well, here's my info

[wtbymark]

On 9/13 a fighter pilot sat down to dinner at his mom's. All of the family were at the table and my best friend is the pilot's brother. The pilot was discussing the tragic events and didn't know that there was going to be an official 'story' that was going to be released. At the time he still didn't know the implications of what he had been involved in. He turned to his brother at the dinner table and said, "you know we shot that plane down". He said that he was distressed about it (because it involved killing Americans) but it was for the greater good. He told the family that he was not the one who fired the shot (that that pilot was headed for counceling), the only other info he added was that they were 27 miles out when the missle was fired. The next day we had the oh so touching 'Let's Roll' story - the pilot never mentioned it again.

thats it, believe it or not, I don't give a shit

[Woody Box]

1. With all respect - here are my objections

If the colleague of the brother of your best friend has really shot down a plane (I assume UA 93), than I think he didn't do this without clearance from his commander-in-chief, who certainly didn't release the order without the okay of his superiors. The last one in the chain was sinister Dick Cheney.

Cheney did indeed release a conditional shoot down order, but this happened after the alleged crash of UA 93. The condition was to shoot only when the airplane refused to make contact with the military.

But now imagine this: the NEADS commander in charge (his name was Kevin Nasypany) sabotaged this order, he told the pilots emphatically to shoot down the plane under no circumstances. Source: 9/11 Commission report. Look here:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=125x29061

Sorry, the circumstances you mention - a family dinner - makes it very unlikely to me that this story is true. I don't believe it. Only the Lord knows why the colleague of the brother of your best friend invented this story.

[wtbymark]

2. the collegue didn't tell the brother

they were in the air together - the brother didn't take the shot but heard the order given. and if you believe the whitewash of the 9-11 hearings ...well...

[Ezlivin]

3. If anyone wonders how conspiracies succeed....

Many times on this board people have challenged others to offer proof that 9/11 was an inside job or that a larger conspiracy was in action. It was said "How could you keep that many people silent? Someone has to come forward and talk."

This is what happens when someone does break the silence. Oh, it's true we don't know if this story is accurate or not; how can we? But let's assume that it's 100% authentic and that the conversation took place exactly as stated. No one really cares, except for a handful of people on this board. There will be no press conference, no calls for a widespread investigation. Nothing.

If you believe the story, what will you do to prove its veracity? Are you going to launch an investigation yourself, interview the pilot?

What if you discover no faults, no errors, but only more proof? What then? Who are you going to go to? Who will listen to you?

It's been over four years. Nearly everyone has moved on, regardless of what evidence may arise now.

[MrSammo1]

4. if the jet WAS shot down..........

why not show the physical evidence.

Hearsay is worthless.

[adolfo]

11. Look at the news videos

The plane was basically confetti spread out over many acres. Only an explosion in mid air can cause such a scene.

The evidence is in plain sight, just look at it.

[hack89]

14. And just how big a warhead does an air-to-air missile have?

I don't think it is going to blow an airliner into confetti.

[adolfo]

16. Good point

Do you have a suggestion?

[hack89]

17. Sure - it hit the ground. nt

[adolfo]

18. Baseless

What do you base your assertion on when the evidence does not back up your theory?


"Spallone said the plane was still smoldering at 12:30. He said officials were trying to keep people from scene and confirmed that there are no survivors. He said the "debris field spread over an area size of a football field, maybe two footballs fields." The impact of the crash was so severe that the biggest piece of debris he has seen there is no bigger than 2 feet. "

http://www.post-gazette.com/headlines/20010911somerset0911p4.asp

http://www.flight93crash.com/flight93_secondary_debris_field.html

[hack89]

21. I'm not sure I understand what you mean. nt

[adolfo]

22. Debri field too large

If the plane crashed into the ground the debri field would be much smaller.

[hack89]

23. But you talk of confetti ..

what happens to confetti when it is thrown into the air - especially if there is a wind? Is the lighter debris further from the impact site? - an interesting question to look into.

