The Mystery of Hijacker Waleed Alshehri

[paulthompson]

Something that would be a fertile ground for research would be the times the hijackers lived in the US before the FBI claims they first arrived. I'm kind of thinking aloud and researching as I type this. Maybe someone else can dig up more.

Everyone focuses on the leaders, and forgets about the "muscle." Whereas I think some of the muscle are very interesting people indeed and probably some of the pilots and leaders. Take a look at Waleed Alshehri, for instance.

According to the testimony of FBI Director Mueller, he first arrived in the US on April 23, 2001. But this is clearly wrong - he'd been here for years. Why the cover up of this fact? Some info (I put my comments within < >, the rest are newspaper quotes):


Alshehri is said to have given seven different dates of birth for himself on various documents, ranging from 1974 to 1979. He's believed to have been in the U.S. since at least 1994, when he got a Social Security card and a Florida driver's license.

Alshehri graduated in 1997 from Embry-Riddle Aeronautical University in Daytona Beach, Fla., and had a commercial pilot's license.

Besides Daytona Beach, he is believed to have lived in Hollywood, Fla.; Boynton Beach, Fla., where a neighbor describes him as a nice guy who was a fan of the Florida Marlins; and Vienna, Va., at a boarding house three blocks away from the headquarters of the Central Intelligence Agency.

Alshehri is said to have moved out of the boarding house 14 months ago, telling the landlord he was returning to Saudi Arabia, his homeland.

CBS News
September 27, 2001
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2001/09/14/archive/main311329.shtml


Computer records indicate that (Ahmed) Alghamdi began living at an apartment complex on Dunn avenue in Daytona Beach in about 1996. The 200-unit complex is located a few blocks away from the Embry-Riddle Aeronautical University, which trained at least one of the other terrorists, Waleed Alshehri in 1997. Alshehri and Alghamdi appeared to live at the same address at about the same time. Alshehri has been in the United States since at least 1994, when he got a Social Security number and a Florida driver's license, records show.

Boston Globe, 9/15/01


In 1993, Waleed Alshehri, one of the terrorists on American Airlines Flight 11 from Boston that hit the north tower of the World Trade Center, enrolled at Embry-Riddle University, where he received a bachelor's degree in aviation science four years later, according to school spokesman Robert Ross. During that time, records show Alshehri lived in apartment in Daytona Beach.

At least two of the other hijackers and two other Arabic men also lived in the same apartment as Alshehri, beginning in 1996, but their names are not on the list of hijackers released by the FBI. It could not be determined yesterday if those two men, as well as a woman who also lived at the address, are among the 100 people being sought for questioning by the FBI.

Boston Herald, 9/16/01


Two of the suspected terrorists, Ahmed Alghamdi and Waleed Alshehri, stayed at the (Dunn Avenue) Anatole Apartments in Daytona Beach, Fla., in 1997, said Eric Bolten, president of Mid-America Apartment Communities, which owns the apartment complex.

The $500-per-month apartments, with access to hot tubs and tennis courts, are a mile from Daytona Beach International Airport and near the Embry-Riddle Aeronautical University. Bolten said his Memphis-based company is cooperating with the FBI.

Ahmed Alghamdi also is linked to two other addresses less than a mile south of the Daytona Beach airport, as well as one within three miles of the Spruce Creek Airport.


The Pittsburgh Tribune-Review
September 26, 2001
http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/tribune-review/regional/s_55522.html


Two other suspects - Saeed Alghamdi and Waleed Al Shehri - had Florida links. They had an apartment in Daytona Beach, north of Orlando.

Al Shehri, thought to have been involved in the 1993 bomb attack on the Trade Center, resurfaced in Florida a year later.

Both enrolled at the Embry-Riddle Aeronautical University, where Al Shehri studied for a commercial pilot's licence and graduated in December 1997.

