A short film about the 9/11 crash into the Pentagon

[roguevalley]

http://www.freedomunderground.org/memoryhole/pentagon.php

Someone posted this on a writing website and I watched it. Very interesting.

[laylah]

1. WHOA!

Very eerie. I have long wondered about the "plane" also, having never seen one!

nominated!

Jenn

[laylah]

2. Kick!

[Callalily]

3. I've seen this clip before

and it's just as disturbing to me now as when I first saw it.

[RC]

4. Made It Happen On Purpose!

There can be no other explanation. Where is the plane? Seats, wheels, two 3 ton engines, hydraulics? The normal forensic investigation was never conducted. The same for the steel from the WTC. Why?

This administration is guilty of High Treason. The merciless murder of American citizens as an aid to their goals. Why are they still walking around loose?

[baldguy]

16. The Pentagon had just been renovated.

It was DESIGNED to withstand a direct hit by a bomb. When the plane hit the building, it disintegrated.

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/pages/911_pentagon_757_plane_evidence.html

You want wheels?



Engines?



Hydraulics?


Everything is there. Just look.

[rman]

21. wow massive 757 engine in pic 2

not

[RC]

23. Most of those pictures are

so closely cropped they could have been taken anywhere.

What's a "double rim" anyway? I've had cars with steel factory wheel rims that looked like the marked part of the rim in the picture.
Most aircraft wheels and tires look the same reguardless of the type of aircraft they are on. The pictures don't really prove anything unless the wheels were still on their truck. That rim was not.

You also did not address my questions about the engines, seats, etc.

[PATRICK]

5. The workable point

is not necessarily the speculation about a mystery plane or missile, something ultimately scandalous and embarrassing and the next mystery of what happened to flight 77 at exactly the same time. The question is repressed evidence that creates this sort of questioning. I mean, how can the view from the Sheraton be any more a national security issue for witnessing a very public event? I am sure that adding the standard FBI kneejerk confiscation of evidence to the stonewall over all policy of the WH means never seeing any evidence ever regardless of its import.

Making them pay a price for secrecy by speculation pressure in this instance has been easily diffused into the realm of wacko dismissal, in the land of denial that anything fraudulent catapulted fratboy onto the throne or that going to war needs a justification. This very much makes me want to demand the evidence be released. Has anyone in the Senate seen it? After all, they could have been the targets too. or are they going to dummy up "for our own good" too?

Secrecy in government is poison as it was in the JFK and MLK assassinations. It proves in the general mind, but apparently not in the consciousness of satisfied news puppies, that there was something to hide in a mess whose coils have steadily been coming to light around the core insufficiency of the soothing Warren Commission Report. But those enamored of such secrecy don't mind this effect, batting the blindfolded public with sticks as they grope about for facts.

Show us the evidence. Save the soothing rationalizations since one unsupported speculation or one based on fixed evidence has no more validity than the wildest conspiracy negativity. When it comes to speculation the need to focus on is the full disclosure of public evidence and save the excuses. The present government has earned no such trust or respect for any accountability procedures.

For example, I am not sure the Blackhawk down films from Somalia that so horrified the Pentagon viewers have ever been released. The public would gain little from it. Perhaps hostile students of the American military might. But all the secrets worth keeping were exposed by the film of Pentagon damage. The brief clips where the target was hit for some reason, despite the unique nature of the now rebuilt pentagon walls, are forced down the hole. Thanks to little congressional pressure or imagination those asking why are far from able to get an ear.

[Bluesplayer]

6. that's disturbing

[babsbunny]

8. Something I can bookmark

and show my Son and Hubby!

[MelissaB]

7. Too much info for me to take in only watching once.

It's fast and I don't know enough about this.

[i miss america]

9. People who question 9/11 and want the investigation reopened are not nuts

The truth is, the story we were told simply doesn't jive with the facts.

If this video was an eye opener for you, check out:
- http://www.reopen911.org/
- http://911blogger.com
- the September 11 group at DU
- and of course, the lectures by David Ray Griffin

Once you do, you'll soon warm up to the idea that 9/11 was an inside job.

[farmbo]

10. You must really HATE AMERICA to post this...

C'mon...Support the Troops...Put on the Blinders back on!

:sarcasm:

[OneTwentyoNine]

11. Seen it many times before and still wonder about it......

I've flown on my 757's. How the hell there could literally be NOTHING at that site is beyond belief. I've seen the video from the security camera which shows nothing,you can't see a large airliner hitting the building.

[baldguy]

12. A Boeing 757 hit the Pentagon on Sept 11, 2001

"The 757 is basically a cylinder that is 13 feet across. It then should not be surprising that it would create something around a thirteen foot hole in the side of the building."

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/pages/911_pentagon_757_plane_evidence.html

The question of WHY BushCo ALLOWED it to happen - after being warned repeatedly - has never been answered.

[rman]

15. except there was no thirteen foot hole,

until after the facade had collapsed.

[baldguy]

17. Here's a picture of a 13 ft hole

Before the facade collapsed.

[rman]

19. lol

[RC]

24. Apparently you have never been on a 757.

They are far from hollow tubes. Seats, stainless steel galleys, luggage, miles of wiring, tubing.
How can anywhere from 80 to 110 tons just disintegrate - including almost all of two 6000 pound engines? Where else has a plane just disappeared on impact as you believe here? Where else?

