9/11 conspiracy DVD sent to French media

[sabra]

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http://www.sciencedaily.com/upi/?feed=TopNews&article=UPI-1-20050805-13343500-bc-france-conspiracy.xml

9/11 conspiracy DVD sent to French media
PARIS, Aug. 5 (UPI) -- Hundreds of French reporters have received copies of a DVD claiming the Sept. 11, 2001, terror attacks were fabricated by the Bush administration.

Titled "Confronting the Evidence," and posted from New York, the DVD claims that the attacks on the World Trade Center and Pentagon were a lie orchestrated by U.S. President George W. Bush.

The news was reported Friday in Le Figaro newspaper, whose reporters were among those who received copies of the DVD.

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This is hardly the first French 9/11 conspiracy theory. A book by French writer Thierry Meyssan made similar claims following the terrorist strike. Meyssan's book sold more than 300,000 copies.

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[LeftyElvis]

1. He's too stupid

to engineer such a caper.

[SouthernDem2004]

3. Not according to some around here. Careful or they will start calling

you a freeper for not agreeing with them. :)

Oh, and welcome.

[Name removed]

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[geek tragedy]

11. Make sure to use sarcasm tags--there are people who actually

believe what you wrote.

Welcome to DU!

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[anotherdrew]

20. you trying to troll or just make a funny

cause it ain't funny if that's what you were going for.

[anotherdrew]

18. not too many

I would hope that most people don't buy the bullcrap that the whole world revolves around jews. Please don't assume that anyone who things the official 911 story is false are anti-semites. Can we just skip that this time because it's totally false.

[geek tragedy]

22. It would help if events like the one on the DVD didn't invite Neo-Nazis

to speak at their gatherings.

[anotherdrew]

27. what neo-nazi spoke? I'm not vouching for this website or movie btw

[geek tragedy]

28. Christopher Bollyn of the American Free Press.

The American Free Press is an organ of the Neo-Nazi/Fascist movement in the United States, and frequently engages in Holocaust denial.

Bollyn himself has written such lovely pieces as this:

http://www.rumormillnews.com/cgi-bin/archive.cgi?noframes;read=40914

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A German chemical company, Degussa AG, which is providing an anti-graffiti coating for the slabs, was the focus of the monument?s latest controversy. A subsidiary of Degussa, Degesch, supplied Zyklon B hydrogen cyanide gas pellets to German concentration camps during the war. The Zyklon B pesticide gas, which was used to delouse clothes during the war, was also allegedly used to kill inmates in gas chambers.

The claim that Nazis used Zyklon B as a means of extermination has been challenged by many Holocaust scholars, such as Gaston-Armand Amaudruz of Lausanne, Switzerland, who was recently imprisoned for stating that there is no evidence of such gas chambers.

Amaudruz, who has published the Courrier du Continent newsletter since 1946 wrote: ?I don?t believe in the gas chambers, because there is no proof for them. Let the exterminationists provide the proof and I will believe it. But as I?ve been waiting for this proof for decades, I don?t believe I will see it soon.?

For expressing doubts about the Holocaust the 82-year-old scholar and publisher was jailed in a Swiss federal penitentiary on January 13 of this year for three months.

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The article also quotes DAVID IRVING as an authority.

My instinct is that people who are interested in the truth don't invite the David Irving crowd to their shin-digs.

[WinkyDink]

25. a-HA!

So that's why I can't find my Atkins chips.

[Dhalgren]

15. Do you believe that the US was lied into the Iraq Invasion on

purpose? Did a group of administration officials and US and foreign citizens lie, distort and fabricate evidence in order to hood-wink the US public and others into sanctioning a preemptive war against a nation which we had no reason to invade? That is a conspiracy. Have these same people worked over the last several years in a vicious attempt at covering up this conspiracy? Yes, and that is a conspiracy, too. Now, you may not believe that the questions I've just ask are to be answered "yes" ; you may call me a wild-eye conspiracy nut; and you may make snide, condescending comments aimed at making me look foolish. But if you believe any part of the questions I just asked can be answered in the affirmative, then you are a conspiracy theorist, too. 9/11 may be proved over time to be exactly what you believe that it is, but then again, it may not. There really are things called conspiracies, and they really do take place. If they are well done, well executed conspiracies then no one will believe that they are real until they are proved beyond doubt. That's fine, proof beyond doubt is always to be desired, but most real conspiracies look foolish until they are proved. Snide insults and faux superiority do not enhance the discussion - and if the conspiracy theories are ever proved to be fact, the snideness and faux superiority come back on you...

