WOW -- Another flight 93 SMOKING GUN

[spooked911]

Again this quote is from Jere Longman: "Among the Heroes", Harper Collins, New York, NY, copyright 2002.

Page 161-- the call of passenger Linda Gronlund to her sister.

"'I want to let you know how much I love you; please tell Mom and Dad', Linda said. 'I don't know if I'll be able to tell you again in person how much I love you. I hope I will. I'm really going to miss you.' Then she said goodbye."

Emphasis added.

Okay-- does this sound like someone who is about to die? Or does this sound like someone who has to go away for a long time and take a new identity?

This is the clincher for me. I have to think that the passengers are still alive somewhere else. This mirrors Operation Northwoods perfectly.

[hack89]

1. Sounds like someone not willing to accept death...

wouldn't you be wishing and praying for a miracle? Just because you would just sit there fatalistically accepting death doesn't mean everyone else would. I would be holding on to any hope I could grasp.

Smoking guns like this undermine your case if this is the best you have.

[seatnineb]

2. Wrong.

How bout' Edward Felt saying at 9:58 am that there is smoke in the plane.

But Edward Felt is in the toilet which is next to the galley where Flight Attendents Sandy Bradshaw and Cee Cee Lyles are pouring hot water into pitchers to attack those lil ol' wily Arabs.

We know because Cee Cee phoned her husband Lorne also at 9:58am.

But Cee Cee does not mention any smoke.

Or is this the kind of bullshit official conspiracy that is too hot for you to handle.

[hack89]

5. What does this have to do with how Linda Gronlund faced death?

Linda Gronlund is not much of a smoking gun was the ONLY point I was trying to make.

[seatnineb]

6. Nothing.

But this is still about bullshit calls made from fl93.

So how do you reconcile Felt and Lyles.

At 9:58am Felt hears an explosion and sees smoke.

At 9:58am Lyles is pouring hot water to attack the Hijackers.

Felt is in the Toilet and on a phone

Lyles is in the galley and on a phone.

The galley is next to the toilet.

Are these 2 on the same plane.

If they are........how do you explain the discrepancy.

[hack89]

7. Perhaps not every watch and clock on the planet are set to the same time?

[John Doe II]

8. Time

The 9:58 time of Felt's phone call to an emeregency dispatcher is quite beyound doubt. The call was monitored and recorded. And I guess that the clocks of emergency dispatchers are pretty precise.
The time of other phone calls that mention 9:58 are supported by the fact that officially acknowledged the passengers assault started at 9:57 and 9:58.

[seatnineb]

9. Tell that to the FBI!

Ed's call was made at 9:58 a.m. In a conversation with dispatchers lasting about one minute, he spoke in a quivering voice saying, "We are being hijacked. We are being hijacked.
<snip>
They were joined by two FBI agents and a victim-assistance counselor.

http://www.post-gazette.com/nation/20020421flight930421p1.asp

[dbeach]

3. The facts are that nobody but the perps know the facts...

This was posted at liberty forum that the passenegers are ALLL still alive..I cannot locate the link..

This conspiracy is surrounded by interlocking conspiracies that keep truth seekers off the real TRUTH...

Brilliant but not new design...the criminals first got their patsies..Arab muslim terrists..from there is anybodys guess but I say lots of bribe money was thrown around and lots of brainwashing ..like 9/11 is to protect the USA and our alies..

Many of the 9/11 participants believed in their acts..sacrifice the few to save the many...

Google in barbara olson and her 9/11 phone call {which was received by teddy olson who helped install herr bush in 11/00 coup..there is no record of this phone call only the word of teddy olson who recenly retired at at age 56 or so...}


http://www.apfn.net/messageboard/7-09-03/discussion.cgi.73.html

"New Evidence suggests What Actually Happened on 911
In October 2001 two articles appeared on the web which provided the first clues to what really happened. One was Carol Valentine's "Operation 911: NO SUICIDE PILOTS". This article drew attention to the possibility of remote control of a large jet aircraft. That this technology exists is public knowledge. It was developed by Northrop Grumman for use in Global Hawk, an automated American military jet with the wingspan of a Boeing 737. (For further details about Global Hawk see Operation 911: NO SUICIDE PILOTS.) Since it is possible to control a Boeing 757 or 767 by means of remote control, might not the jets which hit the Twin Towers and the Pentagon (assuming that more than one did) have been remotely controlled? In which case there would be no need to maintain the improbable hypothesis that the four jets were simultaneously hijacked by nineteen on-board Arab terrorists.
The other article discussing the possibility of remote control of Boeing aircraft was Joe Vialls' "Home Run: Electronically Hijacking the World Trade Center Attack Aircraft". "

[LARED]

4. This is the clincher for you?

This statement from a women that believed she was not going to live much longer has convinced you that the passengers are alive. Please tell me your kidding.

