It has all been LIHOP/MIHOP

[deminks]

I am now convinced. And, I don't see much difference anymore between LIHOP and MIHOP. There is such a pattern here.

Bush knew:

No WMD
Terrorists were trying to hit buildings with planes
The levees would break

Bush Lied:

WMD
No one could imagine the terrorists would fly planes into buildings
No one could imagine the levees would break or We are fully prepared

Thousands died:

Iraq
9/11
Katrina


When will America say no more? Enough is enough. Jesus Mary and Joseph.

[Obamarama]

1. I second that!

Great post!

[bigbrother05]

32. Wanted Something To Happen (WSTH)

Think they were itching for a fight. They dared them to knock the chip off their shoulder and were hit up side the head with a 2 by 4.

Why else do you put Rummy in charge of the diplomacy in the ME and send Powell on Photo Op tours thru 3rd world countries? From the time they got to DC, they went out of their way to insult and/or piss on folks in all the potential hot spots.

Typical bullies, if you think you can't get away with just attacking someone, pick at them until you get a reaction that will allow you to do what you wanted all along.

[madokie]

36. you got it figured out fore shore

[benburch]

2. You are right about the first and third...

Wrong on the second... Terrorists DID hit the buildings with planes, and BUSH KNEW that they were coming, and even called off the very people who were on their trail so they would not be stopped.

[Blackthorn]

6. That's they impression created yes...

But the central premise of the OP is still correct. The same people that run the Bush Administration are the same people that were involved in 9/11, and I'd bet that a few high level WH staff knew it was coming.

[soulcore]

10. let's also not forget the "plane" that hit the pentagon...

Just enough damage to be credible, and in the perfect spot to rile up the raa-raa-patriotic-lets-go-kick-some-ass-american in all of us.

Release the videotapes from the Sheraton hotel, gas station and highway cams that showed what hit the pentagon.

Disclose what was hidden under this tarp and carried away.

Explain why these men were moving and removing debris.

Explain how a 757 can create this little damage.


Apologies for the :tinfoilhat: moment, it's been a long day.

[benburch]

11. Actually, that one is totally believable as a 757 too.

And the eyewitness reports of 100+ people seem to seal that one.

[soulcore]

12. there were also eyewitness reports of the dead in shanksville

even though they seem to contradict the county coroner who's quoted as saying that he has yet to this day seen an body recovered from that crash, as well as reports that flight 93 actually landed at Cleveland Hopkins Airport that morning.

An interesting side note is that the Army DNA Lab did all the DNA testing for the Pentagon and Shanksville crashes.

I'm assuming you're aware of the more common :tinfoilhat: facts about some hijackers still being alive, the 16 ft. "punch out" hole in the E ring of the pentagon, the flight data recorders that WERE in fact recovered from Ground Zero in New York, etc...

Check out Loose Change 2nd Edition if you haven't allready, it's well worth the time spent - http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5137581991288263801&q=loose+change

On Edit: K&R

[gordianot]

18. The questions about the crash should be easily answered.

Serial numbers off the engines, pictures of the wreckage, FAA reports that are routine for all crashes of aircraft in the United States. (All crashed aircraft are reconstructed with parts) So far no reports that the FAA completed this procedure.

So far none of the evidence has been released. There are also other tapes of the crash that were quickly confiscated. Yes the degree of trust created by the Bush administration should be enough that the questions of the crash are to be believed. The alternative is that someone in the Government committed or allowed murder which is unthinkable.

Seeing is believing I guess. Those who would like to see more evidence are just out of luck.

[petgoat]

56. The NTSB was excluded from the investigations. Inconvenient

rigor was not wanted, it seems.

The 9/11 Commission says Flight 93 crashed at 10:03; seismographic evidence says 10:06.
3 minutes is like decades to the NTSB.

[we can do it]

20. Where Are the Wings? or Was It A Fold Up Model?

[MrSammo1]

63. It's called.......

The Straw man's "Hinge Effect!"

Or the day that kinetic energy was stopped why something other than potential energy!

[Jayhawk Lib]

3. Bush could have prevented all of that.

But he did not. He let it all happen on purpose. That is almost the same as MIHOP.

[helderheid]

4. k and r

[complain jane]

5. LIHOP/MIHOP seems the best explanation for the port sale

[deminks]

7. I almost added that one,

but I think we are still learning more and more about it.

