A Simple Proof that the Official Story of the Flight 93 Crash is Wrong

[spooked911]

Officially flight 93 was crashed intentionally by the hijackers into the ground. According to Jere Longman, who wrote the definitive account of flight 93 in his book "Among the Heroes", when the plane crashed going 600 mph, it burrowed head-first into the ground. Officially, most of the plane's fuselage was found buried 25-40 feet underground. Even the two black boxes were found at 15 feet and 25 feet below the ground surface. However, the plane also exploded, showering large pieces of debris for hundreds of yards and very light debris, for miles. The explosion produced a huge noise that nearby residents heard and also produced a large mushroom cloud.



The crash also apprently produced a seismic vibration, though the 9/11 commission doesn't believe this evidence as the time of the signal was 10:06am and not 10:03am when the commission says flight 93 crashed.

Here is what the crater of the flight 93 crash looked like:



Here is the problem: the flight data recorders and the cockpit voice recorders (the black boxes) are located in the tail of the plane.

If the plane went into the ground head first, and the black boxes went into the ground, this means the tail went into the ground as well.

This PROVES that flight 93 either:

1) went in the hole head-first and DID NOT explode (since the explosion would have shot out the rear of the plane, blowing off the tail)

or

2) DID NOT go into the hole and the crater is a hoax.

I submit that it is impossible that the plane's fuselage including the tail section could have burrowed deeply into the ground but at the same time exploded so violently as to shower human remains and aircraft debris all over above ground.

I personally suspect that flight 93 DID NOT go into the hole and the crater is a hoax.

What did happen?

THAT is difficult to say.

[understandinglife]

1. Answer: AIM-9L/M Sidewinder Rocket Motor

Peace.

[demodewd]

19. Peace

Peace brotha

[LissaM]

2. Do you know

What kind of plane it was??? Where were the engines on this particular plane? If they're on the back, it would make sense that the black boxes were in the ground. If it was a 757 or an Airbus I would suspect otherwise, as the engines are on the wings... Just wondering.

[spooked911]

12. It was a 757 with engines on the wings

[BrklynLiberal]

3. BFEE and the rest of their evil empire has more secrets than we will

ever know....
We still don't know the truth about the JFK assassination and that was over 40 years ago. I doubt if our generation will learn the truth about what actually happened leading to and on the day of 9-11.
I hope that it will eventually be known to those that come after us.

[RobertSeattle]

4. Shouldn't this be posted in the 911 forum?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topics&forum=125

[Norquist Nemesis]

5. I read an account of that day on Larry Johnson's blog

One of the comments is a man who says he was watching MSNBC (if he recalls correctly) and that they were in contact with a man on the flight.
http://noquarter.typepad.com/my_weblog/2005/08/hidden_dangers_.html

"We talked and went to the neighboring TV store and watched the day unfold on a variety of large screens, every channel available, satellite and cable, that was broadcasting. It was like a giant war room.

There were so many channels on that tracking who was at each talking and presenting the video was hard to track...

]b]I want to say it was MSNBC that someone was talking to a passenger in the tail seat section of the flight over Pennsylvania...

"Oh we're okay now- there's a plane outside the window, it's a fighter-"
Announcer: "I'm sorry but it looks like we've lost phone contact with him..."

And there were at least five other viewing who can verify the statement."

[LissaM]

7. I have actually heard that, too

From several different pilots. A lot of them came up with technical theories and stuff I was confused about, but their conclusion was the same: someone shot down the plane over PA.

[spooked911]

13. Interesting-- never heard that before. Thanks.

[Roland99]

6. Oh good grief. That sounds utterly ridiculous

The explosion would have been from the fuel in the wings. The fuselage impacted the ground instantaneously. $100 the tail was buried before the fuel even ignited.

[hvn_nbr_2]

11. 600 mph = 880 feet per second

So the tail, like the rest of the plane, was going downward at 880 feet per second at the time of impact. I'm not sure how long a plane is but I'm sure it's less than 220 feet (that's 2/3 the length of a football or soccer field), so it would have been less than a quarter of a second till the tail got to the ground too. (Somewhat more actually since crumpling of the plane would slow it, but also less because a plane isn't really that long.) Do you think it took at least a quarter of a second for the fuel to catch fire and then explode? I think so. The story of flight 93 is pretty questionable but this OP doesn't prove anything to me.

[spooked911]

14. How were the passengers blown up and their remains found in the

trees nearby if only the wings blew up?

[stickdog]

17. Human remains were found MILES away! (nt)

[stickdog]

16. So how then were human remains spread out for miles?

Were they riding on the wings?

[jim3775]

8. A scenario to refute your assertion:

Okay, the plane is traveling at 600 mph, the nose hits the ground causes the ground to become unstable and break up creating a crater, this happens in a fraction of a second. Now, the nose has hit the ground and the tail is still going at 600 mph yet to hit the ground. The crater has already been formed; the tail hits the crater at 600 mph and the black boxes drive into the crater 25 or so feet underground.


Just because the nose and fuselage of the plane have hit the ground and stopped doesn't mean the tail is stopped too.

[Modem Butterfly]

9. It's a simple matter of math

Sheesh!

[spooked911]

15. Of course, I agree. The quesiton is, how did the plane then blow up

such that passengers' remains were found in the trees nearby?

[DoYouEverWonder]

18. There is one report of human remains

turning up in Indian Lake which was 3 to 8 miles ahead of the crash site, depending where you are on the lake.

People saw debris coming down like confetti on the lake.

One of the engines was found about a mile ahead of the crash site.

A black box was found about 3 miles ahead of the crash site.

No reports of debris over the 'reported' path over Flight 93, just ahead of it.

