implied" anything, dude.... |
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Subdivisions (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-09-09 05:38 PM Response to Reply #66 |
70. I'm begging you to stop embarrassing yourself and DU. GOOD DAY, SIR! n/t |
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OnTheOtherHand (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-09-09 06:01 PM Response to Reply #63 |
77. consequence: we all see you twisting people's words |
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SDuderstadt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-09-09 05:18 PM Response to Reply #48 |
51. "Truther Logic"... |
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Subdivisions (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-09-09 05:18 PM Response to Reply #51 |
52. You are a troublemaker. n/t |
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SDuderstadt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-09-09 05:19 PM Response to Reply #52 |
54. And you're embarrassing DU with your... |
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Subdivisions (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-09-09 05:21 PM Response to Reply #54 |
57. Am I about to get TSed? n/t |
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SDuderstadt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-09-09 05:24 PM Response to Reply #57 |
60. I'd muich rather you stay right here and embarrass the... |
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Subdivisions (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-09-09 05:25 PM Response to Reply #60 |
61. You are the one embarrassing DU. n/t |
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SDuderstadt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-09-09 05:33 PM Response to Reply #61 |
65. I'm not the one implying I have a smoking gun,... |
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Subdivisions (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-09-09 05:36 PM Response to Reply #65 |
69. I don't have a smoking gun. Any smoking gun there might have been |
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SDuderstadt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-09-09 05:44 PM Response to Reply #69 |
72. "Any smoking gun there might have been has been withheld or destroyed. And lots of people who were.. |
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Subdivisions (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-09-09 05:48 PM Response to Reply #72 |
73. Good day. n/t |
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OnTheOtherHand (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-09-09 05:32 PM Response to Reply #40 |
64. people like SDuderstadt have intimidated scientists into silence? |
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SDuderstadt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-09-09 05:36 PM Response to Reply #64 |
68. It's hysterical, isn't it? |
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OnTheOtherHand (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-09-09 09:51 PM Response to Reply #68 |
87. I'll try not to generalize |
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Ezlivin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-09-09 04:37 PM Response to Reply #23 |
31. Yet other buildings were hit harder, had severe fires and yet stayed upright |
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SDuderstadt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-09-09 04:43 PM Response to Reply #31 |
33. But it wasn't designed like WTC 7 either.... |
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Ezlivin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-09-09 06:16 PM Response to Reply #33 |
81. Special pleading |
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SDuderstadt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-09-09 06:36 PM Response to Reply #81 |
82. Jesus.... |
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Ezlivin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-10-09 10:09 AM Response to Reply #82 |
90. Nice try |
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OnTheOtherHand (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-10-09 11:07 AM Response to Reply #90 |
91. repetition doesn't constitute an argument |
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Ezlivin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-10-09 11:34 AM Response to Reply #91 |
92. Please point out the "honest observers" and I'll have a go at it |
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OnTheOtherHand (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-10-09 11:56 AM Response to Reply #92 |
93. well, I think "talking points" is right on target |
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vincent_vega_lives (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-10-09 08:29 PM Response to Reply #92 |
98. Perhaps you should just read |
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SDuderstadt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-10-09 04:24 PM Response to Reply #90 |
95. You know, this post is wrong on so many levels... |
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hack89 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-09-09 04:54 PM Response to Reply #31 |
41. It was smashed to pieces |
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whatchamacallit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-09-09 03:54 PM Response to Original message |
26. Spectacularly unimpressive |
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SDuderstadt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-09-09 04:24 PM Response to Reply #26 |
28. "Truther Logic"... |
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Subdivisions (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-09-09 04:48 PM Response to Reply #28 |
35. OCT-o-Bot logic: |
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SDuderstadt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-09-09 04:50 PM Response to Reply #35 |
37. Oh, so you think Saudis and other Middle easterners are... |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-09-09 04:51 PM Response to Reply #37 |
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vincent_vega_lives (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-10-09 08:31 PM Response to Reply #35 |
99. cavemen |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-09-09 04:58 PM Response to Reply #28 |
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SDuderstadt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-09-09 05:03 PM Response to Reply #45 |
47. Dude....are you seriously saying WTC 7 was not a unique design??? |
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whatchamacallit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-09-09 05:24 PM Response to Reply #47 |
59. Unique design doesn't automatically = shit design, just because the OCT needs it to |
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SDuderstadt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-09-09 05:35 PM Response to Reply #59 |
67. No one said it was a "shit design", dude.... |
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whatchamacallit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-09-09 05:43 PM Response to Reply #67 |
71. It fell at free fall velocity |
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SDuderstadt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-09-09 05:50 PM Response to Reply #71 |
74. Another "truther" myth.... |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-09-09 06:04 PM Response to Reply #74 |
78. Deleted message |
SDuderstadt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-09-09 06:09 PM Response to Reply #78 |
79. I did nothing of the sort, dude... |
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whatchamacallit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-09-09 06:15 PM Response to Reply #79 |
80. I don't believe you know you are supporting |
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SDuderstadt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-09-09 06:41 PM Response to Reply #80 |
83. Dude...I absolutely disagree with you on the facts.... |
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whatchamacallit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-09-09 06:59 PM Response to Reply #83 |
84. When haven't our "conversations" been a waste of time? |
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vincent_vega_lives (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-11-09 10:32 AM Response to Reply #71 |
103. Quite a claim |
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vincent_vega_lives (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-10-09 08:33 PM Response to Reply #59 |
100. It was a fine design |
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procopia (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-09-09 05:52 PM Response to Reply #28 |
75. Truther logic |
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SDuderstadt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-09-09 05:58 PM Response to Reply #75 |
76. When you can prove any of your claims... |
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vincent_vega_lives (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-10-09 08:38 PM Response to Reply #75 |
101. asymmetrical collapse |
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hack89 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-09-09 04:33 PM Response to Reply #26 |
30. But you have never seen buildings that suffered massive structural damage |
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SDuderstadt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-09-09 04:41 PM Response to Reply #30 |
32. I think it's past time to... |
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trumanh59639 (56 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-24-09 02:21 AM Response to Original message |
116. Good video |
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