[nicknameless]

21. Completely agree. n/t

[libnnc]

8. Yep. The difference between is just semantics really.

LIHOP/MIHOP= the same damn thing.

[we can do it]

51. You Got That Right

For the military NOT TO RESPOND after the first tower was hit SOMEONE in our government had to have been involved. (Payne Stewart for example)...And for Booshie to continue his photo op while the country was under attack? Didn't want to upset the children, but ENDANGERING them was ok? PULEEZE People WAKETHEFUCKUP


:mad:

edit for sp.

[petgoat]

57. I like the way David Kubiak puts it:

"LIHOP was treason, MIHOP was treason, so we really didn't care if we
hung the bastards with a six or twelve foot rope as long as all the
relevant feet twitched in the air."

http://911conspiracy.blogspot.com/2005/09/david-kubiak-responds-to-nico-haupt.html

[stillcool]

9. Something I was musing on today....

was all the warnings before the new millenium...seems like a long, long, time ago...but, jeepers, the load of shyte that's come down the pike in those six years is frigging incredible...I wonder if we knew then what we know now...or...has it always been out of our control?

[Amonester]

13. Yes: When? (That is the question.)

"the process of transformation, even if it brings revolutionary change, is likely to be a long one, absent some catastrophic and catalyzing event -- like a new Pearl Harbor."

The Crisis Papers:
http://www.crisispapers.org/Editorials/PNAC-Primer.htm

1 Almost every "big-shot" at the PNAC nominated by * at "key" positions? Check.

2 The PNAC is for "the process of transformation"? Check. :grr:

3 Year 2000 is the beginning of the 21st Century? Check.

4 Their (criminal) "process of transformation" would be a long one? Check.

5 These MIC mobster$ WISHED - HOPED FOR - DREAMED ABOUT - a "catastrophic" event? Check. (Even JUST that IS criminal enuf for moi..., non?) :grr:

6 Surprise, surprise (NOT!!): "Oops!" Lookee heeere: EXACTLY "WHAT" THEY 1: wIsHeD (thousands of U.S. citizens dead) :grr: 2: HoPeD FoR (Thousands OF Dem voters DeAD... :grr: 3: Even DrEaMed aBoUt... "a "New Pearl Harbor" (exactly At ThE BEgiNNinG Of ThE tWeNtY FiRsT CeNtUry... (NO "coincidence" whatsoever for us...)!

7 So: Why in the world would these despicable criminal$ even try to stop it from happening? THAT'S WHAT THEY (criminally) WANTED TO HAPPEN SO THEY COULD loot THE TREASURY OF THE U.$.A. (at the expense of the taxpayers...)

Both MIHOP/LIHOP felonies are at the same criminal levels: mass murder. :grr:

[dchill]

52. "at the expense of the taxpayers..."

Not the wealthiest taxpayers - including themselves.

"We won. This is our due." - Dick Cheney (about second round of tax cuts)

[converted_democrat]

14. I think you're correct.. n/t

[Amonester]

15. My apologies for TheSe leTtErs (the onlY thinGs noT correct)

in there (I feel depressed and sad that taxpayers aren't "in the streets") (enuough).

Apologies.

[SpiralHawk]

16. MIHOP

The deeper you look into it, the more questions are raised -- and then stonewalled by BushCo

$80 mil to investigate Bill Clinton's oval office sex
$11 mil to "investigate" 9/11


'Splain that to me

[Virginian]

26. Could they really carry out a MIHOP?

If it was MIHOP, then Katrina incompetence was deliberate.

If Katrina exposed incompenencies, then the Bushies are too incompetent to pull off a MIHOP.

[rman]

31. Of course Katrina 'incompetence' was deliberate

There have been many hurricane relief efforts before Katrina. Even though Katrina was particularly bad, that doesn't explain the complete failure that it was. Cutting communication lines. Sending emergency personnel back, etc, etc. Clearly deliberate.

[glitch]

37. Deliberate incompetence is not the same thing as genuine incompetence.

It would be a logical fallacy to think that their deliberate incompetence in Katrina proves their incompetence to pull off 9/11.

