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smoogatz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-07-05 09:07 AM Original message |
If flight 77 didn't hit the Pentagon, what happened to it? |
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MercutioATC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-07-05 10:06 AM Response to Original message |
1. Sssshhhhh! You're beginning to make sense... |
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smoogatz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-07-05 10:32 AM Response to Reply #1 |
2. Maybe it's in the Bermuda Triangle? Or parked in a hangar |
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MercutioATC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-07-05 12:47 PM Response to Reply #2 |
3. I believe the CW here is that it was flown over the Atlantic and ditched. |
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smoogatz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-07-05 01:55 PM Response to Reply #3 |
6. There's also the small matter of floating debris |
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janedoe (540 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-07-05 04:03 PM Response to Reply #6 |
9. How to disappear a 757 |
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smoogatz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-07-05 04:58 PM Response to Reply #9 |
12. Makes no sense, Ms. Doe |
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janedoe (540 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-07-05 05:10 PM Response to Reply #12 |
14. Who could fly a 757 into the pentagon? |
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smoogatz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-07-05 05:30 PM Response to Reply #14 |
19. Well, according to the Pentagon website-- |
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MercutioATC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-07-05 05:51 PM Response to Reply #14 |
25. I think the misconception is that it was "supposed" to hit EXACTLY where |
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philb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-07-05 11:03 PM Response to Reply #25 |
46. FAA radar documented Fl 77 couldn't have hit Pentagon; and |
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smoogatz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-08-05 12:23 PM Response to Reply #46 |
71. The Pentagon's in Arlington, VA, |
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philb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-10-05 09:26 PM Response to Reply #71 |
157. Actually the Detroit News story was not my main reference. |
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MercutioATC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-07-05 05:08 PM Response to Reply #6 |
13. Concrete pulverizes - aluminum shreds. |
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janedoe (540 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-07-05 05:17 PM Response to Reply #13 |
17. Burn it first? |
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smoogatz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-07-05 05:36 PM Response to Reply #17 |
21. Ridiculous. |
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MercutioATC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-07-05 05:45 PM Response to Reply #17 |
23. I don't know enough about the properties of missile warheads, but |
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smoogatz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-07-05 07:20 PM Response to Reply #23 |
31. Impossible. AA missiles are designed to punch a hole and then frag |
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MercutioATC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-07-05 07:31 PM Response to Reply #31 |
33. That's what I was thinking... |
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Sweet Pea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-08-05 02:15 AM Response to Reply #31 |
55. Correct-a-mundo |
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janedoe (540 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-07-05 07:35 PM Response to Reply #23 |
35. Aluminum vaporizes more easily with lower air pressure |
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MercutioATC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-08-05 05:35 AM Response to Reply #35 |
63. Yes, it might melt at a lower temp...that's not the issue. |
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janedoe (540 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-08-05 11:31 AM Response to Reply #63 |
69. Actually, it evaporates *before* it melts. |
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MercutioATC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-09-05 01:54 AM Response to Reply #69 |
94. I don't believe that's physically possible. |
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Klimmer (426 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-09-05 11:33 AM Response to Reply #94 |
116. No one should be talking about vaporizing an aircraft eventhough. . . |
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MercutioATC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-12-05 12:25 PM Response to Reply #116 |
177. You're right. |
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spooked911 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-07-05 12:53 PM Response to Original message |
4. Oh my god! I never thought of that! |
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smoogatz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-07-05 01:13 PM Response to Reply #4 |
5. Okay--but how? |
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spooked911 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-07-05 06:30 PM Response to Reply #5 |
28. Several possibilities-- pick one you like |
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MercutioATC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-07-05 06:57 PM Response to Reply #28 |
29. Silly me. I've been using RADAR all of these years, believing it worked. |
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spooked911 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-07-05 07:45 PM Response to Reply #29 |
36. Were you personally tracking the plane that day on radar? |
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MercutioATC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-08-05 05:09 AM Response to Reply #36 |
58. No, I wasn't. |
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philb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-13-05 12:27 PM Response to Reply #29 |
179. Apparently you haven't paid attention to the official reports about radar |
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philb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-13-05 12:35 PM Response to Reply #179 |
180. And which version of Flight 11 did the FAA radar show hit WTC1? |
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smoogatz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-07-05 07:18 PM Response to Reply #28 |
30. Um, okay-- |
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spooked911 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-07-05 07:46 PM Response to Reply #30 |
37. Better control over the plane if you swap flight 77 with a drone |
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smoogatz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-07-05 08:37 PM Response to Reply #37 |
40. I know about Northwoods |
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spooked911 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-07-05 11:37 PM Response to Reply #40 |
