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NecessaryOnslaught Donating Member (691 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-06-04 06:33 PM
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WTC construction manager: Plane through perimeter columns..
like a "pencil through screen door netting." "Trade center can sustain multiple plane hits".

http://www.freepressinternational.com/wtc_11152004_manager_88888.html
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NecessaryOnslaught Donating Member (691 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-06-04 06:45 PM
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1. A faster loading link
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RH Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-06-04 09:01 PM
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2. Construction Managers

are often would be architects.

Doesn't necessarily mean that they know so much about architecture.

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LARED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-06-04 09:32 PM
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3. Correct
Frank A. DeMartini, Manager, WTC Construction and Project Management, discusses the fact that the WTC towers were designed to take multiple hits from airliners and not collapse, comparing it to poking a pencil through fly netting, DeMartini was adament that the towers would not collapse. DeMartini died in the towers on 9/11, this interview clip was taken from video shot in January 2001.

I posted this from the link because it is a great example of the 9/11 CT crowd's sophisty. He NEVER said it was was a fact or that it was designed to take multiple hits, he said he thought the towers could.

Huge difference. He is not a designer or architect, he was the construction manager.

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demodewd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-06-04 10:40 PM
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4. should I believe you??
So ..according to your logic I should take your opinions with a grain of salt since you are neither a designer or an architect. Of course if the towers were rigged with explosives it makes this issue moot.
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RH Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-04 09:42 AM
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6. With regard to what?

When did Lared opine architecturally?

:shrug:

The impression I have is rather one of a constant supply of useful references to reliable professional reports.

Does demodewd have any of those to offer?

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MercutioATC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-04 09:17 AM
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5. The perimeter columns weren't the issue.
The central columns were.

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NecessaryOnslaught Donating Member (691 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-04 06:14 PM
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8. Im aware of that
what is your point?
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MercutioATC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-04 09:31 PM
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10. Who cares if the perimeter columns retained their integrity after the
crash? It's immaterial. They're not what holds the building up.
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Abe Linkman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-04 10:14 PM
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11. Who cares about arguing once you accept the basic premise?
Allowing the issue to become one of two (or more) false choices allows the Official Conspiracy Theorists to appear to be objective and only interested in the truth.

The premise is not proven, and there is far more reason to believe that the buildings were "helped" down by demolition means. If you proceed as though "everybody knows" that they weren't brought down by controlled demolition, then you're talking about points that are very academic, theoretical, and only serve the interests of bushco.
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MercutioATC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-04 06:42 AM
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12. Having trouble understanding?
While it's great that the perimeter columns were designed to be able to lose their integrity without bringing down the building, I think we all realize that the planes also hit the central columns, which are the "backbone". It's really immaterial that the perimeter columns are O.K. when the central columns fail.
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Abe Linkman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-04 10:27 AM
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14. Having trouble understanding why more & more people are convinced..
that the WTC buildings came down as the result of a controlled demolition...despite the best efforts and arguments of an ATC?
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MercutioATC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-04 10:29 AM
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15. Once again, you're avoiding the question.
Edited on Wed Dec-08-04 10:31 AM by MercutioATC
Care to actually deal with the matter at hand?
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Abe Linkman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-04 10:40 AM
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16. Your special interest is a red herring, as far as I'm concerned
But, go on with it. Maybe it'll keep some of the customers from paying attention to the truth about how the buildings came down.
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MercutioATC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-04 11:32 AM
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17. "Special interest"?
The subject post made mention of the perimeter columns...I was replying to that.

I have no idea why you responded to me.
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tngledwebb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-04 09:52 AM
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7. Sorry, your expert didn't pass the expert test.
Always ask the local certified 'Expert Identifiers' which experts should be trusted.

Can't understand why architects were so shocked about it. They should have called the 'Expert Identifiers' first.

:eyes: :shrug: :tinfoilhat: :pals: :headbang: :wow: :P :party:
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Make7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-04 09:14 AM
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13. Frank A. Demartini is incorrect.
"The building was designed to have a fully loaded 707 crash into it. That was the largest plane at the time. I believe that the building probably could sustain multiple impacts of jetliners because this structure is like the mosquito netting on your screen door -- this intense grid -- and the jet plane is just a pencil puncturing that screen netting. It really does nothing to the screen netting" - Frank A. Demartini

If you poke a hole in a screen, mosquitoes can come through the hole - it actually does do something to the screen netting.

:) Make7
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