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nascarblue Donating Member (693 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-12-05 10:16 AM
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Israel, 9-11, Mohammed Atta, Tom DeLay, and Jack Abramoff...all connected
Edited on Fri Aug-12-05 10:30 AM by nascarblue
A man in a BMW was driving down a quiet side street after an evening meeting at his Fort Lauderdale office when a car slowed to a stop in front of him. A second car boxed the BMW in from behind, then a dark Mustang appeared from the opposite direction. The Mustang's driver pulled alongside and pumped three hollow-point bullets into the BMW driver's chest.

“Boulis was murdered in the exact same way as Don Aronow, Bush’s other partner,” he stated.

Bush’s other partner? The question hung in the air.

“Something is really going down bad here,” Tiller stated. “Don Aronow. Gus. Jim Shore…All tied in to Bush.”
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"There is a report just a day or two after 9/11 that someone reported to the FBI that three or four of the hijackers were seen gambling on a SunCruz boat,” wrote a source in Miami. “The FBI interviewed everyone who might have seen them, that very day by all reports.”

Sure enough. We found an Associated Press story on Sept 26, 2001 headlined “SunCruz Casinos turns over Documents in Terrorist Probe.”


“SunCruz Casinos has turned over photographs and other documents to FBI investigators after employees said they recognized some of the men suspected in the terrorist attacks as customers.… Names on the passenger list from a Sept. 5 cruise matched those of some of the hijackers... Two or three men linked to the Sept. 11 hijackings may have been customers on a ship that sailed from Madeira Beach on Florida's gulf coast.”

Less than a week before the 9.11 attack, Atta and several other hijackers were aboard one of Abramoff’s casino boats. What no one seems able to answer is this:

What possible thrill could gambling offer men getting ready to die in less than a week? To this date, their Sept 5 visit to a gambling vessel overrun with retirees remains unexplained. I tell you what though, I sure would like to see the ships manifest for Sept. 5th. That would give you the names of the real terrorists.

As far as Atta and co. goes, the gambling motif in the terrorist’s timeline doesn’t end there. On June 28 at Boston’s Logan Airport, Mohamed Atta boarded a United Airlines flight and flew first class nonstop to San Francisco. He bypassed the bohemian North Beach district, and didn’t take the cruise to Alcatraz…

Atta headed for Vegas.

On Aug. 10, Hani Hanjour and Nawaf Alhazmi used first-class tickets for a United flight from Dulles Airport near Washington, D.C., to Los Angeles International Airport, then on to Las Vegas. The story of the terrorists Las Vegas connection may never be known, admitted the Las Vegas FBI.

So whatever you believe actually happened on 9-11, there seems to be little doubt about these 4 hijackers and their gambling habits.

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One time-honored way to get rich is to marry money. Another is to kill someone that has it… In Abramoff’s case, it appears that Gus Boulis, the owner of the lion’s share of the casino boats in Florida, had to die first.

Three men tied to Jack and the Republican party formed an ownership group that apparently made Boulis the proverbial offer he couldn’t refuse. They bought SunCruz from him, even though it wasn't for sale and he didn't want to sell.



When Greek tycoonGus Boulis was gunned down in his BMW on February 6, 2001Fort Lauderdale police investigators immediately began scrutinizing SunCruz Casinos. Suspicion focused on the recent sale of the fleet. Boulis and one of the three men had been carrying on a very public feud.

Less than two months later, Sun Cruz announced plans to move a 150-foot, $10-million floating casino to the Northern Marianas. Yes, the same Marianas that has been tied to Tom DeLay's illegal sweatshops that deal in prostitution and forced abortion. Another prime example of Republican hypocrisy upon pulling back the curtain of spin.

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While Jack Abramoff’s Indian gaming troubles may have been getting the most publicity, his other major 'area of concern’ is where the real scandal resides. Involvement with Mob-run casino boats may turn out to be a faux pas, even for Republicans. And now the media has finally picked up this story after the DOJ issued a warrant for Abramoff. With so many other stories of murder, mayhem and terrorism tied into Abramoff, the fact that the MSM has taken so long to report about Abramoff's ties to Sun Crux Gambling tells me one thing. Get ready for spin and damage control.

The casino boat ‘industry’ in the US can be traced back to a few seemingly inconsequential sentences buried in a 1992 federal law called ''An Act to provide for the designation of the Flower Garden Banks National Marine Sanctuary.''

(The “Flower Garden Banks” are the northernmost coral reefs in the United States, located off Texas and Louisiana.)