The Mirror, 9/17/01


<So let's review. Waleed Alshehri lived in the same apartment with Saeed Alghamdi at one point and with Ahmed Alghamdi at another, and one point all three were in the same apartment together! Yet these three aren't supposed to come to the US until years later. The FBI says this is all a big misunderstanding, and all of these people were other people with the same name. So the media completely stopped investigating these early links by the end of Sept. 2001.>

<Which brings me to the timeline entry I've made about the stay at Vienna, Virigina:>

1999 (H): Diane and John Albritton later say they call the CIA and police this year several times to report suspicious activity at a neighbor's home, but authorities fail to respond. (MSNBC, 9/23/01, New York Daily News, 9/15/01) Hijacker Waleed Alshehri is renting the house on Orrin Street in Vienna, Virginia at the time (three blocks from a CIA headquarters). (AP, 9/15/01) He makes his neighbors nervous. "There were always people coming and going," said Diane Albritton. "Arabic people. Some of them never uttered a word; I don't know if they spoke English. But they looked very focused. We thought they might be dealing drugs, or illegal immigrants." (New York Times, 9/15/01) Ahmed Alghamdi lived at the same address until July 2000. (Fox News, 6/6/02, World Net Daily, 9/14/01) Waleed Alshehri lived with Ahmed Alghamdi in Florida for seven months in 1997. (Telegraph, 9/20/01) Albritton says they observed a van parked outside the home at all hours of the day and night. A Middle-Eastern man appeared to be monitoring a scanner or radio inside the van. Another neighbor says, "We thought it was a drug house. All the cars parked on the street were new BMWs, new Mercedes. People were always walking around out front with cellphones." There were frequent wild parties, numerous complaints to authorities, and even a police report about a woman shooting a gun into the air during a party. (World Net Daily, 9/14/01, note that this is a highly partisan publication) Other neighbors also called the police about the house. (AP, 9/14/01) "Critics say (the case) could have made a difference (in stopping 9/11) had it been handled differently." Standard procedures require CIA to notify FBI of such domestic information. But FBI officials have not been able to find any record that the CIA shared the information. (Fox News, 6/6/02)


<So very bizarre behavior seen THREE BLOCKS FROM CIA HEADQUARTERS. What are the odds of this Waleed Alshehri again being a mistaken identity when he's living with the same hijacker he'd been living with in Florida, Ahmed Alghamdi? Interestingly, the Fox News story from mid-2002 says investigators are still undecided if the Virginia Waleed is the hijacker, even though he's obviously the same guy as the early Florida guy who they long ago concluded wasn't the hijacker!>

<He also lived in Germany with Atta and Alshehri for a time:>

Two of the central suspects, Mohamed Atta and Marwan Alshehhi, were enrolled at a university in Hamburg before coming to Florida. And they shared an apartment with a third man -- Waleed Al Shehri -- who was also among the dead hijacking suspects, German authorities and media reports say. Al Shehri graduated from Embry-Riddle Aeronautical University in Daytona Beach in 1997 and is listed as having a commercial pilot's certificate.

The Miami Herald
September 15, 2001
http://web.archive.org/web/20011019090410/www.miami.com/herald/special/news/worldtrade/digdocs/046328.htm

<This talks about the Hamburg apartment where Mohamed Atta lived:>

According to German news accounts, the residents of the apartment at times also included Waleed Alshehri, 25, who was trained to fly large aircraft such as the American Airlines flight from Boston on which he died. Property records show that Waleed most recently lived at the same address in Daytona Beach as Ahmed B. Alshehri, a former second secretary of the Embassy of Saudi Arabia in Washington. Both men formerly lived in Vienna, Va., simultaneously.

On Thursday, Hamid ``Avis'' Keshavarznia, who had been the suspected hijacker's landlord in Vienna, recalled that the elder Alshehri worked for the Saudi Embassy.