[Benhurst]

21. ...

:thumbsup:

[SouthernDem2004]

26. I have never made a single comment about you if I am not mistaken.

I do not recall replying to a single post of yours. I have no idea who you are. I can not even recall reading a single one of your post.

Bye bye

[Dhalgren]

29. Excellent reply...

[SheepyMcSheepster]

34. i wonder what keeps you hanging around here

you seem to have general disdain for the people that post here.

[SouthernDem2004]

37. How so?

I disagree with some people's opinions. I get alot of hostility for it but so what? My first post here is accurate is it not?

[SheepyMcSheepster]

38. accurate?

i don't recall seeing anyone ever post anything here stating that bush is the genius mastermind of a 9/11 conspiracy/cover-up.

please correct me if i am wrong.

i would like to see a post that declares bush the diabolical mastermind of a 9/11 conspiracy/cover up that also accuses anyone who disagrees with them of being a freeper. then i might consider your accuracy, however it would take more than an example of 1 poster for it to enter the realm of "some people who post here". i would guess that "some people" would require at least 3 different posters declaring bush is a super genius mastermind who orchestrated a 9/11 conspiracy/cover up with them all calling anyone who disagrees a "freeper". then we can talk about you being accurate.

however, if you were simply confusing George Bush with the Bush Administration i could possibly agree with you. it's your call.

[SouthernDem2004]

42. Sorry, I was not clear. Happens sometime.

I meant that my post that the OP with be callled a freeper etc is accurate.

[redqueen]

30. .

:applause:

[SheepyMcSheepster]

36. great post

thanks!

:yourock:

[JuniorPlankton]

4. Assume it's not the chimp himself

but his handlers :thumbsdown:

[Just Me]

5. The neoCONs who surround him are quite intelligent, albeit,...

,...severely limited by their ideological rigidity. They are perfectly capable of planning such a scheme, if they so pleased to do so.

[shanti]

9. yes it was "bush" who engineered

9/11. bush and his thugs that is. read between the lines.

[leesa]

24. It's not one individual. It is a network of people who believe they needed

to war in the ME for a variety of reasons (wealth, oil, poltical positioning, manial power lust, The Rapture, etc),who needed a catalyst in order to start their adventure. It worked well.

[SheepyMcSheepster]

33. "Bush administration" vs. W

Bush administration is much different than the singular W.

one would be fool to believe the whole administration is as stupid as their figure head seems to be.

[Eurobabe]

2. mebe that's why he was INSTALLED as POTUS

n/t

[moodforaday]

7. This DVD is free for downloading

You can mail order the DVD, or you can download the whole thing (in 30 separate chapters, QuickTime format) and watch on the 'puter:

http://www.reopen911.org/freedvd.php

(ignore the dialog box that pops up, then scroll down to content)

On edit: I should say it's fairly factual, I like it much better than "In Plane Site" and similar.

[geek tragedy]

19. Wow, only one Neo-Nazi was an invited speaker at that event.

The tinfoilers are raising their standards.

[acmejack]

8. I have in my hand that dvd

And it is being misrepresented. It was produced by , take a look before damning these folks as lunatic conspiracy theorists.

[Name removed]

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[meganmonkey]

17. Wow - in 3 minutes you ordered the DVD, received it, and watched the whole

thing?

You must be Superman! :eyes:

[Pastiche423]

23. Done?

Done what?

If you have just ordered the DVD and not seen it yet, then how do you know "They're lunatic conspiracy theorists"?

Our very own DUer, Paul Thompson is on the panel in the discussion, as well as many rational and intelligent people that have done heavy research.

Showing your ignorance also shows you incredibility.

[anotherdrew]

31. troll = "They're lunatic conspiracy theorists." - Noah

Are not.


(that is precisely the amount of refutation you deserve or need)

[truth2power]

35. Noah, you saying that doesn't make it so.

I have the DVD and have viewed it. The story (or stories) the administration has used to explain 911 has so many inconsistencies that one can hardly help but see it as a false flag terror event.