[file83]

39. But the "incompentencies" are just illusions. These are systematically

orchestrated "failures" designed to look like "incompetence". For example - if you wanted to burn down your house, you could iron some shirts, leave the iron on face down, and leave for vacation. Oops. I made a "mistake". Get it? It's all bullshit.

[in_cog_ni_to]

42. CHENEY = MIHOP n/t

[we can do it]

54. How Could Katrina Not Be Deliberate?

All of us were seeing what was happening online & on tv...it was more than incompetence, deliberate dereliction of duty.

[petgoat]

58. too incompetent to pull off a MIHOP.

What was to pull off? Somebody told the hijackers when the war games were scheduled, six simultaneous
war games disrupted the air defense, nobody's allowed to talk about classified war games, and there you have it.

The most difficult thing is shutting up the media about the obvious holes and inconsistencies in
the cover stories.

[we can do it]

68. Shouldn't Someone Be Watching Over the East Side of the US At All Times?

Who's idea was it to conduct six simultaneous war games and disrupt the air defense for the entire east coast?

[dchill]

53. "$11 mil" - I suspect it would have been even cheaper...

...if there hadn't been so much "hush money" to be paid.

[Loge23]

17. It's never enough

One would think WMD's, (/11, and Katrina would be quite enough. Not so.
Neither is illegal spying on citizens, stockpiling the government with incompetent cronies, or pandering to religious fundamentalists.
And not enough again to bankrupting the treasury, attempting to destroy Social Security under false pretenses, or raping the environment.
Sorry, not enough to stealing the office to begin with, switching the normal time allotted to vacation and work, and lying about one's service record.
Not enough yet to smearing any opponent's reputation via the reprehensible pig rove, outing a CIA agent via the equally reprehensible pig cheney, or back-dooring a deal with Dubai to provide US port security and then denying any knowledge of it.
I would think Jesus, Mary and Joseph have had enough.
As for the American people, there's plenty more where that came from folks!

[we can do it]

19. It Was All All On Purpose - Who Benefited from the Crimes Against Us?

Booshie and his cronies....why would anyone sit a nd read about a goat with a bunch of kids when he was supposed to be running a country under attack? Why would anyone eat cake and hang out with faux country dudes while people are drowning, starving and dying??? Why would any one send our military into harms way for a LIE??? Why would anyone allow any company to run security of our ports without scrutinizing them???? They tap our phones and spy on US but won't bother to check into who will be running our ports?? UNFUCKINGBELIEVEBLE...

:rant:

[FreedomAngel82]

22. I call IHOP

It happened on purpose.

[file83]

40. Pancakes are no "mistake". n/t

[upi402]

23. not much difference btwn LIHOP and MIHOP - I agree

Both are seriously evil. One would be exceedingly difficult to promulgate.

As for LIHOP; no way that many people could ignore that many people trying to alert the WH cabal. They could not be *THAT* incompetent, not all of them, not all of the time. They let that shit happen and I bet it scared the hell out of them when they got what they hoped for.

[petgoat]

59. difficult to promulgate.

What's difficult about MIHOP? Assuming Osama is a CIA asset, all he has to to is recruit some
fanatical suicide pilots to hijack some planes (the muscle guys had no idea it was a suicide mission).
You set up six simultaneous war games to distract the air defense and it's fait accompli.

[Kablooie]

24. America will NEVER say enough.

Unless we can get an explanation as to why he sat reading My Pet Goat when the WTC was falling.

That is extremely odd.
This once again makes me wonder about the unwonderable.

WHAT DID HE KNOW ABOUT 9/11 BEFORE IT HAPPENED!?

I have a strong feeling that he knew quite a bit and that was what kept him sitting in that classroom.

Someday I hope we get the truth.

[petgoat]

60. why he sat reading My Pet Goat

The four planes were all supposed to strike simultaneously. Flights 93 and 77 were delayed taking
off. Bush couldn't leave the classroom after hearing about the WTC strikes, because then he'd be
expected to ask the obvious question: "Is there air cover over Washington?"

I think what Andy Card is whispering in his ear is "77 and 93 are delayed. Stall thirty minutes."

This explains that combination of fear and confusion and calculation in his eyes as he sits there
doing nothing. He's thinking: "Am I being set up? Is this a double cross?"

