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rhymeandreason Donating Member (255 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-19-09 03:00 PM
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10 Characteristics of Self Proclaimed 'Skeptics'
Edited on Wed Aug-19-09 03:13 PM by rhymeandreason
Here is a useful guide to help understand OGCTers and so-called "debunkers".

10 Characteristics of Self Proclaimed 'Skeptics'
A useful guide by Chi_Disciple
http://www.book-of-thoth.com/ftopicp-229343.html

1. Arrogance. They are always fact-seekers, questioners, people who are intellectually honest: independent thinkers are always "conspiracy theorists", dupes for shoddy research, Alex Jones and the 'Truth Movement' etc. They rarely acknowledge logical fallacies in their arguments.

2. Relentlessness. They will always go on and on in denial no matter how little evidence they have to go on or how much of what they have is simply discredited. (Moreover, as per 1. above, even if you listen to them ninety-eight times, the ninety-ninth time, when you say "no thanks", you'll be called a "conspiracy nut" or "liar" again.) Additionally, they have no capacity for independent thought whatsoever. They go on and on at enormous length, copy pasting material they do not even understand themselves. Some of them even troll "conspiracy threads" to no end.

3. Inability to answer questions. For people who loudly advertise their determination to the principle of questioning everything, they're pretty poor at answering direct questions from genuine skeptics about the claims that they make.

4. Fondness for certain stock phrases. These include "conspiracy theorist," "tin foil hat," "lying womens thing," "truther," "paranoid," "uneducated flubb" and "intellectual dishonesty." What these phrases have in common is that they are attempts to absolve themselves from any responsibility to think critically.

5. Inability to employ or understand logic. Aided by the principle in above, self proclaimed skeptics never notice that the small ambiguities in the accounts which they reject are dwarfed by the enormous, gaping holes in logic, likelihood and evidence in any "official" accounts; a very common example would be the appeal to authority fallacy with respect to arguments regarding the cause of the WTC collapse.

6. Inability to tell good theories from bad. Self proclaimed skeptics have no place for questioning the integrity of sources. The fact that a claim has been made by authority, anywhere, is enough for them to reproduce it and demand that the questions it supposedly answers be accepted, as if intellectual inquiry were a matter of submitting to logical fallacies. While they do this, of course, they will claim to be "educated" and abuse the skeptics of conventional (or "official") accounts for apparently lacking same.

7. Inability to withdraw. It's a rare day indeed when a self proclaimed skeptics admits that a claim they have made has turned out to be state propaganda, disinformation or without foundation, whether it be the overall claim itself or any of the evidence produced to support it. Moreover they have a liking (see 3. above) for the technique of avoiding discussion of their claims by "swamping" - piling on a whole lot more material rather than respond to the objections to the previous lot.

8. Leaping to conclusions. Self proclaimed skeptics are very keen indeed to declare the "alternative" account totally discredited without having remotely enough cause so to do. Of course this enables them to wheel on the stock phrases as in 4. above. Small ambiguities in the narration of an event, small unanswered questions, small problems in timing of differences in procedure from previous events of the same kind are all more than adequate to declare the "alternative" account clearly and definitively discredited. It goes without saying that it is not necessary to prove that these ambiguities are either relevant, or that they even definitely exist. A good example of this would be automatically assuming a non-existent terrorist network, Al-Qaeda, managed to pull one of the largest terrorist attacks on American soil, with out any non-controversial evidence and absence of transparency.

9. Ignoring previous conspiracies and atrocities, perpetuating their pathological denial and cognitive dissonance. This dismissal makes critical thought unlikely, in order to try and demonstrate that their coincidence theory should be accorded some weight. They do not pause to reflect that the nonsense they are touting is almost always far more unlikely and complicated than observable patterns in human history and real-life.

10. It's always a coincidence. And it is, isn't it? No sooner has the body been discovered, the bomb gone off, than the same people are producing the same old stuff, demanding that there are questions which need to be answered, at the same unbearable length. Because the most important thing about these people is that they are people entirely lacking in discrimination. They cannot tell a good theory from a bad one, they cannot tell good evidence from bad evidence and they cannot tell a good source from a bad one. And for that reason, they always come up with the same answer when they ask the same question.

Feel free to use it wherever you please.
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Twist_U_Up Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-19-09 03:43 PM
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1. 1. yes,2 yes, 3 yes...............
huh funny dat
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rd_kent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-19-09 04:31 PM
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2. I am skeptical about these characteristics
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Bolo Boffin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-19-09 04:33 PM
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3. lying womans thing? WTH? n/t
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greyl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-19-09 04:50 PM
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4. If you had evidence, you'd be talking about it.
Since you don't, you're fabricating outlandish rationalizations & creating scapegoats to explain away your problem of why you just can't seem to get through to the whole fucking world.
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William Seger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-19-09 05:26 PM
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5. On what planet do you spend most of your time? (n/t)
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quickesst Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-19-09 06:14 PM
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6. Ha ha...
Maybe on the same planet where this guy spends his.:+

<http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=125x260753>

Thanks.
quickesst
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William Seger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-19-09 06:18 PM
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7. Ah, that explains it
I wondered why it sounded like he was actually describing "truthers." He was. Thanks for clearing that up.
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BuddyBoy Donating Member (469 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-19-09 06:28 PM
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9. Shouldn't you give Cong. Frank credit for your subject line?

Not that he would mind if you don't, but maybe you just assumed that everyone here would know that you borrowed it from him.
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SDuderstadt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-19-09 10:56 PM
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14. "Truther Logic"
"We're not conspiracy theorists, we're conspiracists".


How's that working for you?
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BuddyBoy Donating Member (469 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-19-09 06:24 PM
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8. Excellent, but too generous in one regard ...

The author keeps saying that denialists have an "inability" to do such and so. I disagree. I don't believe for a minute that
they have an inability to answer questions or an inability to tell good theories from bad etc.

The unspoken assumption is that if they DID have an ability to do all of the things that they allegedly have an "inability" to do,
they WOULD. No they wouldn't. They're advocates. Mind you, I'm not saying they're paid to do what they do. I do NOT believe
that for a moment. They simply happen to believe strongly in the position they advocate. So strongly, that they're obnoxious
and odious, but they know exactly what they're doing, and it's on purpose.

It IS one way to prevail in an environment such as this one. It's been effective for many years. Why should they change tactics?
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BuddyBoy Donating Member (469 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-19-09 07:59 PM
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10. Anyone who doubts the effectiveness of the Denialists here ...

should take a casual stroll thru "Marlboro Country" aka DU's graveyard. Be sure to go when you'll have plenty of time
to "mourn". It's a rather large country.

We may wish they would use different "debating" techniques, but no one can say that THEY aren't very, very good at surviving.
It's people on our side who need to become better at representing our position WITHOUT violating a DU rule that can
cause us to end up unintentionally joining the "Greatful Dead".
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SDuderstadt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-19-09 08:51 PM
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13. You mean like calling people ''Twit''...
dude?
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Ohio Joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-20-09 04:58 AM
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15. bwahahahahahahaha, that is some funny ass shit
oh buddyboy, thanks man, thats one of the best laughs I've had all week.

You know, heh, you can become the best in the world at not violating DU rules... and thats always a good thing but... That is never going to help you become better at representing your position. In order to do that, at some point you should try... oh maybe, actually presenting something... anything... to back up your claims. Just a thought for you.
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hack89 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-19-09 08:07 PM
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11. You left out handsome and well endowed nt
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PufPuf23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-19-09 08:29 PM
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12. A true Skeptic (moi) knows that is implicit lol nt
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