Washington Post, 9/14/01

<You can see how the Florida and Virginia Waleeds are the same guy, having lived with the same father in both places. Also note that the Hamburg apartment Atta stayed in was closed out in Feb. 2001. Yet officially Waleed only leaves his Saudi Arabia home with his brother for Mecca in Dec. 2000. So how could he be seen at times in the German apartment, unless it's all in January and February, 2001? Highly unlikely, because he is said to have gone to Chechnya.>

<He is later seen in Florida speaking fluent German:>

This past May, Mr. Shehri stayed at the Bimini Motel Apartments, on Ocean Drive in Hollywood, for a month. Joanne Solic, the manager of the low-cost motel, said Mr. Shehri stayed with another man, whose name she could not remember, and paid $650 cash for both. They got a one-bed room with an extra pull-out bed.

Although the men were from the Middle East, Ms. Solic said they spoke German. Two days before the men arrived, another German- speaking Middle Eastern man came in and said he had two friends coming to town and they needed a place for a month. "He spoke German and wanted to see the rooms," Ms. Solic said, adding that her husband spoke German and could talk with them.

New York Times, 9/15/01


<This is bizarre. Not only does he speak fluent German, but by all accounts he speaks very fluent English. Yet the FBI says he's merely 21 years old on 9/11 (his age varies, but they seem to have settled on that number), and had never left his remote provice of Asir, Saudi Arabia until going to Mecca not long before going to the US.>

<He also apparently attends an important al-Qaeda meeting in Spain with his brother in July 2001, showing he's not just some clueless muscle guy.>

Here's more:

Randy Baines lived at the same long-term hotel in Boynton Beach, Fla., this summer as a man who called himself Waleed Alshehri, allegedly one of the hijackers on American Airlines Flight 11 that hit the World Trade Center on Sept. 11.

Baines, a 48-year-old carpenter, talked about football and baseball with Alshehri, who appeared to be a Florida Marlins' fan.

"He was a really nice guy, very hospitable," Baines said. "But if he was involved in one of those plane crashes, I hope he goes to hell."

The Associated Press
September 21, 2001
http://www.nctimes.com/news/2001/20010921/70203.html


<This Alshehri guy definitely sounds like someone who has spent a long time in the US. He's licensed to fly multi-engine aircraft. Compare him to some of the other muscle guys, one of whom didn't even know how to screw in a lightbulb.>

<There are two pairs of Alshehri brothers - one pair are the sons of a Saudi diplomat, the other sons of some guy in a remote province. I suggest they really were the sons of the diplomat, and the other brother pair is a cover story to hide these guys' very strange histories. I think understanding what these guys were doing living 3 blocks from CIA headquarters and their ties to the Saudi embassy is absolutely essential in understanding 9/11.>

<Mediaanalyse, or anyone else with German ties, can you find out if more is known about his time in Germany? When exactly he was there? That could help prove that the official story for this guy is completely impossible. Many of the other so called "muscle" hijackers have even more interesting histories and were in the US even longer, but that's for another time.>

[SlavesandBulldozers]

1. nevermind

[medienanalyse]

2. for sure the story is impossible - Al-Sheri is a phantom

His whole existence is a fake.
I researched a little bit when last summer our book was criticised in the "Spiegel", on TV and in other main media, but the "Spiegel" was the main one. We used the term "living hijackers" which is for sure contradictory, but any child knows a body cannot be alive and a living man cannot be dead in the WTC. But the "Spiegel" played with the word "zombie" and joked why we did not phone the Whalled Al-Shri in Casablanca. Who, as they "found out", was alive (what we had said) and he was mentioned by some media which just made a mistake, and we could have solved the mystery easily. That is the whole story. Which is misleading because we wanted to show that the identity of the allged hijackers is unclear, better: completly untrue.

- Our intention was: let us speak about the bodies unidentified ( 9 of them on ice, AA77 and UAL93) of the alleged hijackers.
- Their intention was: let us speak about the living ones and why the were (allegedly by mistake) named as hijackers.

A vivid role was the existence of fotos. I could prove that the Casavlanca guy felt identified not only by profession and name, but also by birthday AND Foto before Sept. 27th, when the "complete" list of suspects was published by the FBI.

All about that you can find in my file
http://www.medienanalyse-international.de/spiegelmethoden.html

which is in German - but most of the links are English. So I hope you find delightful news there.
Whereever you point - they will say: oh, a mistake, it is the wrong one. They never say: here is the right one, here are his mother, father, fotos, life in school and so on. Only of the pilots and of the CIA assets who brought them to do what was suspicious you will find "real" lifes. The pilots, Al-Hasmi, Al-Midhar and my baby Binalshib.

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[paulthompson]

5. wierder and weirder

Here's the ABC interview with the father. They had him in the studio with Barbara Walters and everything:

http://abcnews.go.com/sections/2020/DailyNews/2020_hijacker_families_020315.html

These interviews with him and the father of Ahmed Alnami are just about the only interviews of any hijacker relatives in the US media I've ever seen.

I noticed the father says the sons actually diddled around Mecca and came back home in early 2001 before leaving Saudi Arabia and completely disappearing, so I don't see how they could be at Atta's Hamburg apartment at all.

But what's really wierd is that the diplomat father apparently claims the guy in Morocco as his son. Yet he also says in other articles he had both Wail and Waleed as sons, and the guy in Morocco says he has no brother Wail!


Father of Saudi Suspect in US Terror Attacks Denies Involvement

Agence France Presse
September 18, 2001



A Saudi diplomat who worked in Washington has denied the involvement of his son in last week's attacks in the United States, saying his boy is still alive and well, a newspaper reported Tuesday.

Ahmad Balghaith Abdulla al-Shehri said his son Waleed al-Shehri was not a passenger of the hijacked planes and is working as a pilot with Saudi Arabian Airlines (SAA), Al-Iqtissadia reported.

The father, who now works at the foreign ministry in Riyadh, said his son carries the same name and has the same age as in the information released by the Federal Bureau of Investigations. The son lived in Florida and Virginia in the United States where he graduated as a pilot.

The father said he himself was posted to the Washington embassy for five years before moving to the Saudi consulate in Bombay, India in 1998 and Waleed lived with him there.

On Sunday, another father of two sons called Waleed and Wail Mohammad al-Shehri, listed as suspects by the FBI, said he lost track of them 10 months ago when they left their home in southern Saudi Arabia for the holy city of Madina.

He said Wail, 21, was mentally ill and had gone to Madina for treatment by a cleric, accompanied by his older brother Waleed.

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[paulthompson]

7. yet more wierdness

I've found another article:

The Highway of Death

The London Times (Sunday)
January 27, 2002

That article specifically states while the run away to Mecca brothers came from a wealthy family, and some of their older brothers learned some English, they spoke no foreign languages.

So how is Waleed fluent in both English and German, long time fan of the Florida Marlins, etc???

Also, there's another interview, not online, with Waleed's older brother around the same time as the Barbara Walters interview with the father. It looks like there was a charm offensive right around then. It's billed as the first ever interview with any hijacker relative.

Brothers

Up-close look at two of the hijackers of September 11th

by John Hockenberry
Dateline NBC
March 13, 2002

[paulthompson]

9. links

Here are links to the two deleted posts above. I copied too much of the text in.

http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/timeline/2001/assharqalausat092201.html

http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/timeline/2001/palmbeachpost101701.html

[RH]

8. Gymnastics?

Did any of the 19 appear to be at all athletic?

Not the types, I would have thought.

But the 77 bunch (Hanjour, Moqed and Almihdhar) also hung out at a gym. According to my notes they bought $30 weekly memberships at Gold's Gym in Greenbelt, Md. They paid cash from a large wad of bills. Nawaf Alhazmi also bought daily passes. This was September 2001, during their last week or two.

My hunch is that there are more gym connections to be found, and a reason for them.

[paulthompson]

11. Yes

Some look muscular and bulky in the photos, others do not.

As far as gyms go, there's more examples of them doing that. But the hijackers often appear strangely unmotivated. For instance, this (from my timeline):

Three others - Waleed Alshehri, Wail Alshehri and Satam al-Suqami - "simply clustered around a small circuit of machines, never asking for help and, according to a trainer, never pushing any weights. 'You know, I don't actually remember them ever doing anything ... They would just stand around and watch people.'"

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Laziness? They don't know what their mission is? They know it's all an act? From the few examples I could gather, it seems the pilot types exercised vigorously whereas the "muscle" didn't, when one would think it's the other way around.

[RH]

17. Why was that deleted?

:shrug:

Without the information the sense of the thread is wrecked.

[RedSock]

18. deleted

I think Paul copied too much of the articles into his post and that was against DU/copyright rules (4 paragraph limit) and a moderator deleted them. So Paul copied the two (?) links so we could still read the articles.

[RH]

19. OK. Here are the few bits about the Boynton Beach Gym.

On June 21, 2001 Waleed Alshehri checked into room B-308 of the Homing Inn on a busy
stretch of Federal Highway in Boynton Beach. He would check out on July 26. Wail
Alshehri and hijack suspect Satam al-Suqami used the hotel's address for Florida
driver licenses on July 3, and all three bought memberships at a World Gym in Boynton Beach.

.... While in Boynton Beach Waleed also might have bought a one-month membership at World Gym, just west of the city.

------------------------------

[paulthompson]

21. Yes

As RedSock points out, check out post #9.

I had a few comments too. I said the Palm Beach Post article is essential reading. Just about the only article that recognizes the problem of two sets of brothers and tries to make sense of it.

The Arabian language interview article is key, because the Waleed interviewed there makes clear he has no Wail brother. He also mentions elsewhere to the press that he's been flying for Saudi Arabian airlines for the past four years. So he cannot be the person living in Washington DC in 1999. Yet the diplomat claims this guy for his son.

[medienanalyse]

10. I disagree: not weird

Take it together. The person we are looking for can not be

- the son of the Bombay diplomat
- the Casablanca guy
- the Embry Riddle pilot
- the Khamis Mushait one

(see here http://www.boston.com/news/packages/underattack/news/driving_a_wedge/part1_side.shtml
he came back to Saudi Arabia in December 2000, but the allegedly real Waleed stayed in the USA since 24.October ...)

And you can always say: "because of". We have logic and good sources to say "it can`t be ...". The conclusion is: the person we are looking for never existed, but it has parts of this character, that foto, this birtday, that name and so on. There are old jokes about those who always come to late. The CIA/NSA/PNAC/FBI are always the masters of the universe because they drop information where ever they want and withdraw it with a smile, when we come to close.
Remember that if you take the official FBI photos most of the witnesses say: "no that is not him" and nobody claims: yes that is him and here I have some more pics.

It is not weird - it is the result of a pre-planned operation using real persons (the allged pilots + the main CIA assets) and some CIA-dummies in the weeks before 9/11 who just told "my name is xyz, and look how suspicious I am".

There are puzzles which will never fit together because there never was a whole complete picture first. Some of the information-bits are so poor that it gets obvious. Mohald Al-Sheri. Suquami and so are nearly only existing as names and fotos. CIA officials are sometimes lazy in fantasysing. Telling fairy tales makes the parents sleepy too.
The greatest mistakes could be eradicated in the first weeks (i.e. simply to take Arabic names from flight schools)

[paulthompson]

12. weird?

MA,

This is something I think you and I are going to have to agree to disagree with, unless you can come up with more evidence supporting your point. I think the "muscle" did exist and did wander around the US. But it's kind of a minor point, because the important point is that a false trail was being laid down.

I this this is one of the most important quotes about 9/11, from a US intelligence official told to the New Yorker about the hijackers:

"Whatever trail was left was left deliberately — for the FBI to chase."

Thanks for the Boston Globe article. It is again wildly inconsistent with everything else we know. I think this is typical: when something curious leaks out, make the picture so muddled that nobody can understand what's happening and people throw up their hands in confusion and give up. The same thing happened with Saeed Sheikh, for instance.

Interesting too that article came out in March 2002. There was a lot of the Alshehris in the news that month.

The fact that there's so many alternate stories about the Alshehris put up says to me there is an important truth about them that needs to be obscured.

[medienanalyse]

15. weird or planned

I agree to disagree with you, Paul.

By asking me for more evidence supporting my point you put me into the position to prove the nonexistence of something, and in fact you take the position of the FBI: here is my allegation, it stands as long as you prove that we are wrong.

It doesn`t work that way.

You are looking for "the real one" and you sort out who can not be the real one. Besides you stumble across thousands of similar persons, names, professions, who are artifically interwoven with the person you are looking for.
This work will never end. Never.

I am the least who would say there was "no Al-Sheri". Just the opposite, I said: "some CIA-dummies in the weeks before 9/11 who just told "my name is xyz, and look how suspicious I am". "

Who must prove what? Shall we do the work for the FBI? Impossible. I ask the FBI what is THEIR evidence that the quarter-personality of a weekly-existing Al-Sheri did 9/11?

Keep in mind: you need pics to get the drivers license, to get the license to fly, and normally fotos are taken of graduates in whatever you learn. There should be at least ten pics of a Al-Sheri/Florida which should be comparable with a Al-Sheri/Saudi-Arabia. All together combined with genetic material and with some nodding neighbours,schoolfriends and so on make a real person.

But what we find is not a FBI that is spreading evidence (to lure out more of the friends. colleagues and neighbourships) but a FBI that DESTROYS the rare bits of evidence. With destroy I mean DESTROY (not collect and hide). This is proven, witnesses all over Florida.

Now it is your turn again.

[RH]

16. No, it is still your turn.

You wrote

"most of the witnesses say: "no that is not him"

That is a positive statement; no question of proving a negative.

Which of the witnesses said that?

From what I have seen so far there was no shortage at all of witnesses to identify the suspects from the FBI photos if not from their own declarations.

[medienanalyse]

22. no it is not my turn

again: those who claim "Mr.X is the murderer" must prove who respectively he is the murderer.

I must not prove he is not. The alleged murderer must not prove he is not. He could even tell not the truth, he could be bad, evil, stinky. The only one who must bring evidence is the prosecutor.

For sure it is usefull if the defending side has evidence too, whatever kind it may be.

By chance I have witnesses who did not recognize the suspects. Jarrah, Hanjour, and a lot of the first published fotos of the "minors" were exchanged (and nobody asked later if those are the "real" ones. Yes even Atta was not recognized by somebody who should really be able to recognize him:
http://www.sun-herald.com/NewsArchive2/091401/tp4ch14.htm?date=091401&story=tp4ch14.htm

"The first photo they showed us was the pilot who crashed into the first building," Vonnie LaConca said. "It was not Mohamed or his friend. But the last picture they showed us was very close, but I could not say 100 percent that it was him."

But I do not discuss that, it is not my issue. I just posted the link to demonstrate that I know what I am talking about.

The identity is not cleared. That is my statement. The bushist have to prove their allegations. That is the main line, RH.

[RH]

23. "Murderer" is completely beside the point.

The subject under discussion was the existence of the suspects N.B. "suspects"

Your particiular claim in question was "if you take the official FBI photos most of the witnesses say: "no that is not him"

The Sun-Herald, Elaine Allen-Emrich article fails to confirm that.

It would rather appear to confirm the possibility that according to at least one witness a suspect possibily did exist:
"...the last picture they showed us was very close, but I could not say 100 percent that it was him."

[Woody Box]

24. yet weirder

From the Globe link:

He explained that his father had built the local mosque and was a devout Muslim who refused his sons any link to modernity, for within the strict puritanism of the Wahabi school of Islam these things are strictly forbidden: No satellite TV. No Internet. No music. And definitely no girls until they were old enough for an arranged marriage.


These guys from Khamis Mushait apparently never had any sexual contact to a woman in their live.