49. Fair enough. There are a few things that make me doubt the 757 story, |
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MercutioATC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-08-05 05:21 AM Response to Reply #49 |
60. NOT "two foot thick reinforced concrete walls": |
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pointless (81 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-08-05 06:59 PM Response to Reply #60 |
91. There was more than that |
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MercutioATC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-09-05 01:57 AM Response to Reply #91 |
95. You're right. There was a kevlar net in place also... |
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pointless (81 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-09-05 06:44 AM Response to Reply #95 |
101. you all keep missing |
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smoogatz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-08-05 11:44 AM Response to Reply #49 |
70. All of these points are based on dubious suppositions, seems to me |
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hack89 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-07-05 09:06 PM Response to Reply #37 |
41. Why is Northwoods so important? |
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nolabels (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-11-05 01:10 AM Response to Reply #30 |
163. The few hundred on the planes are only fractional to the other victims |
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janedoe (540 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-07-05 07:24 PM Response to Reply #28 |
32. Barabra Olson |
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hack89 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-07-05 09:08 PM Response to Reply #32 |
42. Are my hunches just as valid as yours? |
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Klimmer (426 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-07-05 02:34 PM Response to Original message |
7. Use "The Scientific Method" and it works this way . . . |
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hack89 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-07-05 03:54 PM Response to Reply #7 |
8. And just how wide is the fuselage of a 757? |
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Klimmer (426 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-07-05 05:43 PM Response to Reply #8 |
22. Stick to the facts . . . |
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MercutioATC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-07-05 05:57 PM Response to Reply #22 |
26. No apparent damage around the immediate 16 foot hole????? |
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Klimmer (426 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-07-05 09:32 PM Response to Reply #26 |
43. Look --- large images of the original crash hole into the Pentagon . . . |
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MercutioATC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-08-05 05:15 AM Response to Reply #43 |
59. You can tell more from smoke-obscured photos than experts who were THERE? |
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vincent_vega_lives (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-08-05 02:17 PM Response to Reply #43 |
75. "lawn it is so clean of debri and damage free" |
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Klimmer (426 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-08-05 05:33 PM Response to Reply #75 |
83. Like I said in post #83 this is long after the initial event . . . |
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MercutioATC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-09-05 02:15 AM Response to Reply #83 |
99. No debris? |
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vincent_vega_lives (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-09-05 08:01 AM Response to Reply #99 |
104. That top Right Pic also shows the wing hole |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-09-05 12:34 PM Response to Reply #104 |
117. Deleted message |
MercutioATC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-09-05 10:46 PM Response to Reply #117 |
123. I see absolutely NO unobscured images... |
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Klimmer (426 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-10-05 03:29 AM Response to Reply #123 |
127. Ouch, I got deleted at #117 . . . Another attempt . . . |
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MercutioATC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-10-05 11:13 AM Response to Reply #127 |
136. I did get to read it before it got deleted. My answer is unchanged. |
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vincent_vega_lives (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-12-05 11:58 AM Response to Reply #127 |
176. Intact? a |
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hack89 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-07-05 06:26 PM Response to Reply #22 |
27. Did you even look at the link I sent? |
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Klimmer (426 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-07-05 09:41 PM Response to Reply #27 |
44. Yes I did, and I've seen those sites before. Here is the A3 evidence . . . |
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vincent_vega_lives (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-08-05 02:28 PM Response to Reply #44 |
76. Tired old spew |
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Klimmer (426 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-08-05 05:26 PM Response to Reply #76 |
82. You have shown nothing and proved nothing. |
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vincent_vega_lives (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-09-05 07:56 AM Response to Reply #82 |
103. Of course not to you |
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MercutioATC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-09-05 02:24 AM Response to Reply #44 |
100. Where did the 757 parts come from, then? |
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Klimmer (426 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-09-05 01:31 PM Response to Reply #100 |
118. Is it possible to plant evidence? |
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MercutioATC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-09-05 10:37 PM Response to Reply #118 |
121. They planted evidence in the presence of hundreds of onlookers? |
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vincent_vega_lives (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-08-05 02:13 PM Response to Reply #22 |
74. Wing Damage |
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Klimmer (426 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-08-05 05:22 PM Response to Reply #74 |
81. Sorry nice try. The image you show is after the initial small hole . . . |
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MercutioATC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-09-05 01:59 AM Response to Reply #81 |
96. The pics you posted are obscured by smoke... |
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vincent_vega_lives (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-09-05 07:51 AM Response to Reply #81 |
102. Sorry but you are deluding yourself |
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vincent_vega_lives (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-09-05 08:08 AM Response to Reply #81 |
105. another good picture of the wing hole |