[Christophera]

5. Flight 93 Shot Down - Known For Over A year Now - Pilot ID'ed

http://letsroll911.org/articles/flight93shotdown.html

[hack89]

6. Not according to this..

http://www.popularmechanics.com/science/defense/1227842.html?page=8&c=y

Do you have anything else?

[Christophera]

9. No. Do You Have Anything Else Besides Popular Mechanics?

Popular Mechanics debunked themselves with their support of an obvious lie.

There are many sightings of a plane in the area that has not been officially admitted to.

So, .......... if you were expecting to use government sources. No.

[hack89]

10. So neither of us has anything..

and the matter is not proven one way or the other. I can settle for that.

[file83]

26. Not quite. The Popular Mechanics article was headed by...

Benjamin Chertoff. Look him up, he's Michael Chertoff's cousin - he's obviously part of the counter intelligence op to battle the 911 truth movement.

So, that Popular Mechanics article is not only completely useless, but it's obvious that they are attempting to cover up the truth that the plane was shot down. End. Of. Story.

So, the fact that Gibney shot down 93 still stands. Of course they'll deny it happened, what do you expect them to do?

[reprehensor]

7. Was it a 'Happy Hooligan'?

Just curious.

[RayUbinger]

8. Hole 93

If there was a Flight 93 that day and if it got shot down, then it didn't hit the ground at the reported crash site, because the reported crash site had no wreckage:

http://thewebfairy.com/911/93


Ray Ubinger
http://911foreknowledge.com

[MercutioATC]

27. If it was shot down, the debris field would have been much larger than if

it had crashed intact (this is also true if there was a bomb detonated on board or the plane simply came apart in midair due to excessive loading).

The debris field WAS extensive.

To clarify, your statement that "the reported crash site had no wreckage" is patently false, though, as almost any Google link will show.

[adolfo]

12. He shouldn't worry too much

The plane was possibly remote controlled (look up "Operation Northwoods"). I base this theory on:

1.) No blood or body parts found by independent specialists at the scene.
2.) Possible plane swap at the airport

I believe you since your claim fits many reliable but "unofficial" reports. If you are interested, please message me for a free 9/11 DVD that explains the above in more detail.

[adolfo]

13. Reference link

http://flight93hoax.blogspot.com/

[hack89]

15. What " independent specialists" ?

Are you saying the FBI and local law enforcement allowed just anyone to wander through the accident site?

[jschurchin]

20. I don't know about anyone but.......

they did allow reporters into the site, which to be honest, I find unbelievable. Here is the link to the article
http://www.post-gazette.com/headlines/20010912somerscenenat4p3.asp

This passage appears about 3/4 of the way thru the article.

"Later in the afternoon, state police allowed reporters to enter the crash area. It was incongruously serene. Under a bright sun, the site where all 45 aboard the plane were killed was most remarkable for how unremarkable it appeared."

The reason I find it unbelievable is two fold. First, It is a crime scene, and as such, everything there is evidence. It needs to be marked, cataloged and collected as such.
Second, human remains need to be recovered. I lived about 2 miles from where US Air Flight 427 nose dived into the ground in 1994. The authority's allowed NO ONE except for first responders and the NTSB within about 1/2 mile of the site for about 2 weeks while they did their investigation.
Either the authorities in Shanksville are incredibly inept, or they were ordered to allow these reporters in. Either way it is unbelievable and puzzling.

[JackRiddler]

19. Source #1 please

Am rather underwhelmed so far.

[jeannicot]

24. Unbelievable!

Literally.

And my best friend's brother's collegue's frat buddy once said that...

[johnnie]

25. I have a family member who also told me it was shot down

He told me this just a few days after 9/11. I won't go into detail, but I do know that he would be one to know.

[reprehensor]

28. Was it a 'Happy Hooligan'?

I asked this of the original poster but got no reply.

Donn de Grand Pre says it was a Happy Hooligan.

[johnnie]

29. He didn't say

He just said "you know we shot that down?" and I just said "I figured". That was about all. I wasn't surprised by it, I figured that we weren't ever going to be told that the flight was shot down.