The Bush administration explanation of events is in itself a conspiracy theory, BTW. It just depends on which conspiracy you think really occurred. That makes us all, on both sides of the question, "conspiracy theorists".

You are entitled to your opinion, of course. As am I.



edit> to clarify that this reply is to Noah.

[Dhalgren]

44. Thank you for stating clearly and succinctly this overlooked

fact: "The Bush administration explanation of events is in itself a conspiracy theory"! This is precisely the point that must be made. The Bush Gang has never carried through an investigation worthy of the name; so any explanation they come up with as to what actually happened on 9/11 is at the very best a "theory".

I don't espouse every theory put foreword as to what transpired on 9/11, but I try to rationally approach each one. And I will simply not ridicule any theory that I cannot actually disprove. It seems a large number of people are not familiar with the concept of a "theory". Theories are viable possibilities of actual fact; viable to the degree of the logical and empirical cohesion of their constructs. A theory may either be proved or disproved by research, investigation and the array of facts and proofs. Some theories by their natures may remain unproven for quite a long time, but are still viable as theories until disproved.

It is incumbent upon the established order to marginalize all theories that work counter to their benefit. They do this by the dumb use of ridicule. We must never fall victim to this form of brainwashing. One may disagree with any theory, based upon whatever level of test one wishes to utilize, but ridicule and dismissal are both disingenuous and patently transparent.

[meganmonkey]

13. I got that movie in the mail last week

The wierd thing is I don't remember signing up to get it. I guess I must have..

I watched about half of it so far.

There are various perspectives presented in it, some are pure MIHOP, but it is mostly more like LIHOP, and it certainly does raise some good points about discrepencies, gov't lies, the shitty commission report, pre-9/11 intelligence stuff, etc.

There is some stuff that I would consider off-the-wall, but a lot that is pretty interesting.

:shrug:

[moodforaday]

14. Someone may have asked them

to mail it to you. See:
http://www.reopen911.org/freedvd.php

You enter your address and they mail the DVD to you, free of charge.

[anotherdrew]

16. ohfergodsake just look at the info (put the glasses on damnit)

WATCH "CONFRONTING THE EVIDENCE" streaming video available at
http://www.reopen911.org/ about 1/3 of page down


http://summeroftruth.org/confronting_the_evidence.html

[Generator]

32. Much of Europe

France, Germany in particular..already have a majority of their population certain that 9/11 was some fault of our Bush cabal. Of course, they know HISTORY and don't trust any government and understand a basic rule of government than Americans don't get: A goverment is out for itself, first, last and always. They've had a few thousand years of wars, deceptions and the rest to get used to the idea. We are babies and believe what Daddy says. That's why they call us naive. And I love some of our naivete and I love Americans openess and joviality and so many things that I like more than the Europeans. But this belief in those that really don't have our best interests at heart make kill us all in the end.

Not to be too hyperbolic-but please people WAR is not for us-it's for their ends. Whether greed, oil, ideology, power, the patriot act, the shutting up of disent. It doesn't matter. It's not about what's best for us. If it was-certainly the national guard would be here in Oregon to DEFEND ME and put out wild fires and take care of me..instead of trying to not be killed in Iraq and insuring their democracy. What about America?

[redacted]

39. "Error: You can't recommend threads from this forum"

Why not? Getting this error message when trying to recommend for the Greatest page.

Also, why was this topic moved out of LBN? It's a UPI wire story dated with today's date.

[meganmonkey]

40. This is where 9/11 stuff tends to end up

and they don't get to go on the Greatest Page.

It's the rules - for more detail read the "Please Read" thread at the top of this forum.

(I am not implying that I agree with those rules, btw)

[Generator]

41. Welcome to the 9/11 ghetto

Even things regarding the bombing in London get sent here if they are too far out of the acceptablity realm for the mainstream. Woo hoo..I'm not mainstream..it's a long road..let me tell you..and don't believe everything or anything..

[SheepyMcSheepster]

43. all stories related to 9/11 are moved here

all 9/11 stories are moved to the 9/11 forum.

we don't want DU GD/LBN to look like they are full of "crazies" do we?
:sarcasm: