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PhilipShore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-30-06 01:51 PM
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PR Web: Experts Claim Official 9/11 Story is a Hoax
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Experts Claim Official 9/11 Story is a Hoax
January 30, 2006

http://www.prweb.com/releases/2006/1/prweb339303.htm

Scholars for 9/11 Truth call for verification and publication by an international consortium.

Duluth, MN (PRWEB) January 30, 2006 -- A group of distinguished experts and scholars, including Robert M. Bowman, James H. Fetzer, Wayne Madsen, John McMurtry, Morgan Reynolds, and Andreas von Buelow, have concluded that senior government officials have covered up crucial facts about what really happened on 9/11.

They have joined with others in common cause as members of "Scholars for 9/11 Truth" (S9/11T), because they are convinced, based on their own research, that the administration has been deceiving the nation about critical events in New York and Washington, D.C.

These experts suggest these events may have been orchestrated by elements within the administration to manipulate Americans into supporting policies at home and abroad they would never have condoned absent "another Pearl Harbor."

They believe that this White House is incapable of investigating itself and hope the possibility that Congress might hold an unaccountable administration accountable is not merely naive or wishful thinking.

They are encouraging news services around the world to secure scientific advice by taking advantage of university resources to verify or to falsify their discoveries. Extraordinary situations, they believe, require extraordinary measures.

If this were done, they contend, one of the great hoaxes of history would stand naked before the eyes of the world and its perpetrators would be clearly exposed, which may be the only hope for saving this nation from ever greater abuse.

They hope this might include The New York Times, which, in their opinion, has repeatedly failed to exercise the leadership expecedt from our nation's newspaper of record by a series of inexplicable lapses. It has failed to vigorously investigate tainted elections, lies leading to the war in Iraq, or illegal NSA spying on the American people, major unconstitutional events. In their view, The Times might compensate for its loss of stature by helping to reveal the truth about one of the great turning-point events of modern history.

Stunning as it may be to acknowledge, they observe, the government has brought but one indictment against anyone and, to the best of their knowledge, has not even reprimanded anyone for incompetence or dereliction of duty. The official conspiracy theory--that nineteen Arab hijackers under control of one man in the wilds of Afghanistan brought this about--is unsupportable by the evidential data, which they have studied. They even believe there are good reasons for suspecting that video tapes officially attributed to Osama bin Laden are not genuine.

They have found the government's own investigiation to be severely flawed. The 9/11 Commission, designated to investigate the attack, was directed by Philip Zelikow, part of the Bush transition team in the NSA sector and the co-author of a book with Condoleezza Rice. A Bush supporter and director of national security affairs, he could hardly be expected to conduct an objective and impartial investigation.

They have discovered that The 9/11 Commission Report is replete with omissions, distortions, and factual errors, which David Ray Griffin has documented in his book, The 9/11 Commission Report: Omissions and Distortions. The official report, for example, entirely ignores the collapse of WTC7, a 47-story building, which was hit by no airplanes, was only damaged by a few small fires, and fell seven hours after the attack.

Here are some of the kinds of considerations that these experts and scholar find profoundly troubling:

* In the history of structural engineering, steel-frame high-rise buildings have never been brought down due to fires either before or since 9/11, so how can fires have brought down three in one day? How is this possible?

* The BBC has reported that at least five of the nineteen alleged "hijackers" have turned up alive and well living in Saudi Arabia, yet according to the FBI, they were among those killed in the attacks. How is this possible?

* Frank DeMartini, a project manager for the WTC, said the buildings were designed with load redistribution capabilities to withstand the impact of airliners, whose effects would be like "puncturing mosquito netting with a pencil." Yet they completely collapsed. How is this possible?

* Since the melting point of steel is about 2,700*F, the temperature of jet fuel fires does not exceed 1,800*F under optimal conditions, and UL certified the steel used to 2,000*F for six hours, the buildings cannot have collapsed due to heat from the fires. How is this possible?

* Flight 77, which allegedly hit the building, left the radar screen in the vicinity of the Ohio/Kentucky border, only to "reappear" in very close proximity to the Pentagon shortly before impact. How is this possible?

* Foreign "terrorists" who were clever enough to coordinate hijacking four commercial airliners seemingly did not know that the least damage to the Pentagon would be done by hitting its west wing. How is this possible?

* Secretary of Transportation Norman Mineta, in an underground bunker at the White House, watched Vice President Cheney castigate a young officer for asking, as the plane drew closer and closer to the Pentagon, "Do the orders still stand?" The order cannot have been to shoot it down, but must have been the opposite. How is this possible?

* A former Inspector General for the Air Force has observed that Flight 93, which allegedly crashed in Pennsylvania, should have left debris scattered over an area less than the size of a city block; but it is scattered over an area of about eight square miles. How is this possible?

