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Minstrel Boy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-26-05 07:59 PM
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Globe and Mail: HS Thompson had found evidence for WTC explosives
Edited on Sat Feb-26-05 08:01 PM by Minstrel Boy
FYI, This is Canada's paper of record

Alexander Pope in a prose convertible
What mattered wasn't the ‘gonzo' myth, writes PAUL WILLIAM ROBERTS, but Hunter S. Thompson's writing — hilarious, honest and full of insight into power

PAUL WILLIAM ROBERTS
26 February 2005
The Globe and Mail



Hunter telephoned me on Feb. 19, the night before his death. He sounded scared. It wasn't always easy to understand what he said, particularly over the phone, he mumbled, yet when there was something he really wanted you to understand, you did. He'd been working on a story about the World Trade Center attacks and had stumbled across what he felt was hard evidence showing the towers had been brought down not by the airplanes that flew into them but by explosive charges set off in their foundations. Now he thought someone was out to stop him publishing it: “They're gonna make it look like suicide,” he said. “I know how these bastards think . . .”

That's how I imagine a tribute to Hunter S. Thompson should begin. He was indeed working on such a story, but it wasn't what killed him. He exercised his own option to do that. As he said to more than one person, “I would feel real trapped in this life if I didn't know I could commit suicide at any time.”

It is an ironic end for one who deplored above all things the media trend toward self-censorship, often citing Orwell on the subject. Now, he exists only in a dozen books and countless magazine and newspaper articles. Did the good doctor write himself into literary immortality? This is all that matters now.

...

With the advent of George W. Bush, who brought with him the most reactionary elements from the Reagan administration, Mr. Thompson was all but lost for words. He was able to see the further betrayal of conservatism the new regime entailed, and bemoaned the fact of a prosperous peaceful country turned back into a debtor nation at war.



The complete story is available online only to paid subscribers:
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SpiralHawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-26-05 08:04 PM
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1. Hunter lashes out with a Shotgun Blast from the grave
Edited on Sat Feb-26-05 08:06 PM by SpiralHawk
Give 'em hell. Or at least stir the BushCo shit pot. it is totally rank with PNAC and neo-con corrupto-stink emanating from the LIHOP of 9/11.

"An evil exists that threatens every man, woman and child of this great nation , we must take steps to ensure our domestic security and protect our homeland."
-Adolf Hitler
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-26-05 09:28 PM
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19. Maybe that's why it happened?
Edited on Sat Feb-26-05 09:28 PM by FreedomAngel82
I don't know. But I knew they had bombs in those towers. Just didn't make sense. Did anybody ever see this program that was of a French network following around firefighters and they weren't aloud to show this because they showed a firefighter talking about bombs going off? I found this on Kazaa in the documentary section if anybody is wondering.
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HEyHEY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-26-05 08:05 PM
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2. It doesn't say he had evidence, it says he was working on a such a story
Which could mean a few things.
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Toucano Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-26-05 08:33 PM
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11. Look again.
"...and had stumbled across what he felt was hard evidence..."
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RadicalMom Donating Member (734 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-26-05 09:14 PM
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17. Reread the context of the line you are quoting. The shocking first
Edited on Sat Feb-26-05 09:14 PM by RadicalMom
paragraph is followed by a statement by the writer, "that it is how I imagine a tribute to HST should begin." It does not say that paragraph was true at all.
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Toucano Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-26-05 09:41 PM
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24. Of course.
Thank you.
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HEyHEY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-26-05 10:11 PM
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41. nevermind
Edited on Sat Feb-26-05 10:11 PM by HEyHEY
the other guy pointed it out
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-26-05 08:07 PM
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3. C'mon, the man was seriously disturbed
He needed psychology intervention!

I would like to know if he had any prior history of psychosis.
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NVMojo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-26-05 08:12 PM
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4. Like he was worse than the Shrub?
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SHRED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-26-05 08:13 PM
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5. Have you ever thought...
that maybe he was just too sane for the insanity of this world?

R.I.P. Hunter.
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HEyHEY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-26-05 08:25 PM
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6. Oh yeah that makes sense
Someone who propels a syringe full of whiskey into his gut is far too sane.
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yella_dawg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-26-05 08:55 PM
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16. Please clarify...
Are you saying that Thompson's fear that he would be suicided by the BFEE is obviously deranged ravings, since he was crazy enough to commit suicide???


