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JNelson6563 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-17-05 01:41 PM
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I need some info
I'm going to have a monthly radio gig on the local hate-talk radio station. I've agreed with my partner for this endeavor to focus on stories the corporate media hasn't covered.

One of the most amazing things about 9/11 that nobody knows about is the shorts that were on American Airline stocks. Anybody here know a good source of info for that?

I'd be grateful for any assistance on this. Also, open to suggestions on other stories not covered re: 9/11.

Julie
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rman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-17-05 02:00 PM
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1. how about the war games going on during the event?
www.cooperativeresearch.org/timeline.jsp?timeline=complete_911_timeline&before_9/11=militaryExercises

www.911truth.org/article.php?story=20050724164122860

www.911research.wtc7.net/planes/defense/wargames.html


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JNelson6563 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-17-05 02:33 PM
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2. Sure puts the lie to
"We never dreamed they'd fly airplanes into a building", doesn't it?

Thanks for the great links.

Julie
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rman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-17-05 06:44 PM
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5. same on 7/7...
BBC 5 radio
http://www.bbc.co.uk/fivelive/programmes/drive.shtml
(Listen again to Drive: Thu - starts at ~02:02:30)

ITV News
http://www.terrorize.dk/misc/london/london.terror.games.wmv

CBC
http://www.cbc.ca/sunday/#night


"If I feel as though I'm trapped in a bad sci-fi movie, I start to wonder who's writing the script." - starroute
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Kevin Fenton Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-17-05 03:09 PM
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3. Original list of hijackers
The original list of hijackers obtained by CNN did not contain Hani Hanjour, the alleged hijacker pilot of American 77. Instead it contained the name Mansour Khaled (sometimes misspelled as "Mosear Caned").

You can find the original discussion of this here:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view
_all&address=125x42650#42972

In relation to this Paul Thompson says:
Late 1998-August 10, 1999
"Pakistani Air Force Pilot Temporarily Replaces Alshehhi as Atta's Roommate"
Hijacker Marwan Alshehhi moved to Bonn, Germany in 1996, and studied German there. He then lived in Hamburg for several months in 1998, and returned to Bonn after failing a language exam. Just as he left town, a Pakistani student named Atif bin Mansour arrives in Hamburg, and begins living and studying together with Mohammed Atta. Early in 1999, Mansour applies with Mohamed Atta for a room to hold a new Islamic study group. Mansour is a pilot on leave from the Pakistani Air Force. As the Los Angeles Times puts it, "This in itself is intriguing--a Pakistani pilot? Investigators acknowledge they haven't figured out Mansour's role in the plot, if any." On this day, Mansour's brother, also in the Pakistani armed forces, is killed when his surveillance plane is shot down by India. Mansour returns home and supposedly never comes back to Germany. Soon afterwards, Alshehhi returns to Hamburg. (Los Angeles Times, 9/1/02) In March 2001, Mohamed Atta applies together with a Pakistani Air Force pilot for a security job with Lufthansa Airlines. This pilot is a member of the same Islamic study group as Mansour, but it's not clear if this is Mansour and he did come back to or stay in Germany, or if Atta was associating with a second Pakistani Air Force pilot. (Newsday, 1/24/02; Network of Terror, 11/01) The FBI later notes that Alshehhi arrived "almost as a replacement" for Mansour. After 9/11, the FBI asks Pakistan if the flight lieutenant and squad leader Mansour can be found and questioned about any possible role he may have had in the 9/11 plot, but there's no indication Pakistan as to whether has ever agreed to this request. (Rediff, 7/17/02) In late 2002, the German Federal Bureau of Criminal Investigations will say that Mansour remains "a very interesting figure." (Los Angeles Times, 9/1/02)

It's my guess that these two people - Mansour Khaled and Atif bin Mansour - are actually the same person; Muslims often have lots of names and sometimes switch between them (Atta's last name isn't actually Atta, which is one of his middle names), so the guy's full name is probably something like Atif bin Mansour Khaled.

You'll remember that ATC Danielle O'Brien, who was on duty at Dulles Airport that day and monitored American 77 as it came in, said that, "This must be a fighter," because it was going so fast and was so manouvreable. However, she wasn't referring to the type of plane, but to the manner in which it was being flown - passenger planes like to give their passengers a smooth ride for obvious reasons, whereas fighter pilots throw the plane about.

So the plane is being flown like a fighter and a fighter pilot appears to be on board. It's a shoo-in that he was flying it, not Hani.

The reason it was covered up is that it would cause trouble with Pakistan and without Pakistan it would be impossible to invade Afghanistan.
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RayUbinger Donating Member (280 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-17-05 05:38 PM
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4. FDNY complicity
Sorry I can't help you with the short-stocks angle, but if I may suggest spreading the word of some discoveries of mine at
http://911foreknowledge.com

Careful analysis of this movie (the Naudet dvd) reveals weapons-wielding firemen, and a camera crew who knew the attacks were coming. Also there were some weird things in the air, including what looks like a giant bird shadow cast onto the open sky.

Of particular shock is that the CIA-or-similar agents who infiltrated FDNY seem to have filmed themselves in the act of murdering the FDNY Chaplain, Mychal Judge, up close and personal, inside the WTC-1 lobby area shortly after the fall of WTC-2:
http://911foreknowledge.com/judge.htm


Ray Ubinger
Arrest the Naudet brothers!
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