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smoogatz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-07-05 07:32 PM Response to Reply #8 |
34. Great links. |
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undeterred (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-07-05 07:58 PM Response to Reply #8 |
38. The fuselage is less than 16 ft - |
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MercutioATC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-08-05 05:26 AM Response to Reply #38 |
61. Actually, your numbers are in error. |
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philb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-09-05 09:37 AM Response to Reply #61 |
109. the main problems were standing posts at 15 and 16, where the |
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MercutioATC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-09-05 10:03 AM Response to Reply #109 |
112. Wouldn't explosives have blown more debris onto the lawn? |
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MercutioATC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-07-05 05:14 PM Response to Reply #7 |
15. You HAVE seen the ASCE report, haven't you? |
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smoogatz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-07-05 05:33 PM Response to Reply #7 |
20. You haven't disproved anything, seems to me. |
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Sweet Pea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-08-05 02:18 AM Response to Reply #7 |
56. Really? You teach? n/t |
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seatnineb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-09-05 09:59 AM Response to Reply #56 |
111. SweetPea........... explain this: |
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Sweet Pea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-10-05 04:06 AM Response to Reply #111 |
130. What's to explain? |
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seatnineb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-10-05 04:21 AM Response to Reply #130 |
131. O.K |
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Sweet Pea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-10-05 04:43 AM Response to Reply #131 |
133. You're up early.... :) |
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spooked911 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-10-05 12:15 PM Response to Reply #130 |
147. Conundrum |
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MercutioATC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-10-05 09:18 PM Response to Reply #147 |
155. Have you read the explanation in the ASCE report? It explains things. |
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stickdog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-07-05 04:46 PM Response to Original message |
10. It hit some buses on 7.7 (nt) |
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WoodrowFan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-07-05 04:49 PM Response to Original message |
11. it was a hologram |
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MercutioATC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-07-05 05:14 PM Response to Reply #11 |
16. A hologram with PODS! |
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WoodrowFan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-07-05 05:26 PM Response to Reply #16 |
18. I forgot about the pods |
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MercutioATC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-07-05 05:46 PM Response to Reply #18 |
24. BAD Woody! |
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WoodrowFan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-07-05 08:30 PM Response to Reply #24 |
39. sorry |
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philb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-09-05 09:47 AM Response to Reply #24 |
110. You are playing games; not being constructive; |
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MercutioATC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-09-05 10:05 AM Response to Reply #110 |
113. Sometimes, we just have fun here... |
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seatnineb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-09-05 10:25 AM Response to Reply #113 |
115. The "pod" |
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spooked911 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-10-05 12:03 PM Response to Reply #115 |
144. You rock, seatnineb! |
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pox americana (622 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-07-05 09:50 PM Response to Original message |
45. You know I just realized |
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philb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-07-05 11:05 PM Response to Reply #45 |
47. FAA radar: Fl 77 didn't hit Pentagon; cordite explosives at |
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smoogatz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-08-05 11:14 AM Response to Reply #47 |
66. Makes a lot of dubious assumptions |
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philb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-09-05 09:25 AM Response to Reply #66 |
107. Only a few planes had transponders turned off; and the radar still tracks |
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janedoe (540 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-07-05 11:32 PM Response to Reply #45 |
48. Turbulence? |
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Sweet Pea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-10-05 04:39 AM Response to Reply #48 |
132. Glider vs Airliner |
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spooked911 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-07-05 11:39 PM Response to Reply #45 |
50. This was always my thinking--- it is a very difficult flight path |
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pox americana (622 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-08-05 12:53 AM Response to Reply #50 |
51. Basically they'd need an unobstructed airstrip |
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janedoe (540 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-08-05 01:11 AM Response to Reply #51 |
53. Why learn how to land if the plane will do it for you? |
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pox americana (622 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-08-05 01:31 AM Response to Reply #53 |
54. Faith-based flying? |
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janedoe (540 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-08-05 02:38 AM Response to Reply #54 |
57. FANS and GPS navigation of Boeing 757 and 767 |
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philb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-09-05 09:28 AM Response to Reply #57 |
108. But the flight controls are diverse and require specialized knowledge |
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janedoe (540 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-10-05 02:08 AM Response to Reply #108 |
126. Hijackers? |
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spooked911 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-10-05 12:04 PM Response to Reply #126 |
145. Yes, indeed. |
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spooked911 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-10-05 12:07 PM Response to Reply #108 |
146. Don't forget the only experience the alleged hijackers had with flying |
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Fescue4u (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-13-05 08:05 PM Response to Reply #146 |
