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demodewd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-16-05 09:20 AM
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Observations pointing to use of mini Hydrogen Bomb
Edited on Sat Apr-16-05 09:22 AM by demodewd
from the writings of a Finnish military expert http://members.surfeu.fi/11syyskuu/soldier4.htm



some of his observations
The concrete pulverized into fine dust, 70…300 micron particles (just this could take more energy than the total gravitational energy available).

Very energetic –hot– dust after the explosions (demolition charges would produce white clouds of dust, which would not move much, and gravity-driven collapse would produce much less and more coarse dust)

Brown shades of color seen in the air –these are produced by nuclear reactions of a thermonuclear device.

8) In the cellar, from all of the 47 ultra strong steel pillars, the steel was melted completely more than over 20 meters length. Even cars were melted and burned in the cellar.

Steel columns and pillars were ejected in the surroundings of the building. In the beginning of the so called collapse, there exists no such energy that could throw steel pillars outwards 60 to 175 meters from trunk.

more...http://members.surfeu.fi/11syyskuu/soldier4.htm
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Sweet Pea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-16-05 03:25 PM
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1. Ummm....first question...
Why wouldn't this "mini-hydrogen bomb" blow out the base of the building and have the collapse start there rather than havign it start on the floors where the planes hit?
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demodewd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-16-05 04:56 PM
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2. according to..
Edited on Sat Apr-16-05 04:58 PM by demodewd
According to the theory that I am presenting but not necessarily embracing,the nuke was connected to the core columns at the base and the whitish rows of billows of pulverized cement and gypsum were caused by shaped charges.


The Finnish military man includes both a mini nuke and shaped charges in his theory. I should have included that idea in the original post.

What strikes me about the photo is the sheer power, velocity and heat of that inner cloud that rises well above the pulverized billows.I can't imagine a gravitational collapse causing such a phenomenon.
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demodewd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-18-05 07:11 PM
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3. kick
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Make7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-22-05 07:08 AM
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4. Observations contradicting the use of a mini Hydrogen Bomb
1) Bill Butler
2) Sal D'Agostino
3) Tom Falco
4) Jay Jonas
5) Matt Komorowski
6) Mike Meldrum

These are the firefighters from Ladder 6 that were in the North Tower when it collapsed. They survived. They were at, or below, the 5th floor of stairway B.

So...if this "pure-fusion nuclear bomb" was set off to melt the core at the base of the building and was also highly directional towards the top of the tower, how is it that these six firefighters from Ladder 6 did not get vaporized?
-Make7
BTW - For those interested in how events unfolded for these men that day, here is but one of the numerous accounts that can be found on the web:

http://www.projo.com/words/st20021016.htm
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demodewd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-22-05 09:18 AM
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5. Make7
Thank you for your response.

What distance would the vaporizing take hold with a mini-nuke?.Would the fire fighters be protected somewhat in the stairwell area?

I contributed this article for comment and don't necessarily subscribe to it. I do believe the 47 columns were intentionally blown out and this was the initial cause of the nearly free fall event.

Thanks for the link.
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Make7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-23-05 10:30 PM
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6. Duck and Cover.
Doing some rough calculations, in order for this to work how the author proposes, I would estimate that the "fusion bomb", at a very minimum, would have to vaporize steel up to about 100ft away. (Based on the dimensions of the core, the depth of the basement levels, and this quote: "In the cellar, from all of the 47 ultra strong steel pillars, the steel was melted completely more than over 20 meters length." - http://members.surfeu.fi/11syyskuu/soldier4.htm)

Now also based on the dimensions of the building, I estimate that the farthest distance the people in the stairway could be from the "fusion bomb" is around 150ft. So if it vaporizes steel at 100 feet, I do not think it would be possible for humans to survive at 150 feet.

We also have to keep in mind that the "fusion bomb" was supposed to direct its energy upward. Here is the author describing the bomb:
"The thermonuclear bomb used was a “pure” hydrogen bomb, so no Uranium or Plutonium at all. The basic nuclear reaction is Deuterium + Tritium > Alpha + n. The ignition of this is the Fine part, either with powerful beam array or antimatter (in a very certain way to get the necessary directed-energy effect, in order not to level the adjacent blocks of high-rise buildings, too)." - http://members.surfeu.fi/11syyskuu/soldier2.htm
If he believes the blast would be powerful enough to "level the adjacent blocks of high-rise buildings" unless properly directed, then I think we can assume that people 150 ft or less from the bomb would not be able to survive.

Later on, he describes the effect of the "fusion bomb":
"In its way upwards the heat and pressure waves partially penetrated about 100 floors of concrete and steel. Ten million+ degrees of heat from a hydrogen bomb sublimised all water within concrete in a moment. Water exploded momentary into 24-fold volume and totally pulverized the concrete. Even people and computers that were there disappeared into heath and light, that is why almost nothing of them was foud in the ruins." - http://members.surfeu.fi/11syyskuu/soldier5.htm

If the bomb vaporized the water in the concrete, it would do the same to any people unfortunate enough to be in its path. The odds of survival would have to be extremely low in that situation. He states that almost nothing is found of the people in the building, but we have just over a dozen people who survived the collapse in this stairwell.

From what I have heard the stairway walls were only constructed of fire-rated sheetrock. That will hold off a fire for a couple of hours, but I don't think it would offer any protection from a "fusion bomb."
-Make7
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demodewd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-24-05 10:18 AM
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7. good points
You make very good points. I'm still inclined to believe that the core columns were brought down by explosives of some kind.
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