The obscure bill offered the perfect place to slip in a few sentences, which, deciphered, added ships of U.S. registry to vessels already covered under the Johnson Act of 1951, which regulated the transportation of gambling devices, and allowed ships of foreign registry, which often offered gambling, to dock at U.S. ports as long as no one used or repaired gambling equipment while in U.S. territorial waters. The amendment was a Trojan horse which extended this privilege to U.S. ships…

The result was a burgeoning new industry in Florida, and the state was soon encircled by almost thirty casino boats swarming the peninsula’s ports like the bloodthirsty pirates of yore.

They were called “cruises to nowhere.” And in short order the boats were generating hundreds of millions of dollars a year in revenues. Hundreds of million of dollars of unregulated revenue…

Who owns Florida's gambling boats? No one is certain. There is virtually no state or federal oversight. No one licenses the operators. No one ensures that the games aren’t rigged. No one ensures that the boats aren't used to launder money. No one investigates whether organized crime is involved.

Florida's cruises-to-nowhere represent "the largest unregulated gambling industry in the United States," said Bill Thompson, a professor of gambling at the University of Nevada at Las Vegas and nationally recognized expert on the industry, in an interview in the Miami Herald.

They gross at least $170 million a year. And that’s just the number they report voluntarily. No one knows the true ‘take.’ Everyone assumes there’s a ‘skim.

So where is Jack? In Israel of course. I suspect he knew he a warrant was to be issued and he ran to Israel. I wonder if he plans to comply to the warrant?

Like the Plame affair, the Jack Abrhamoff affair is a gift that keeps on giving. But make no mistake, as Cindy Sheehan and the Downing Street Memo's showed us, the mainstream media will not do their job unless the massive online community demands it.


For the rest of the story, go to http://www.madcowprod.com/06202005.html
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Cassandra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-12-05 10:21 AM
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1. Could you say Likud instead of Israel?
There are plenty of Israelis who don't want to be defined by rightwing policies just as there are plenty of Americans who don't want to be defined by Bushco.
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glitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-12-05 10:31 AM
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5. Thank you. This point needs to be emphasized. 99% of the arguments could
be avoided by using correct names.
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nascarblue Donating Member (693 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-12-05 10:35 AM
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6. Not really..
The reason is because although it's been proven many times that Abramoff has many ties to Israeli's, I can't say that he is solely linked to the Likud party. Sorry.

I just wonder if Abramoff decides to not comply to the arrest warrant, will Israel get involved and deport him? This could end up being a sticky mess. After all, look at Israel's support of Larry Franklin and Jonathan Pollard. I'm curious to see if the weakass media will report this. After all, we all know how crooked their Israeli coverage is.
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guruoo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-12-05 10:59 AM
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10. If the shoe doesn't fit...
you don't have to wear it.
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Nothing Without Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-12-05 06:06 PM
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20. Good point. I usually say something like "Hawk faction in Israel" but
I might as well say Likud. Just as the Bush Administration's views are not the same as those of most Americans and are strongly deviant from views of the progressives, the stance of this Likud faction is not the same as all Israelis.
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bearfan454 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-12-05 10:23 AM
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2. kick
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slor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-12-05 10:24 AM
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3. Replying to bookmark n/t
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nascarblue Donating Member (693 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-12-05 10:30 AM
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4. What does that mean? NT
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slor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-12-05 06:31 PM
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21. no text...
as in, no text in the message section.
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Frederik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-12-05 10:43 AM
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7. What's the connection to Israel, exactly?
Edited on Fri Aug-12-05 10:47 AM by Frederik
That's not suggested in Hopsicker's article. What Hopsicker has uncovered earlier is rather an important European connection - Atta's friends Stephan, Wolfgang, Jürgen etc. who repeatedly flew in to visit him in Florida and who were "sons and daughters of German industrialists", the two Dutch flight school owners, the Carl Duisberg Gesellschaft which brought Atta to Germany even though he was a mediocre student and then paid for his trips around the Middle East, and so on. Hopsicker has never uncovered an Israeli connection to any of the hijackers, except perhaps for Atta's alleged proficiency in Hebrew (his girlfriend said he spoke Hebrew).

There are also hints of connections to GOP operatives, like flight school owner Wally Hillard's friendship with Jerry Falwell. If there's any connection with Abramoff (their mysterious presence on one of his casino boats might suggest that, but that's pure speculation), it would fit that pattern (if there is one). Or rather, it would suggest a connection to the opaque American underworld where politics and business meet organized crime, which is the deep structure of the American polity.