184. A friend of mine flies for American Airlines |
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petgoat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-11-05 01:47 AM Response to Reply #54 |
165. Faith Based Flying |
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philb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-08-05 12:58 AM Response to Reply #50 |
52. Did anyone ever decide if the official plane version could have avoided |
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spooked911 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-08-05 10:47 AM Response to Reply #52 |
65. I think the official flight path is deduced primarily BECAUSE of the |
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MercutioATC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-08-05 05:32 AM Response to Reply #45 |
62. You're assuming it was meant to hit exactly where it did. |
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pox americana (622 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-08-05 09:02 AM Response to Reply #62 |
64. Exactly -- it hit a wall. |
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MercutioATC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-08-05 11:17 AM Response to Reply #64 |
67. My point exactly! |
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smoogatz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-08-05 11:19 AM Response to Reply #64 |
68. 921 feet ain't so narrow |
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pox americana (622 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-08-05 01:55 PM Response to Reply #68 |
73. 77 feet is narrow. |
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smoogatz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-08-05 02:43 PM Response to Reply #73 |
77. Bad analogy. |
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pox americana (622 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-08-05 04:49 PM Response to Reply #77 |
80. Haven't flown any planes, but I've flown in plenty |
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smoogatz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-08-05 05:52 PM Response to Reply #80 |
85. I've flown a few times |
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pox americana (622 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-08-05 07:37 PM Response to Reply #85 |
92. It's not a slam dunk |
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Silverhair (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-10-05 11:32 AM Response to Reply #80 |
137. Crashing a plane is very easy. |
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pox americana (622 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-10-05 11:43 AM Response to Reply #137 |
138. Sure. But this plane |
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Silverhair (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-10-05 11:48 AM Response to Reply #138 |
140. But was it aiming at the bathroom window? |
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pox americana (622 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-10-05 12:37 PM Response to Reply #140 |
149. Let's just say Mr. Rumsfeld wasn't in it. |
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MercutioATC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-10-05 09:16 PM Response to Reply #140 |
154. THANK YOU! |
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Silverhair (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-10-05 09:22 PM Response to Reply #138 |
156. Your argument reminds me of an old Bug Bunny cartoon. |
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petgoat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-11-05 01:43 AM Response to Reply #45 |
164. Flying just feet off the ground is difficult |
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MercutioATC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-12-05 04:09 AM Response to Reply #164 |
174. Yes, but crashing is much easier. |
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Klimmer (426 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-08-05 01:28 PM Response to Original message |
72. Ok, let's get the experts in here because there are a lot . . . |
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smoogatz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-08-05 05:48 PM Response to Reply #72 |
84. Sagadevan |
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MrSammo1 (788 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-08-05 06:09 PM Response to Reply #84 |
87. Last time I checked |
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smoogatz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-08-05 06:12 PM Response to Reply #87 |
88. Not sure what you're saying. |
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Klimmer (426 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-09-05 02:17 PM Response to Reply #84 |
119. First of all I did not call any one person here a freeper . . . |
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carlvs (165 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-08-05 06:57 PM Response to Reply #72 |
90. So, you're a "freeper" if you don't buy into CT junk?!? (nt) |
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MercutioATC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-09-05 02:01 AM Response to Reply #72 |
97. Jesus! A VonKleist cite! |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-09-05 02:42 PM Response to Reply #97 |
120. Deleted message |
MercutioATC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-09-05 10:38 PM Response to Reply #120 |
122. VonKleist makes intentional misrepresentations to sell videos. |
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Klimmer (426 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-10-05 03:58 AM Response to Reply #122 |
129. Why are my posts getting deleted when you have called Dave . . . |
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MercutioATC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-10-05 11:12 AM Response to Reply #129 |
135. Think VonKleist is honest? Look here (a start): |
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staticstopper (314 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-08-05 04:03 PM Response to Original message |
78. who really cares? |
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pox americana (622 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-08-05 04:45 PM Response to Reply #78 |
79. look at it this way: |
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MrSammo1 (788 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-08-05 06:06 PM Response to Original message |
86. As with Flight 93 |
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smoogatz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-08-05 06:13 PM Response to Reply #86 |
89. Oh boy. |
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janedoe (540 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-09-05 01:46 AM Response to Reply #89 |
93. Flight 93 |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-09-05 02:06 AM Response to Reply #93 |
98. Deleted message |
pox americana (622 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-09-05 08:43 AM Response to Reply #93 |
106. That would explain a lot |
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MercutioATC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-09-05 10:08 AM Response to Reply #93 |
114. I have no idea why my last reply was deleted, so I'll try it again... |