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HEyHEY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-26-05 10:10 PM
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40. I'm just arguing that he was not too sane for this world
But, if you read the article, we was WORKING on a story, what he knew or didn't know is all speculative. As well, if he knew anything about the BFEE he would've spilled it long ago.
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Elidor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-26-05 09:37 PM
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23. Did he try that? That sounds like him, the crazy fucker
When did he ever shrink from anything like that? He was balls out. Sanity has nothing to do with it.
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-26-05 08:25 PM
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7. Suicide is a tragedy that happens to people with serious personal issues
It is also the ultimate ego trip and a selfish act. If you don't believe me go to the funeral of someone that has killed himself/herself and see for yourself the tremendous pain that their self-inflicted deaths have brought to their families, loved ones, and friends.

Hunter needed intervention!
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HEyHEY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-26-05 08:28 PM
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9. Permanent solution to a temporary problem
However, he was nutty enough to have done because he wanted to go out on his terms. Maybe he even had an undisclosed illnes.
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Sal Minella Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-26-05 08:38 PM
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14. The time to say a Holy No when the time for Yes is past
was the way Fred Nietzsche put it, if I remember right.
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-26-05 09:29 PM
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20. Just a little quote
"All people are sane in terms of insanity." ;)
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-26-05 08:26 PM
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8. more
Yet his own interest in politics was more pragmatic than is immediately obvious. He knew that the person who occupies the White House is the one who wants it most and is willing to do anything to get there. Decent men rarely make it. So it is a citizen's duty to play close attention to those jockeying for the position of chief executive.

The blandness of political writing when Mr. Thompson first began to publish was, in his eyes, part of the problem. Its fake objectivity permitted the most diabolical deeds to be recounted without comment, as if the writer had no opinion — so the reader need not have one either. This style is still pervasive, lulling voters into believing politicians were all honourable men with the country's best interests at heart, instead of grasping greedy thugs.

Mr. Thompson was among the first to realize that the same corporations that owned the media also bankrolled the politicians. He had been to Oz and seen the nervous little man who was its wizard, and he never ceased to see the skull beneath a politician's smooth tanned skin.

For all of this, however, his political ideas were more libertarian than liberal. He was a frontiersman, a cowboy, believing in an individual's right to live any way he wished as long as it didn't interfere with the rights of others. A government's job was to stay out of the way. Terms such as “right” and “left” meant little to him. As a consequence, he numbered among his friends as many conservatives as he did liberals, finding as much to like about, say, Pat Buchanan as he did about Allen Ginsberg, and even finding Richard Nixon preferable to Bill Clinton.

To my mind, it was a political stance firmly planted in the soil of the American Founding Fathers, and in common sense. As such, it is something we could do with a lot more of, both there and here.

Thanks MB
:hi:
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chlamor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-26-05 09:26 PM
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18. Your Posts
are always insightful and as I scan through threads often read the entirety of your comment. Hunter loved freedom and not just his own but the spirit of the damned thing.
R.I.P. Hunter Thompson
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peacetalksforall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-26-05 08:31 PM
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10. There was paranoia throughout his life, but there was also
Edited on Sat Feb-26-05 08:32 PM by higher class
biting truth.

Now it's all going to start - with vengeance - the depth and breadth of his craziness to substantiate dis-belief in everything he ever said or wrote. It's coming in buckets. From the left and the likes of Michelle Malkin, Goldberg, Coulter, and Horowitz as operatives for the right.

Time will tell if he preserved his thoughts and findings about the explosives, if true....anyone taking bets on the books to come that will mention this?

I prefer to hope that he did investigate. I hope it's true.
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sportndandy Donating Member (710 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-26-05 08:33 PM
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12. I spent all day 9/11 and 9/12 swearing up and down
that the buildings had been imploded. I changed my mind after the "facts" came out, but now I am sure that my first impression was correct.

I would be shocked if HST really suicided, especially now with word that he was working to expose the truth. Oh, I read what his wife said, and I believe that only as far as I believe in the tooth fairy. If he was murdered for his silence, the culprits would surely have planned on prepping a few "credible witnesses" to glue it all together. Who more credible than his son and his widow? Why would they lie? Maybe they are dealing with their own threatening situation. Something like, "if you tell the truth you will wish we would simply blow your head off."
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Clark2008 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-26-05 08:45 PM
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15. I wondered if they had been built with the explosives in them
to keep them from falling sideways and creating more damage.
Personally, I don't think there's anything wrong with that - it minimizes the damage if a skyscraper implodes in its own footprint.
However, the tragedy is that no one was told of this either beforehand or shortly after the WTC implosion.
I guess people wouldn't want to work in a building if they knew there were explosives in it to cause a toppling building to implode, but, after the fact, there's no sense in keeping it from the public at large. We all know the top of at least Tower 1 was getting ready to fall over - that much we can see from the videos.
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ashmanonar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-26-05 10:01 PM
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35. yea, i agree with you there.
your first impression is always the clearest. once you start to think about it and try to decipher it, it gets blurry.
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Warpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-26-05 08:36 PM
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13. Are people still trying to peddle this bullcrap?
My gawd, how very prescient of them to drill invisible holes in all those supports and plant explosives that weren't detonated by the initial blast but were detonated at leisure long after, exactly where a plane would hit the building.

