Holy Shit, May I Have Hit Upon Something Here?

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

Forgive my ignorance if this has been discussed, but this theory that just popped into my head I hadn't heard yet.

It deals with flight 93. There are threads in GD right now that contained links to the LBN archives on 9/11. I started reading them and was fascinated. But then one thing really started to stick out to me. When Flight 93 crashed in PA all the initial reports coming in said it crashed in Camp David. That obviously turned out to be false.

They later claimed it fell short of its intended target of the White House. What just entered my head is that maybe its intended target WAS IN FACT CAMP DAVID! What if the "anonymous" WH sources that kept leaking details that day released to the media what was supposed to have happened, not yet realizing that 93 didn't quite make it? Afterwards, they wouldn't have been able to use that location again (far too coincidental) so they said WH instead? Look at the map below of flight 93's path. It doesn't just line up with DC, but it lines up even more perfectly with Camp David, which is about a millimeter or two map length northwest of baltimore.

Just curious if this has been discussed, or if this bears any weight?


On edit, if you can't see the pic just right click and copy the path from properties (http://911research.wtc7.net/planes/attack/flight93route add .jpg)

[stickdog]

1. I agree that you hit on something -> BAD REPUBLICAN SCREENWRITING

You hit the WTC towers in a Made-for-TV disaster movie moment to get everyone's attention, then collapse them on thousands of brave rescuers and stranded office workers to get American bloodlust and jingoism whipped into a damn-the-Constitution fervor.

But why stop there when you have extreme overkill capabilities -- in terms of both plot and spectacle?

Pentagon strike = blame inoculation (the old "I wouldn't shoot myself, now would I" misdirection shtick)

Camp David strike on the anniversary of Sadat-Begin-Carter accords = framing the patsy (the "proof" that it had to be "Islamofascists")

Funny how they didn't really need even this much proof to get us to go along with two separate invasions, isn't it? I guess they didn't realize just how easy it to manufacture consent nowadays, especially in any crisis situation.

What I don't understand is why Flight 93's Camp David mission was aborted. This mission was seemingly more important that the Pentagon strike in terms of laying the blame on the "right" suspects.

So why didn't Flight 93 reach Camp David? I'm considering three competing scenarios. All involve Flight 93's mission running late -- perhaps because its departure was delayed by 41 minutes at the gate (for example, Flight 93's flight path may have been simply preprogrammed into its autopilot computer -- making the anticipated strike time dependent on the take off times).

1) Someone in charge of executing the plot simply got cold feet because Flight 93 was taking so long (for example, said person may have realized that explaining a full military stand-down a full 30 minutes after the Pentagon attack was going to be a hard sell) and ordered it shot down or otherwise neutralized.

2) Someone in the military not in on the plan acted as a lone wolf and ordered a Flight 93 to be shot down (or otherwise neutralized) against the wishes of the plotters.

3) The passengers may have regained control of the plane (remember that both an experienced pilot and a former air traffic controller were among Flight 93's passengers), forcing someone in charge of executing the plot to shoot down or otherwise neutralize the plane.

[pauldp]

2. Do you have any links to those reports?

or links to the threads about them?

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

4. Here's A Few From Here Where It Is Mentioned

I remember it on the radio too.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/cgi-bin/duforum/duboard.cgi?az=show_thread&om=4008&forum=DCForumID5&archive=yes#1

http://www.democraticunderground.com/cgi-bin/duforum/duboard.cgi?az=show_thread&om=4007&forum=DCForumID5&archive=yes#1

[JackRiddler]

3. GASP!

This map here marks Johnstown area (location of Shanksville) and Camp David (on Catoctin Mt.) in yellow:


And here's the UA93 flight route, as per 9/11 Commission:


When the plane went down, the path was indeed pointed right at CD. (Angle's off if DC"s the target, albeit only about 15 degrees).

I think you have hit on something here!

I remember clearly FOX reported early on, before the location of the real crash in Shanksville was announced, that there had been a crash at Camp David. For a brief period after Lancaster Cty. was specified as the location of the real crash, there was confusion with reports of possibly two crashes in PA.

The next day there was brief speculation that CD had been the target, dropped soon after.

