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Fusions_Minion Donating Member (103 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-26-05 12:10 PM
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"From my close up inspection, there is no evidence of a plane
having crashed anywhere near the pentagon."

http://prisonplanet.com/articles/february2005/250205noplane.htm
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k-robjoe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-26-05 12:16 PM
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1. wondering
When I listen to him, it sounds to me like he´s saying :

"there is no evidence of a plane having crashed anywhere NEAR the Pentagon..." i.e. not anywhere NEAR, because it crashed right into it. That´s what it sounds like to me. And so it seems like a distortion to say that he said there is no evidence of a plane having crashed anywhere near the Pentagon. Those are his words, but his meaning is : it crashed right into it.
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DulceDecorum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-26-05 02:00 PM
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2. The crash INTO the Pentagon hardly damaged the floor.
which is why they were able to insist on the use of Ardex K-15 which is ineffective for gouges over five inches deep.
http://www.ardex.com/prod-k15-inst.htm

Mind you, the FLOOR was still very much present.

One would have thought that the columns would have created holes in the floor and such as they were deformed by the passage of the very thin plane.
But that is not what happened.

Hey, you did notice that the force of the crash and resulting explosion had blown the metal doors and a wall out of the vault.
But yet and still this all had NO EFFECT WHATSOEVER on
the Incredible,
the Inimitable,
the Impervious,
the Inscrutable,
Mother of All Floors.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=125x3550#3618

Go figure.
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LARED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-26-05 02:25 PM
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3. Ardex K-15
is a floor leveling compound. When applied it's a liquid that is self-leveling. It's used to create a nice finish on a floor so when you install the final surface (like carpet or tile) the floor is nice and smooth.

The use of this product in no way indicates that the floor was only mildly damaged.
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DulceDecorum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-27-05 08:35 PM
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7. The floor was hardly damaged
and the fire in the Pentagon kept re-igniting
just like a fake-plane training fire
which is fed by propane,
controlled by instructors
and "extinguished" by students who use plain old WATER.

Those Penta-trainees
used SO MUCH WATER
that Munter's had to be called in
after the Public Relations photo-op was discontinued.

In addition to the impact of the crash itself, water damage from shattered sprinklers and water lines also added to the devastation. Millions of gallons of water flowed throughout the building after the attack. In some areas, water was 18 inches deep.
http://www.pmmag.com/CDA/ArticleInformation/features/BNP__Features__Item/0,2379,78586,00.html

All the better for the jet fuel to float on.
All the better to destroy electrical circuitry.
All the better to electrocute all the Penta-people.
All the better to refute the Offal Story the Penta-media keeps telling us.

September 26, 2001
The media group, which also trains the Army’s top brass on how to deal with the press, received a direct hit to its offices when American Airlines Flight 77, hijacked by terrorists, rammed through three outer rings of the Pentagon’s west side. Two trainers working 100 feet from the blast used their bare hands to claw through crumbling walls and climb over burning debris to escape with minor injuries. The Army media staff were the only media team of all the services to be displaced from their offices as a result of the crash.
The Army media team spent three days after the attack responding to a deluge of requests from journalists around the world for first-person accounts of what happened at the crash site, said Col. Tom Begines, chief of the media relations team. Now the team has shifted to its customary role, feeding an international clamor for news on how the U.S. military plans to combat terrorism worldwide.
Barred from their offices, which are part of an FBI crime scene, media relations staffers are working in temporary quarters in nearby federal buildings, the BASEMENT OF THE PENTAGON of the Pentagon and from their own homes, and without full access to phones and computers.
<snip>
In the wake of the attack, media relations personnel went into 24-hour-a-day mode in the Army Operations Center IN THE BASEMENT OF THE PENTAGON. They’ve yet to stop. Soldiers with video cameras shot crash site footage that was used to brief military leaders and the press. Two Army photographers snapped pictures that international media organizations used in their reporting.
http://www.govexec.com/dailyfed/0901/092601h1.htm

From inside to outside, the five rings of buildings are labeled A through E. The airliner entered the ground floor of the west face of the E ring and penetrated through the C ring. Where the airplane struck, the impact, explosion, and fire brought down all five stories and created a hole about 100 feet (30 meters) wide. In the surrounding area, the newly stiffened walls remained only partly damaged or not at all.
The primary structure of the Pentagon is 42,420 steel-reinforced concrete columns. Of these, only 32 were destroyed and 15 seriously damaged. As recovery efforts continue, the structure is being shored up with pressure-treated wood posts to protect against further collapses.
http://www.architectureweek.com/2001/1003/news_1-2.html