Or maybe they were superhumans who were able to do two weeks' worth of work placing and wiring charges in the middle of a 1500 degree fire without having those explosives detonate until they were ready, and without having anybody notice a demolition team running up the crowded stairwells ahead of the cops and firefighters.

Or maybe there was a miracle explosive invented in the 70s, one which didn't degrade overtime into uselessness, and was wired floor by floor into the WTC to be detonated at leisure in the basement, in a part that the blast of 1993 hadn't destroyed.

Or maybe it happened just the way engineers said it did, with an intense fire softening the cross braces holding the outer skin to the inner core and the whole thing pancaked down as a result of that.

Spare me.
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karlrschneider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-26-05 09:36 PM
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22. Thank you. Sometimes I despair at the bullshit I see here, even in the
midst of much insightful analysis. :eyes:
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troubleinwinter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-26-05 10:06 PM
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38. Huh. Claims by a suicidal man
quoted in an article I can't even access.

Whatever.
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-26-05 10:06 PM
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39. If it's coming from
someone connected to THIS government I don't know. I wouldn't trust anybody connected to BushCo for anything.
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karlrschneider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-26-05 09:32 PM
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21. Jesus...
I am speechless. too bad there's not one short word meaning "what unadulterated, unmitigated crapola"...
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Guaranteed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-26-05 09:43 PM
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25. STOP IT.
This is ridiculous.

You're destroying our credibility.
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Stop_the_War Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-26-05 09:45 PM
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26. BAH!
Edited on Sat Feb-26-05 09:46 PM by Stop_the_War
Hitler burned the Reichstag in order to gain power and he blamed it on another man.

Don't you think the neo-cons could have done the same?
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Guaranteed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-26-05 09:47 PM
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28. Yeah, they could have, but that's not the case here.
Edited on Sat Feb-26-05 09:48 PM by BullGooseLoony
Thompson did this to himself.

On edit: I saw him on Letterman (or the Daily Show- one of the two) a couple of months ago. He was messed up. He was ready to go. Come on, people.
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Stop_the_War Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-26-05 09:48 PM
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29. I'm talking about 9/11
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Guaranteed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-26-05 09:50 PM
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30. And also Thompson.
But, no, there was no MIHOP.

LIHOP is very conceivable. But there were definitely no explosives, in the building, or on the plane.
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Stop_the_War Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-26-05 09:53 PM
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31. There were explosives in the WTC...n/t
Edited on Sat Feb-26-05 09:53 PM by Stop_the_War
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Guaranteed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-26-05 09:56 PM
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32. Not on 9/11. nt
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Minstrel Boy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-26-05 09:59 PM
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33. This is a story in today's Globe and Mail.
Write a letter to the editor about their credibility.
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ashmanonar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-26-05 10:02 PM
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36. what credibility?
i think that's been long destroyed by the people at the head of the party. maybe dean can bring it back, i don't know. all i know is that we've been the party of freaks and lunatics for a long time. (strange, the dichotomy on that...)
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Guaranteed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-26-05 10:17 PM
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42. I know.
It's hilarious.

On the one side we've got the whores blowing in the wind. No credibility.

On the other side....man, whatever.
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Wrinkle_In_Time Donating Member (664 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-26-05 10:05 PM
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37. I agree with 50% of your post...
... This is ridiculous.
The OP had no credibility in my eyes that could be destroyed.

That subject line: "HS Thompson had found evidence for WTC explosives" is a load of horseshit (thank you TNA). There was no "evidence".

This horseshit cheapens HST's memory.
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eleny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-26-05 09:45 PM
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27. So he was working on MIHOP
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ignatius 2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-26-05 10:00 PM
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34. A prosperous peaceful country turned back into a debtor nation at
war..wow!..that pretty much seems it up now, doesn't it?
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vincent_vega_lives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-27-05 08:30 AM
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43. Hard evidence?
seen on the INTERNET most likley.

...he felt was hard evidence showing the towers had been brought down not by the airplanes that flew into them but by explosive charges set off in their foundations.

It was pretty obvious to any observer that the crash locations and not the building's foundations were the initiation point of both collapses, otherwise they would have fallen like WTC7. :eyes:
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NecessaryOnslaught Donating Member (691 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-27-05 09:10 AM
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44. The bullshit armchair psychology in this thread is a fucking disgrace.
Edited on Sun Feb-27-05 09:17 AM by NecessaryOnslaught
What a fucking joke. GO BACK TO SLEEP

RIP Hunter.
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