I laughed it off at the time - why bother hitting an empty vacation residence? This seemed to be a canard to win sympathy for Dubya. My idea was that the only target for 93 that made sense (given how the rest of the operation went) was the Capitol: spectacular visuals, highest building for many miles around, guts the legislature, maybe even kills a few Congress critters (dispensible politician martyrs). Make Congress meet in some industrial convention center, then they'll know who's boss. (I figured anthrax was then Plan B as the message to lawmakers.)

But now that you mention it ... the fact that there was talk of a crash at Camp David BEFORE the location of the actual event was revealed as Shanksville - pow! If they don't know yet where the real crash is, how then do they randomly assign it to Camp David? It suggests a prior script being executed, prematurely, before news gets around that reality had not conformed.

And Stickdog's thinking on this makes eminent sense. Camp David peace talks were held Sep 5-17, 1978, so it was in a sense the anniversary period. Hitting CD would have made a very coherent script for the purported Qaeda operation, wrapping the authorship up neatly.

[Ferry Fey]

5. Camp David 9/11/78

Here's a description of what was going on that day at Camp David in 1978:

At 3:00 AM, the meeting ended with the Israelis promising they would produce recommended changes to the American proposal by 8:00AM. After making revisions responding to the Israeli position, President Carter presented a revised American proposal to Sadat. Brzezinski wrote in his journal,

I am fearful that we have revised it to a point that may make it difficult for Sadat to accept our document. Carter relies heavily on his special relationship with Sadat to bring him around to a more compromising point of view, and I hope he can pull it off.
Sadat offered that he would be willing to allow the Israeli settlers to remain in the Sinai for three years and he might consider allowing Israelis to control two of the airfields in the Sinai for the same length of time. The Americans cannot reveal this position, though. Sadat would discuss the draft with his colleagues.

While the Egyptians discussed the proposal, Vance and the President both explored potential avenues of agreement with the Israelis. Vance and Dayan explored a potential Sinai agreement. Carter met with Weizman and Tamir to review the Sinai situation.

The eventual Egyptian position taken that day turned out more pessimistic than Sadat's original reaction. Foreign Minister Kamil argued that Sadat's tendency to overlook how details would undermine his position in Egypt and the Arab world had led to Sadat's original optimism. In fact, though, Kamil argued the proposal was unacceptable to Egypt in a number of ways.

In late night discussions with Dayan and Barak, the President discerned that they were adopting a more positive and compromising position.

http://www.ibiblio.org/sullivan/Negotiations-2.html#091178

[Woody Box]

6. This was the FIFTH PLANE

It was reported over all channels for a short time between 10 am and 11 am, but distinguished from the plane that crashed in Pennsylvania. But it vanished from the news quickly, leaving behind thin reports that it was shot down or crashed at Camp David.

Finally, it landed in Cleveland:

I'm sure there was a fifth plane involved that was headed toward Camp David; however, that plane was forced (yes forced, militarily) to land in Cleveland. I thought the target could also have be NASA's Glen/Lewis Research Center that is right next to the Cleveland Airport. The news reported that the plane landed because of a suspected bomb on board but they haven't released anyone that was on that plane. The closed NASA and transported everyone that was on the plane there for questioning. They are going through the plane and luggage with a fine toothed comb. The original flight plan was from Boston to LA.They closed all exits from the freeway to get into the airport and even bus drivers were told that if they attempted to exit, they would be shot. People that were already at the airport were forced to walk for miles to get transportation home because they were not even allowed to remove their cars from the parking lots.

More here:

The Secret Hijacking

[RayUbinger]

7. Hole 93

was not caused by a plane, for there was no wreckage:
http://thewebfairy.com/911/93


On the other hand there is a salient point about early "mistaken" reports of which alleged flight number allegedly crashed where. "UA175" was originally reported as the Shanksville incident, and "AA77" was originally reported as the 2nd WTC hit. How could American Airlines honestly think "77" had been hijacked all the way up to Manhattan, given the official story that it was as far west as Ohio at one point? Mixed-up pre-scripting makes more sense.


Ray Ubinger
http://911foreknowledge.com