But two days before fulfilling their mission, their behavior changed rapidly, at least of one of them: he rented a hooker in Boston.

A driver for a pair of local escort services told the Herald yesterday that he drove a call girl to the Park Inn in Chestnut Hill on Sept. 9 around 10:30 p.m. where she bedded down with one of the mass murderers. It was her second trip to the terrorist's room that day.

Two of the hijackers aboard Flight 11 that crashed into the World Trade Center - Waleed M. Alshehri and Wail Alshehri - spent Sept. 9 in the Route 9 hotel, sources said.

"She went there earlier in the day and then again later in the night,'' the driver said of the escort. "She saw just one guy when I drove her over there.''

The escort, a white blond woman in her early 20s, had a 20 minute tryst in the hotel room with one of the hijackers. She was paid $180 in cash, the driver said.

"She freaked out when she saw his picture on TV,'' he said. "She recognized one of the faces.'' Managers for the Park Inn did not return phone calls seeking comment.

http://www.google.de/search?q=cache:WSZvys7I75sJ:www.unansweredquestions.org/timeline/2001/bostonherald101001.html+%22alshehri%22%2B%22park+inn%22&hl=de&ie=UTF-8

[John Doe II]

25. Already in May 2001

May-August 2001:

Mohamed Atta, Al-Shehri, Nawaq Alhamzi, Ziad Jarrah, and Hani Hanjour
“made at least six trips”
to Las Vegas.
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/chronicle/archive/2001/10/04/MN102970.DTL

“The self-styled warriors for Allah -- who believed their hijackings would earn them eager virgins in heaven -- engaged in some decidedly un-Islamic sampling of prohibited pleasures in America's reputed capital of moral corrosion.”
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/chronicle/archive/2001/10/04/MN102970.DTL


“They stayed in cheap hotels on a dreary stretch of the Strip frequented by dope dealers and $10 street hookers."
(Newsweek, 10/15/01)



They went to the Olympic Garden Topless Cabaret.
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/chronicle/archive/2001/10/04/MN102970.DTL

[RH]

3. To begin with

it would help to see a comprehensive timeline, to work out the relationships between the various suspects. I have had it in mind to construct a table to show at least when and where they met and stayed together.

The trouble then is "complete".

I got as far as assembling some dates and links for the flight 77 bunch.

I have also glanced at Atta's trail through Las Vegas and Portland but when it goes back to Florida and Hamburg there are an awful lot of tracks to follow, with a pitfall of some sort at every turn.

[paulthompson]

13. yep

That's something I'd like to see too. That could be really useful.

[spooked911]

26. Has anyone put together some sort of networking map/timeline for the 9/11

hijackers as RH is referring to?

Seems like something that should be done.

[paulthompson]

14. This cracks me up

From the Boston Globe, 9/15/01:

And a Saudi newspaper editor yesterday said two of the hijackers, brothers Waleed and Wail al Shehri, were the sons of a Saudi diplomat, Ahmed al-Shehri.

Reached by the Globe in New Delhi, where he is third secretary of the Saudi embassy, Ahmed al-Shehri equivocated when asked if the two hijackers were his sons.

"I have no idea. Maybe," said al-Shehri, who worked as an attache at the Saudi embassy in Washington until 1996. "How do I know? We have a half-million Shehris in Saudi Arabia."

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What a staunch defense of his children! :) This shows he had sons with the same names. Also, he hasn't heard from them after 9/11, and in fact there is no evidence of them ever existing after 9/11 except for the father's claim of the Waleed in Morocco, who says he doesn't even have a brother named Wail.

[RH]

20. It will probably be much the same

wherever you wander. There may be many people around who knew a lot more about their activities than it would be wise for anybody to confess to.

At the same time it looks if some of the supects were trying to attract attention when they'd be safer to stay quiet. There is a sense of prodigal recklessness to much of what went on, not befitting to the careful planning we are are supposed to believe in. It looks even as if they fully expected to enjoy some sort of immunity.