[farmbo]

13. The NeoCons aren't that deceptive...Not! See Operation Northwoods(1962)

http://www.ratical.org/ratville/CAH/Northwoods.html

8. It is possible to create an incident which will demonstrate
convincingly that a Cuban aircraft has attacked and shot down
a chartered civil airliner enroute from the United States to
Jamaica, Guatemala, Panama or Venezuela. The destination would
be chosen only to cause the flight plan route to cross Cuba.
The passengers could be a group of college students off on a
holiday or any grouping of persons with a common interest to
support chartering a non-scheduled flight.

a. An aircraft at Eglin AFB would be painted and
numbered as an exact duplicate for a civil registered
aircraft belonging to a CIA proprietary organization in the
Miami area. At a designated time the duplicate would be
subsituted for the actual civil aircraft and would be
loaded with the selected passengers, all boarded under
carefully prepared aliases. The actual registered
aircraft would be converted to a drone.

b. Take off times of the drone aircraft and the actual
aircraft will be scheduled to allow a rendezvous south of
Florida. From the rendezvous point the passenger-carrying
aircraft will descend to minimum altitude and go directly
into an auxiliary field at Eglin AFB where arrangements will
have been made to evacuate the passengers and return the
aircraft to its original status. The drone aircraft
meanwhile will continue to fly the filed flight plan. When
over Cuba the drone will being transmitting on the inter-
national distress frequency a "MAY DAY" message stating he
is under attack by Cuban MIG aircraft. The transmission
will be interrupted by the destruction of aircraft which will
be triggered by radio signal. This will allow IACO radio

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stations in the Western Hemisphere to tell the US what
has happened to the aircraft instead of the US trying to
"sell" the incident.

9. It is possible to create an incident which will make it
appear that Communist Cuban MIGs have destroyed a USAF aircraft
over international waters in an unprovoked attack.

a. Approximately 4 of 5 F-101 aircraft will be dispatched
in trail from Homestead AFB, Florida, to the vicinity of Cuba.
Their mission will be to reverse course and simulate fakir
aircraft for an air defense exercise in southern Florida.
These aircraft would conduct variations of these flights at
frequent intervals. Crews would be briefed to remain at
least 12 miles off the Cuban coast; however, they would be
required to carry live ammunition in the event that hostile
actions were taken by the Cuban MIGs.

b. On one such flight, a pre-briefed pilot would fly
tail-end Charley at considerable interval between aircraft.
While near the Cuban Island this pilot would broadcast that
he had been jumped by MIGs and was going down. No other
calls would be made. The pilot would then fly directly
west at extremely low altitude and land at a secure base, an
Eglin auxiliary. The aircraft would be met by the proper
people, quickly stored and given a new tail number. The
pilot who had performed the mission under an alias, would
resume his proper identity and return to his normal place
of business. The pilot and aircraft would then have
disappeared.

c. At precisely the same time that the aircraft was
presumably shot down a submarine or small surface craft
would disburse F-101 parts, parachute, etc., at approximately
15 to 20 miles off the Cuban coast and depart. The pilots
retuning to Homestead would have a true story as far as
they knew. Search ships and aircraft could be dispatched
and parts of aircraft found.

[RebelOne]

14. I am certain that there had to be a passenger list for the plane.

Where can that be found?

[rman]

18. There's much more pointing to a government cover up,

besides records of physical evidence (the problem with it being that there are only records; the actual physical evidence is gone, so it can't be checked and verified).

But there are people involved to, and people talk.

I urge everyone to check out the testimony put before the 9-11 Citizens' Commission headed by Congress woman Cynthia McKinney
http://911busters.com/911-Commission.html (audio and video)


On edit: there are many more sources to be found in the
Sibel Edmonds and other Whistleblowers Group
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topics&forum=344

[rman]

20. Sibel Edmonds:

"...we don't hear the extent of the penetration that (Al Queda) and the sub-organizations have throughout the world, throughout their networks and throughout their various activities. It's extremely sophisticated. And then you involve a significant amount of money into this equation.
Then things start getting a lot of overlap - money laundering, and drugs and terrorist activities and their support networks converging in several points. And this money travels. And you start trying to go to the root of it and it's getting into somebody's political campaign, and somebody's lobbying. And people don't want to be traced back to this money."

"...once this issue gets to be investigated, you will be seeing certain people that we know from this country standing trial; and they will be prosecuted criminally."

"There is direct evidence involving no more then ten American names that I recognized, some are heads of government agencies or politicians - but I don’t want to go any further than that."
-- Sibel Edmonds


Sibel was not at the 9-11 Citizens' Commission hearing, although her letter to the Kean Commission (official 9-11 investigation) was read by Wall Street whistleblower Indira Singh.

see "Sibel Edmonds and other Whistleblowers Group"
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topics&forum=344

[rman]

22. for anyone seriously interested,

there's the September 11 DU forum
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topics&forum=125

[dcfirefighter]

25. I was there about 1/2 hour after it happened

there were chunks of metal everywhere, more than would be from a missile. I saw landing gear, and what I believed to be the instrument panel. I spoke with other firefighters who saw the plane, and had to run from their ARFF truck to avoid being hit. These were regular guys, lifelong neighbors and friends of people I know.

A large plane hit that building.

Question whatever else you want, but I think you'll find yourself on the path to the truth if you accept the fact that a large plane hit that building.

[rman]

26. There are plenty of pictures

taken before the collapse of the facade, and before the lawn was covered with gravel.
So no-one really has to take your word for it.


Pentagon Attack Debris
There is no debris on the lawn after the Pentagon Attack that is consistent with the crash of a 100 tonne airliner.
http://911review.org/Wiki/PentagonAttackDebris.shtml