* A tape recording of interviews with air traffic controllers on duty on 9/11 was deliberately crushed, cut into very small pieces, and distributed in assorted places to insure its total destruction. How is this possible?

* The Pentagon conducted a training exercise called "MASCAL" simulating the crash of a Boeing 757 into the building on 24 October 2000, and yet Condoleezza Rice, among others, has repeatedly asserted that "no one ever imagined" a domestic airplane could be used as a weapon. How is this possible?

Their own physics research has established that only controlled demolitions are consistent with the near-gravity speed of fall and virtually symmetrical collapse of all three of the WTC buildings. While turning concrete into very fine dust, they fell straight-down into their own footprints.

These experts and scholars have found themselves obliged to conclude that the 9/11 atrocity represents an instance of the approach--which has been identified by Karl Rove, the President's closest adviser--of "creating our own reality."
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yurbud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-30-06 01:56 PM
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1. Do you have sources for the Mineta and air traffic control topics?
I could easily see these things being true, but I'd like to see the sources before I repeat it to others.
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Woody Box Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-30-06 02:04 PM
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2. The destroyed ATC tape story was reported by WaPo and NY Times
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MercutioATC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-30-06 10:43 PM
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17. ...and those controllers were still there any time they wanted a statement
The tape was destroyed. I don't know why it was destroyed in the manner in which it was. However, it's a complete non-issue. Those same controllers were re-interviewed anyway.
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gizmo1979 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-30-06 04:45 PM
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3. What a bunch of whooey.
Steel melts at between 1100-1650 degrees it loses it's integrity long before that.Even al jazeera hasn't had a story about hijackers being alive.This comes up every now and again and it makes us sound like a bunch of crazy people.We watched the towers come down with our own two eyes we saw the planes fly into the building wiyh our own two eyes believe what you want.
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PhilipShore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-30-06 05:41 PM
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4. I agree
I read the first 4 paragraphs, but did not, read the rest of the article-- had I read it all -- I would of never thought it was worthy of a post.
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Beam Me Up Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-30-06 05:59 PM
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5. Every day we see the sun rise.
Of course it doesn't and it only took humanity several hundred millennia to figure that out. But go ahead, believe whatever you want. If you believe that a bunch of coke snorting hoodlums can outsmart our entire national air defense and cause three steel frame buildings to collapse due to fire (which has never happened before nor since) while our president is allowed to sit in a disclosed location minutes from an international air port, etc., etc., etc., and there-after NOT ONE PERSON in a position of authority is held accountable -- if you believe all that can just coincidentally "happen," go right ahead! :eyes:
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MakeItSo Donating Member (351 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-30-06 07:22 PM
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6. wish i could be so dismissive
No steel structure has ever collapsed due to fire in human history. Building 7 was never hit by an airplane and suffered only minor fire damage, yet collapsed neatly directly on top of its foot print.

There are so many oversights and distortions in the 911 Commission Report that even Harper's magazine concluded in a cover story that it was a "white wash."

Chances are the real story about 9/11 will not come out anytime soon. Even the Democrats in Congress want the crap game to continue. If the truth ever does come out about 911 it will call into question our entire system of government.

That said, it is interesting to witness the psychology of mass denial.

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MakeItSo Donating Member (351 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-30-06 07:27 PM
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7. Interesting how OBL's body guard has been quietly released
I wonder how that fits into the picture. Also interesting to note that even the mainstream media has reported that Mohammad Atta visited Jack Abramoff's Sun cruz casino boat off the coast of Florida just days before the operation, and that Pakastani security authorities wired Atta $100,000 prior to 9/11 as well.

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hack89 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-30-06 07:50 PM
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9. WTC suffered major structural damage..
Deputy Chief Peter Hayden:

but also we were pretty sure that 7 World Trade Center would collapse. Early on, we saw a bulge in the southwest corner between floors 10 and 13, and we had put a transit on that and we were pretty sure she was going to collapse. You actually could see there was a visible bulge, it ran up about three floors. It came down about 5 o’clock in the afternoon, but by about 2 o’clock in the afternoon we realized this thing was going to collapse.



http://www.firehouse.com/terrorist/911/magazine/gz/hayd ...

Deputy Chief Nick Visconti:

I don’t know how long this was going on, but I remember standing there looking over at building 7 and realizing that a big chunk of the lower floors had been taken out on the Vesey Street side.





http://www.firehouse.com/terrorist/911/magazine/gz/visc ...


Battalion Chief John Norman:


From there, we looked out at 7 World Trade Center again. .... but at the edge of the south face you could see that it was very heavily damaged.

We were told to go to Greenwich and Vesey and see what’s going on. So we go there and on the north and east side of 7 it didn’t look like there was any damage at all, but then you looked on the south side of 7 there had to be a hole 20 stories tall in the building, with fire on several floors. Debris was falling down on the building and it didn’t look good.




http://www.firehouse.com/terrorist/911/magazine/gz/norm ...