In December 1996, the Deputy Secretary of Defense directed that Wedge 1 be vacated by December 1997, and the construction of Wedge 1 to start by FY 1998. Renovation of above-ground areas of the Pentagon began with Wedge 1. Work is centered around Corridors 3 and 4.
The renovation work involves the demolition and removal of all partitions, ceilings, floor finishes, mechanical, electrical, plumbing, fire protection, and communications systems. The basic structural system, as well as the stairwells and their enclosing walls, will remain.
http://renovation.pentagon.mil/history-renovation.htm

November 1998
Locked away in a vault in the Pentagon’s bowels, Staff Sgt. Gregory Bonner has gotten used to his cramped cubicle, comfy and cozy as an airplane lavatory. He’s even acclimatized himself to the basement’s dankness and wildly fluctuating temperatures. The air-conditioning system literally blows hot and cold simultaneously.
He’s endured blizzards of black soot, sleeting down from ventilation ducts that are made from solid asbestos. He’s waded through ooze up to his ankles after a burst sewage pipe spewed slime into his office. He’s lived with legions of foot-long Potomac River rats that gnawed through wires and cables, and devoured packages of Ramen noodles (plastic wrappers and all) stowed in his desk.
He grins and bears these inconveniences and umpteen more, the price for toiling in the nether regions of what insiders call the “Building.” But what bugs Bonner the most – his Pentagon pet peeve – are the power outages. Without warning, some 30 times daily in localized areas throughout the building, the lights blink out and zap! – computer screens go blank and data disappears, permanently.
http://www.af.mil/news/airman/1198/pen.htm

The columns that were in the Pentagon basement in November 2998
are the self-same columns that are there now.
And the floor they were holding up,
IS THE SAME,
(minus a few alterations)
EXCEPT
for the self-leveling layer of Ardex K-15.
And in case you are wondering WHY
DulceDecorum is confident that
any gouges in the floor were less than five inches thick,
read on.

The buildings’ floor slabs are composed of 5.5 inches of steel-reinforced concrete. To add further to the total mass of concrete that makes up the Pentagon, “concrete ramps instead of elevators were used to connect the floors,” according to the Department of Defense’s History of the Pentagon. The same source adds that, “By 30 April 1942, about eight months after ground breaking, the contractor completed the first two sections of the building and War Department personnel began to move in.” http://www.greatbuildings.com/buildings/The_Pentagon.html

Yup, you got it.
the flipping Penta-floors are only five and a half inches thick.

The point here is to emphasize the number of thick, dense, reinforced concrete obstacles that would hinder the forward progress of any projectile attempting to pass through the Pentagon. To cleanly penetrate just one ring would require blasting through two 24” thick masonry walls, several masonry interior walls (notice the cross-section of "E" ring provided by the post-collapse photos), numerous concrete support columns, and maybe a concrete ramp or a concrete transformer room. Also, since a 757 fuselage (see below -- and notice, in the front view, the 'pods' visible on the underside) would not easily fit between floors, and since the official story claims that the plane entered between the first and second floors, it would have to rip its way horizontally through a considerable amount of steel-reinforced concrete floor slab.
http://www.davesweb.cnchost.com/nwsltr68b.html

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Sweet Pea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-26-05 03:46 PM
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4. Could you provide....
The link to the "Pentagon Floor Database"?

:D
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DulceDecorum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-27-05 08:38 PM
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8. Only if
you tell me where Olive Oil gets you those cute little onesies.
:shrug:
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soundhead Donating Member (93 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-26-05 09:26 PM
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5. You're kidding, right?
You have to be joking about that interpretation of what the reporter is saying. Everything he says points towards the conclusion that a commercial airliner did not hit the Pentagon that day.

"There is no evidence of a plane having crashed anywhere NEAR the Pentagon..." means that he sees the only incident scene at the Pentagon that day, and there is no airliner or airliner parts at that scene. He seems to be clarifying that yes, it's possible the airliner has crashed somewhere else and that this scene at the Pentagon may be connected to that crash in some way, but the airliner is definitely not at the P5.

He seems to shut the door on any doubt when he goes further and tells us that the wall didn't even collapse straight away, but that it fell 45 minutes after whatever "event" happened there initially.

Okay. What did happen at the Pentagon that day? I honestly haven't heard one good theory about what happened (or why.) However, I have a strong feeling that whatever happened, it didn't go quite to plan. Something (not sure what) seems to have gone wrong in some way.
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LARED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-27-05 08:05 AM
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6. I agree
Prisonplanet has provided an excellent example of 9/11 sophistry.

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