Frankly if this type of information clinches it you you, it is no wonder the CT crowd will grasp onto anything in hopes of finding the truth. You really need to rethink this one.

[spooked911]

10. By itself, it is merly weird, but in the larger context of a

live-fly hijacking exercise on 9/11, pre-9/11 terror drills on airplanes, multiple discrepencies in the flight 93 calls, the ongoing cover-up of most things related to 9/11, the forewarnings of 9/11, the operation northwoods plan, and so forth, it is the clincher for me.

In any case, what did she say that indicated she thought she wasn't going to live much longer? She said "I'm going to miss you"-- is that the words of someone who thinks they are going to die? I don't know if I will be able to tell you "in person"-- is that the words of someone who thinks they are going to die?

[meppie-meppie not]

12. at the death bed of a dear mate's recently, I told her

I would miss her, she told me I'd be ok and to live happy with her in my heart. This type of conversation has been repeated with a number of people I've had the blessing to share their deaths with. In light of these experiences I find the callers words very odd and for me they just don't pass the "Blink" test.

[ladjf]

11. I can't believe that. Why would they be left alive?

That would be hundreds of potential witnesses, any one could completely bring them down. I don't believe a word the gov. is saying about the 9-11 attacks. But,the idea that the passengers are alive somewhere is the wildest notion I've heard as yet.

[meppie-meppie not]

13. I think the passengers at that time may have been under the belief that

they would remain alive later in another location or something but that they were disposed of just as those in the towers were for the very reason's you state.

[spooked911]

16. I agree it is wild. But the government was contemplating it in the

Operation Northwoods plan.

I know the idea seems very risky-- keeping these people alive-- but the government obviously does a lot of strange things in the name of "national security".

I would say the whole idea is ridiculous except for the overall oddities of the flight: the unlikeliness of the hijacking itself, the inconsistencies and weirdness of several phone calls and the strange crash scene. Then there is the fact that before 9/11 there were "terror drills" with civilians that that mimicked a plane hijacking. I just have to wonder if the flight 93 hijacking was staged somehow as well.

[stickdog]

14. "Mom, this is Mark Bingham." (nt)

[mirandapriestly]

15. That one still has me laughing

imagine calling your mom and identifying yourself by your first and last name.

[Last Lemming]

17. Not exactly a smoking gun

but maybe a few bullet casings on the floor

[RedSock]

18. i'm not impressed by this

My take:

"I don't know if I'll be able to tell you again in person how much I love you. I hope I will. I'm really going to miss you."

The passengers believed -- or I'm sure they wanted to believe -- they would survive the hijacking. If they did, then she would see her loved one in person again and be able to tell her how much she loved her. But she's not sure if she will be able to do that -- she may die. Seems pretty simple to me.

"Miss you?" Just panic, it's certainly not a rehearsed speech. Perhaps she's a strong believer in the afterlife.

**

I like your stuff, spooked, but I think this is weak. It certainly would never convince a normal Murkan news watcher of anything. In fact, it would probably make us look silly to assert this as proof of anything or even as a weird question mark.

YMMV.

[spooked911]

20. Yes, I got a little carried away. I agree it is not likely to convince

anyone by itself. For me it was the clincher because I was just going over all the calls and they were strange, plus the hijacking was strange, and the crash scene was strange.

I guess I'd thought I'd found a little gem that showed that the whole thing was fake, but if you're not inclined to think that, it doesn't mean much, I agree.

[undeterred]

19. It doesn't mean much of anything to me.

Even if there were a plan to take everyone away for a long time and give them new identities- it doesn't make sense that she would have been informed of it AND given the chance to call family.

I would imagine its pretty hard to remember the exact words of what is said during a crisis call even a few minutes later. Its like the doctor telling the patient that they have cancer, they don't hear anything else during the first conversation about it.

I wouldn't draw any conclusions from it other than that she was afraid she might die and never see her family again.

[Woody Box]

21. Linda Gronlund

told her sister in this half-a-minute-call the combination of her safe-deposit box and how much she loved her. We know his from Lisa Beamer and other sources.

She knew she was going to die, she had just a few seconds to talk to her beloved sister, and she tells her the number of her safe? Is this so important?

I always wondered why she did this. Did she want to corroborate her identity - that she was indeed Linda Gronlund?

[JackRiddler]

22. people say the funniest things

They even rearrange deck chairs on the Titanic.

I find this entirely believable. Have you had any rehearsal with near-death experiences to know what you'll say? You might find yourself blurting out something about remembering to make sure the oven is off.

[spooked911]

23. Wow, great find. Mr. Longman left that out from his book

one wonders how much else he left out that was in the phone calls.

It seems to me Linda Gronlund let slip a lot more than some of the other people making flight 93 phone calls. She clearly had some unusual things on her mind for someone in that situation.

Just what was in that Safety Deposit box?