Boyle: There was a huge gaping hole and it was scattered throughout there. It was a huge hole. I would say it was probably about a third of it, right in the middle of it. And so after Visconti came down and said nobody goes in 7, we said all right, we’ll head back to the command post. We lost touch with him. I never saw him again that day.



http://www.firehouse.com/terrorist/911/magazine/gz/boyl


http://wtc.nist.gov/pubs/NISTNCSTAR1-81.pdf

page 165


One Battalion Chief coming from the building indicated that they had searched floors 1 through 9 and found that the building was clear.390 In the process of the search, the Battalion Chief met the building’s Fire Safety Director and Deputy Fire Safety Director on the ninth floor. The Fire Safety Director reported
that the building’s floors had been cleared from the top down. By this time, the Chief Officer responsible for WTC 7 reassessed the building again and determined that fires were burning on the following floors:
6, 7, 8, 17, 21, and 30.391 No accurate time is available for these actions during the WTC 7 operations; however, the sequence of event indicates that it occurred during a time period from 12:30 p.m. to
approximately 2:00 p.m.

The Chief Officer then met with his command officer to discuss the building’s condition and FDNY’s capabilities for controlling the building fires. A Deputy Chief who had just returned from inside the
building reported that he had conducted an inspection up to the 7th or 8th floor.392 He indicated that the stairway was filling with smoke and that there was a lot of fire inside the building. The chiefs discussed the situation and the following conditions were identified:

• The building had sustained damage from debris falling into the building, and they were not sure about the structural stability of the building.

• The building had large fires burning on at least six floors. Any one of these six fires would have been considered a large incident during normal FDNY operations.

• There was no water immediately available for fighting the fires.

• They didn’t have equipment, hose, standpipe kits, tools, and enough handie talkies for conducting operations inside the building.

At approximately, 2:30 p.m., FDNY officers decided to completely abandon WTC 7, and the final order was given to evacuate the site around the building. 395, 396 The order terminated the ongoing rescue
operations at WTC 6 and on the rubble pile of WTC 1. Firefighters and other emergency responders were withdrawn from the WTC 7 area, and the building continued to burn. At approximately 5:20 p.m., some three hours after WTC 7 was abandoned the building experienced a catastrophic failure and collapsed.

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hack89 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-30-06 07:53 PM
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11. How many buildings suffered severe structural damage before the fire? n/t
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Pastiche423 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-31-06 01:15 AM
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18. mass denial
I like that. It describes the majority of U.S. citizens, including a few on this thread.
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pauldp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-30-06 07:32 PM
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8. did you see building 7 come down with your own eyes?
One of the most bizarre building collapses in history - caught on tape from 4 angles and almost nobody ( except those who are curious) has seen it. The networks refuse to show it. Figure that one out.
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hack89 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-30-06 07:51 PM
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10. When was the last time you saw any 911 footage on TV?
just curious - I am wracking my brain and can't really remember the last time.
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pauldp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-30-06 08:04 PM
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13. That's an interesting observation also.
However, in the days after 911 I watched TV almost non-stop and I NEVER saw building 7 come down.
In the months that followed I saw all of the footage of the towers coming down and the plane impacts over and over and over, yet I NEVER saw building 7 come down. I used to watch CNN everyday when 911 coverage was 24/7 and I NEVER saw building 7 come down.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-30-06 08:00 PM
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Desertrose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-30-06 08:53 PM
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15. Maybe the others, but not Beam Me Up.....
Did you read his post?

I actually thought it was quite interesting.

No way is BMU a troll.

DR
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Beam Me Up Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-30-06 09:20 PM
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16. Thanks, Desertrose!

It's true that I do look a bit trolish in real life--age does that to one who has lived long and hard.

Appreciate the stand-up defence! :hi:
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Desertrose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-31-06 03:03 PM
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20. anytime, BMU
:hug: age....yeah, about that :evilgrin:

Guess we just gotta stick together.:hi:
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renaldo Donating Member (42 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-31-06 02:13 AM
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19. my apologies to Beam Me Up
I screwed up there, I shouldn't have included you in the troll pile. Sometimes I read too fast, jump the gun, and swallow my foot!
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Desertrose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-30-06 08:44 PM
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14. Not really..you're using Cº not Fº- there is a big difference
When the steel starts to melt at 1450 ºC


"Most steel has other metals added to tune its properties, like strength, corrosion resistance, or ease of fabrication. Steel is just the element iron that has been processed to control the amount of carbon. Iron, out of the ground, melts at around 1510 degrees C (2750°F). Steel often melts at around 1370 degrees C (2500°F)."

Here's the link

And no, we are not "crazy people". Crazy people are the ones who don't ask questions IMO.
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