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janedoe Donating Member (540 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-26-05 06:08 PM
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Final NIST report released today
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pox americana Donating Member (622 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-26-05 06:35 PM
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1. This should be interesting
Thanks!
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Bouvet_Island Donating Member (227 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-26-05 08:19 PM
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2. PDFs
Its funny, the PDFs are password protected and they purposefully set it to not allow copying out text. So discussing this document, it seems page references is the key.

"No pieces could be unambiguously identified as being from WTC7"

This is from the executive summary of the "steel inventory and Identification".

Now as they themselves say, it is the first highrise steels structure in history to come down because of fire alone, they are responsible for making recommendations based on this and they don't have a single piece of steel from the thing. Great.
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pauldp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-26-05 08:44 PM
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3. guess we can thank the FEMA investigation for that
little bit of "incompetence".
:eyes:
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petgoat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-27-05 01:17 AM
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4. Actually FEMA did have a sample of WTC7 steel:
See Appendix C, a report by three PhDs at Worcester Polytechnical
Institute in MA. A steel I-beam was eroded to scrolls of foil.







The metallurgists had no idea what caused this sulfidative attack,
and the report ends with a call for further investigation which AFAIK
never happened.

So NIST claims this steel doesn't exist? I guess maybe it's important, then.

http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/evidence/metallurgy/WTC_apndxC.htm

(Note the text to the left of figure C-1 duplicates other text and should be ignored.)

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Lithos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-27-05 10:42 PM
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6. They work for me
Which ones are problematic?

L-
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pox americana Donating Member (622 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-27-05 10:22 PM
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5. NIST Releases Final Report on World Trade Center Collapse
By Tom Ichniowski
10/27/2005
ENR.com

After more than three years of study, the National Institute of Standards and Technology has issued its final report on why New York City's World Trade Center collapsed in the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attack and recommends 30 actions aimed at making buildings stronger and safer. But critics charged that the voluminous report, released at an Oct. 26 House Science Committee hearing, took too long to produce and that its recommendations aren't specific enough to be translated quickly into changes in building codes and standards.

Those recommendations don't differ substantially from those in an earlier draft of the report. They cover nine areas, including increasing buildings' structural integrity, enhancing structures' fire endurance and fire protection systems and improving evacuation and emergency response. Specific recommendations include developing standards and code provisions to prevent progressive collapse in buildings and installing "fire-protected and structurally hardened elevators" in tall buildings.

Science Committee Chairman Sherwood Boehlert (R-N.Y.) praised NIST for taking seriously its congressional mandate to probe the buildings' collapse and for producing "a comprehensive and impressive report." But he said it appears that NIST's recommendations aren't written in a way to ease adoption by code-setting groups and that "the jury necessarily is still out" on whether the code groups are ready to review the recommendations fully.

Rep. Anthony D. Weiner (D-N.Y.) was more blunt, saying, "It took too long for NIST to produce a report that really doesn't get us anywhere past the 50-yard line." He contended, "The study doesn't include the level of specificity that would truly make the report a handbook for those who need to come up with building codes in the future."

more: http://enr.ecnext.com/coms2/summary_0271-22468_ITM

..............
translation: more baloney, but at least they had the sense not to screw around with existing codes and standards.
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StrafingMoose Donating Member (742 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-31-05 10:46 PM
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7. Question...
Edited on Mon Oct-31-05 10:47 PM by StrafingMoose

Did they actually had access to Minoru Yamasaki's plans and/or of the company/associates he was working for/with?

Anyways, if they did, we won't.

"In addition, a substantial portion of the evidence collected by NIST in the course of the Investigation has been provided to NIST under nondisclosure agreements"




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