Could you clarify why you think there is an Israeli connection here?
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CWebster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-12-05 10:52 AM
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9. Well, the obvious, but true, in the US, the obscure:
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Frederik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-12-05 11:09 AM
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11. I'm not saying Abramoff doesn't have connections to Israel
Edited on Fri Aug-12-05 11:11 AM by Frederik
He obviously has. But he has many other connections as well, that may be just as or more relevant. Secondly, it is far from certain that the hijackers had any connection whatsoever with Abramoff. They seem to have visited one of his casino boats some time before 9/11, that's what we've got, period. We don't know what the purpose of the visit was, or who they met there, but it's certainly an interesting little piece of information, in light of their visits to Vegas earlier. Who would have thought Islamic jihadists were so interested in gambling?

But there is nothing in Hopsicker's story which justifies the assertion made in the title, that Israel and the hijackers were "all connected". Hopsicker certainly does not make that claim.
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bribri16 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-12-05 10:46 AM
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8. DAMN!!!! What courageous 'journalist' will take this on and follow up?
This could be HUGE!!!
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Holly_Hobby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-12-05 02:36 PM
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12. I don't know why more people don't pay attention to this guy
Edited on Fri Aug-12-05 02:38 PM by Holly_Hobby
Hopsicker, I mean
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Copperred Donating Member (554 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-12-05 03:45 PM
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17. RAIMONDO...he may already know abou t it...


CONTACT JUSTIN RAIMONDO....

he has no fear....one of the greats in our time...
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Eloriel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-12-05 02:50 PM
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13. O. M. G.
It reminds me of one of those incredibly complex spy novel thrillers where all the characters end up having ties with one another by the time you get to the end.

Simply amazing. My jaw is on the floor.
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ScamUSA.Com Donating Member (407 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-12-05 02:59 PM
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14. holy chit!
unregulated my arse though... someones got a handle on the numbers
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Behind the Aegis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-12-05 03:02 PM
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15. He is not in Israel
"Abramoff was set to appear Friday in federal court in Los Angeles. Kidan's attorney, Martin Jaffe, said his client would surrender voluntarily to federal authorities in Fort Lauderdale on Friday." AP

So why does the author lie and say: "So where is Jack? In Israel of course."
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Copperred Donating Member (554 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-12-05 03:14 PM
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16. The mystery of 'Able Danger'

http://antiwar.com/justin/

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These individuals – Atta, Khalid al-Midhar, Nawaf al-Hazmi, and Marwan al-Shehhi – are the very same "Brooklyn cell" identified by the "Able Danger" data-miners. The Mossad "observed" them for nearly half a year, and then, at the very last moment, turned over their names to the Americans. Too late, as it turns out: but is that really the end of the story?

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Reading Justin today...pretty much sums it up:

http://antiwar.com/justin/

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lala_rawraw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-12-05 05:42 PM
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19. Mossad observed them...
and then were deported when the US found out. Look, does anyone think that Israel would benefit from chaos in Iraq, Iraq, Syria and mass world hatred, plus the heating up of the Palestinian conflict? Think about it, because that kind of chaos cannot be controlled and it is exactly what this Nazi inspired regime wants... chaos in the middle east where both Jew and Muslim alike die.
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lala_rawraw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-12-05 05:40 PM
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18. I really have a problem with Israel as
Complicit... it is like saying the US (everyone in it) is behind torturing people. Are we all really into torturing people? Look, much like the Iran Contra or any other crime from the Nixon/Kissinger/Bush gang, it does not have a religion as the focal point, or the interests of a particular country as a focal point, or even a political group.

Israel, like Iraq and Iran, is a client state of the US. There are corrupt groups within Israel, like there are In Iraq, Pakistan, and so forth, that work with the Nixon/Kissinger/Bush gang, but they do not do it for any other reason than money.

Just so you get this, America, the country that I love to no end has been responsible for more blood shed in its 200+ years than any other country since the Khan's went amok. I hate to have to know it, but in order to stop it, I have to know it. So please refer to the actual criminals, not the countries and the people in them who are as screwed, if not more than, we are.
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Finder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-13-05 09:53 AM
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24. I think there will be a lot of disinformation piled around...
to distract anyone investigating. The charge of Israeli complicity is a red herring although a connection to mossad is more accurate. Abramoff used whoever he needed to, including the Aryan nations and the Alliance(William Pierce's group)He consistantly used both sides of a fence. The casino, anti-casino issue for example. He also has involvement with the "Towards Tradition" org which is a Jewish/Christian organization.

Some may say any connection to white supremacists is laughable considering he is a jew but read the transcripts of the hateful names he called certain ethnicities and he can be seen for what he is.

He is the smoking gun.

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leesa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-12-05 07:16 PM
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22. So the fantasy of Atta as a hijacker persists...well I guess we know
for certain he was not Muslim. We know he trained with the US military. Why are Americans such suckers for whatever their government tells them?
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Independent_Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-12-05 07:20 PM
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23. Hmmm... All connected?
Thanks for posting this.
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