There is no plane at the Shanksville site, that is a missile crater. It was either a missed shot or a decoy to distract people from the real crash site, my guess out over Indian Lake.

[spooked911]

21. Black box three miles ahead of the crash site?????

Are you sure? I've never heard that. Can you find a link for that?

Thanks.

I agree with the rest of what you say.

[philb]

22. A black box was found about 3 miles ahead of the crash site??

Do you have a URL for this? I haven't heard it and its inconsistent with the official report.

[DoYouEverWonder]

24. I think I may have melded a couple of different reports in my feeble brain

I think you can see how someone could misremember some details when you try to remember something that you've read awhile ago.

However, there are up to 8 black boxes on a plane and it may have been one of the other ones that had been reported. I'll keep digging causes it's bugging me. I'm sure I read about one that was found far from the site.

Either way, lots of other stuff was found, including body parts, so unless the plane broke up in the air, which blows the government version, they didn't fly there from up out of that crater.

Plus the offical search beyond the 'crash site' didn't even start until Sept. 13th! That gave the covert ops folks two whole days to find and destroy evidence or for the evidence to sink to the bottom of the lake.

Investigators locate 'black box' from Flight 93; widen search area in Somerset crash

Thursday, September 13, 2001

Investigators this afternoon discovered the "black box" containing flight data recordings from United Flight 93 at the crash site in rural Somerset County.

Pittsburgh FBI spokesman Bill Crowley said the flight data recorder was found about 4:50 p.m. in the main crater at the crash site, located near Shanksville. Crowley said he didn't know whether the recorder was operable, or whether officials would be able to gather information from it.

Finding the flight data recorder had been the focus of investigators as they widened their search area today following the discoveries of more debris, including what appeared to be human remains, miles from the point of impact at a reclaimed coal mine.

Residents and workers at businesses outside Shanksville, Somerset County, reported discovering clothing, books, papers and what appeared to be human remains. Some residents said they collected bags-full of items to be turned over to investigators. Others reported what appeared to be crash debris floating in Indian Lake, nearly six miles from the immediate crash scene.

http://post-gazette.com/headlines/20010913somersetp3.asp

[frylock]

10. the secondary debris field totally debunks the official story..

it was a military shoot-down, no question.

[demodewd]

20. question

I wonder what the probability is that the nose,fuselage,and tail would land in the same proximate area when they were apparently blown up in flight?

[philb]

23. Does missile hitting a plane primarily take out the engine, and not

do major damage to the plane itself? If so, the plane could remain mostly intact and dive almost straight down.

but there would still be the wide debris field to explain.

[DoYouEverWonder]

25. Some planes could even continue to fly

and make a relatively safe landing. Just depends on what part of the plane gets hit and how much damage is done.

[demodewd]

26. damage

Well it looks like to me that a whole lot of damage was done with the wide debris scatter and reports of passenger's body parts being spotted.

[DoYouEverWonder]

27. Especially, since there is very little debris

at the supposed crash site. Plus Boeing was never able to recover enough debris from any of the sites to even try to put a plane back together, which is part of their normal crash investigations.

My conclusion is that the plane fell apart in air further south then the 'crash' site.

That is why there are so many discrepancies in regards to the timing of the events. Some reports indicate that Flight 93 crashed at 10:03 AM other reports put the crash at 10:06 AM. This three minute gap is very significant. Remember the flight recorder ended 3 minutes too soon? One event happened at 10:03 AM, my guess, the shot down of Flight 93 and a second event that caused the missile crater in Shankesville happened at 10:06 AM.

Gee, 18 minutes, 16 words, maybe this time '3 minutes' will be the key to making the whole offical story fall apart?

[Zaphod 36]

28. That`s what I assume too,

that the plane overflew the Lambertsville Area AND the crater, convoyed by two interceptors.
Then this plane was blew up over the indian lake at 10:03am.
After that the white jet(Thunderbolt) came from southeast, overflew indian lake marina and Lambertsville, turned back and fired a missile or bomb into the prepared crater.
This means that this action was preplanned and something was happened before.
I remember the strange sonic boom(09:22am), monitored by an earthquake station 60 miles from the crater.
http://members.fortunecity.com/seismicevent/article.html

Is it possible that Flight 93 was hit by a missile from an interceptor at 09:22am at an altitude of 35000 Feet that caused the "sonic boom"?
About this time Johnstown Airport was evacuated(Bergen Record).

How long can a damaged plane cruise in the air from this altiturde before arriving the ground?

Is it possible to manage digging a crater and fill this up with scrap in roughly 40 minutes?
(Much scrap was lying at Rollock Inc. nearby)

[demodewd]

29. Flight 93?

Flight 93 hit,35,00 feet up? But then there are all the bodies splattered over everywhere.

[Zaphod 36]

30. Why splattered?

The missile of the interceptor should hit only the engine. A Shoot Down doesn`t mean a destruction of the whole airplane. The hijackers should get a loss of control.

[demodewd]

31. re: missile

Thanks. You set me straight.

[DoYouEverWonder]

32. Couple of pics from today's crash in Greece

Just for the record to show the difference between the two crashes. The Greek crash looks and feels like what you would expect when a plane crashes into the ground. Flight 93 does not.

?x=380&y=273&sig=auE3F6bicFVZhlSUwAL5hQ--

A big chunk of the tail survived which is common in most crashes. Flight 93 there is no tail or anything else of significance at the crash site that we've ever seen.


?x=380&y=264&sig=.LcuABuUiusFtV2VGuFZ3g--

Mmm, lots of fire making nasty black smoke until the engines arrive and put the fire out. In Shanksville, there is only one picture of a small mushroom cloud but nothing else.