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spooked911 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-09-05 11:49 PM Response to Reply #93 |
124. Fascinating! However, the crash site is very peculiar, seeing as how the |
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janedoe (540 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-10-05 01:49 AM Response to Reply #124 |
125. Peculiar crash site |
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Zaphod 36 (38 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-10-05 05:16 AM Response to Reply #125 |
134. the quarry |
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spooked911 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-10-05 11:50 AM Response to Reply #134 |
141. Great map! What are the odds that the plane would go down exactly at the |
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Silverhair (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-10-05 09:33 PM Response to Reply #141 |
158. It had to go down somewhere. Anywhere it hit you would ask the same thing |
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janedoe (540 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-10-05 05:23 PM Response to Reply #134 |
151. Flight 93 came from the west |
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spooked911 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-10-05 12:01 PM Response to Reply #125 |
143. Would you mind sending me an e-mail? |
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seatnineb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-10-05 03:45 AM Response to Reply #93 |
128. JaneDoe! |
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MrSammo1 (788 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-11-05 07:51 PM Response to Reply #89 |
171. Since everything that day |
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Silverhair (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-10-05 11:45 AM Response to Original message |
139. Wow. 137 responses and nobody has addressed your central question. |
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spooked911 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-10-05 11:56 AM Response to Reply #139 |
142. I have given explanations/answers to these questions |
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Silverhair (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-10-05 12:17 PM Response to Reply #142 |
148. I wouldn't give contact information on this internet forum either. |
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spooked911 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-10-05 04:48 PM Response to Reply #148 |
150. who said anything about contact information? |
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Silverhair (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-10-05 06:21 PM Response to Reply #150 |
152. It is not absurd to rule out obviously ridiculous CTs. |
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philb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-10-05 09:36 PM Response to Reply #152 |
159. I'm not aware of any evidence Fl 77 hit the Pentagon, but there is |
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MercutioATC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-10-05 10:06 PM Response to Reply #159 |
161. I believe DNA is generally accepted as evidence. |
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petgoat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-11-05 01:50 AM Response to Reply #161 |
166. DNA evidence |
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Silverhair (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-10-05 10:07 PM Response to Reply #159 |
162. There is LOTS of evidence, beginning with many eyewitnesses. |
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MrSammo1 (788 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-10-05 06:59 PM Response to Reply #139 |
153. Simple |
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philb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-10-05 09:39 PM Response to Reply #153 |
160. Are you talking about the fact that AA did not report the flight as schedu |
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MrSammo1 (788 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-11-05 07:47 PM Response to Reply #160 |
170. I'm talking |
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petgoat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-11-05 01:56 AM Response to Reply #153 |
167. The missile/757 debate is moot, says Dr. Griffin |
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janedoe (540 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-11-05 06:50 AM Response to Reply #167 |
168. Pentagon defense |
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hack89 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-11-05 05:30 PM Response to Reply #168 |
169. Griffin is wrong. |
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philb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-11-05 11:40 PM Response to Reply #168 |
172. The released Pentagon slides have been shown to be fraudulent |
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petgoat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-14-05 01:06 AM Response to Reply #172 |
186. Pentagon slides doctored |
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Sweet Pea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-12-05 06:04 AM Response to Reply #168 |
175. What "auto-launch defense of the pentagon"? |
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Sweet Pea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-13-05 12:05 PM Response to Reply #175 |
178. Didn't think anyone could.... |
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philb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-13-05 12:40 PM Response to Reply #175 |
181. I've posted references for the surface to air missiles at the Capital |
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hack89 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-13-05 04:16 PM Response to Reply #181 |
183. How does a 7 pound warhead.. |
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Sweet Pea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-14-05 08:15 AM Response to Reply #181 |
191. Could you re-post these references? |
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petgoat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-14-05 01:13 AM Response to Reply #175 |
187. "What "auto-launch defense of the pentagon"?" |
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petgoat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-14-05 12:56 AM Response to Reply #168 |
185. Pentagon defense |
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MrSammo1 (788 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-12-05 02:46 AM Response to Reply #139 |
173. Because |
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petgoat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-14-05 01:16 AM Response to Reply #139 |
188. Bush operatives |
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philb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-13-05 12:47 PM Response to Original message |
182. Here's what one group of researchers said happened to the passengers |
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petgoat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-14-05 01:19 AM Response to Reply #182 |
189. What happened to the passengers? |
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MercutioATC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-14-05 01:48 AM Response to Reply #189 |
190. Passengers like Todd Beamer (UAL93)? |
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