[EuroObserver]

61. Good observation!

He certainly appeared to be at least trying to think very hard about something, like, 2+2=how many did uncle pr^ck say again?

[Swamp Rat]

25. BLIHOP

"Blatantly let it happen on purpose."

[WannaJumpMyScooter]

28. Ah... Jimmy B never looked so good!

[BrklynLiberal]

27. I totally agree, and have felt this way since 9:06AM 9/11/2001

I am amazed this thread is still in GD!!!!!!

[goclark]

43. Just amazed, please pick me off the floor!

Am I dreaming?:bounce:

Am I in the Astronomy forum?:bounce:

Could it possibly be that DU is waking up from a deep dark sleep? :bounce:


You mean all the people in this thread are not wacko tin hat nutty crazies? :bounce:

Yea for DU!

Please don't totally dismiss the idea that BushCo just might not have been truthful with any one of these issues.

I would put nothing pass them, NOTHING!

[BrklynLiberal]

65. OOPS..We spoke too soon..Here it is now..in the 9/11 Forum!!!!

[Octafish]

29. Bush is psychotic.

Well, maybe I'm stretching it a bit. Let's say "sociopathic."



Of course, Bush also is a crazy monkey.

[mirandapriestly]

30. Old Article- Rumsfeld Planning Iraq 5 hours after Pentagon Hit

He was telling aides to invade Iraq that day. I mean, c'mon!

from the article:

""Go massive," the notes quote him as saying. "Sweep it all up. Things related and not." "

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2002/09/04/september11/main520830.shtml

[malaise]

33. I agree with all of you

but I'm sticking my neck out and saying that Bushco will pay come November. The Republicans are going to be wiped out so the criminal charges can and will begin.

[stubtoe]

38. I'm with you

8 months to go ... here's hoping, Big Time!

[goclark]

45. That is something that we can MIHOP

If we all work day and night to make it so.

I'm with you malaise -- out with DIEBOLD, in with a PRESIDENT!

[megatherium]

34. This doesn't necessarily indicate LIHOP/MIHOP.

5 hours after 9/11, I wanted to destroy the middle east.

Of course, not a rational response. What I decided was that Islam is a barbarous religion that needed to be dealt with: Islamic countries treat women as property, punish blasphemy and apostasy with death, and publish anti-Jewish propaganda in government media. (E.g., the blood libel, in Saudi newspapers; a serial dramatization of the Protocols of the Elders of Zion, on Egyptian television.) I thought, yes, we should do a WWII-scale war against the region, dismantle all the Islamo-fascist power structures. Else, I thought, it's only a matter of time before an act of nuclear terrorism happens on US soil. I thought, no politician could be forgiven if that were to happen after we failed to act decisively.

Again, this is what I thought in the weeks after 9/11. I calmed down, later -- by October 2002, I had contacted my congressmen to ask them to vote against the war resolution for Iraq.

I don't believe in LIHOP/MIHOP. I do believe in EIOP: Exploited It On Purpose.

[mirandapriestly]

64. You kind of missed the point..nt

[Viva_La_Revolution]

67. Iraq was the only Secular country nt

[DemExpat]

35. I agree too!

No democratically elected government could be that negligent, callous and/or stupid so to me it must be LIHOP/MIHOP.

DemEx

[Gregorian]

41. But that's not what the tv says.

You'd never know it. The truth, that is.

[autorank]

44. Excellent, it's like a Zen poem..."ah hah!" n/t Recommended!!!

[femrap]

46. And might I add....

Mother of God.

[Julius Civitatus]

47. Don't forget the anthrax mailer - biggest case for MIHOP in the book

The anthrax mailer, BTW, still on the loose:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x557422

[goclark]

49. And clearing the Senate only to find ~ what?

False Alarm!

[sellitman]

48. Here are the Headlines we need to see:

BUSH LIES.



:popcorn:

[babsbunny]

50. And A Big Amen!

[reprehensor]

55. Damn right.

And... the 9/11 Omission Commission is a friggin' whitewash!

http://www.gnn.tv/B12001

Ahh. That feels better.

[goclark]

62. It is all a Whitewash paid for by

the Saudis and US, the dumb ones.

Why did they let Katrina happen? Because they didn't have enough m o n e y to do anything about it and they didn't care.

[BrklynLiberal]

66. And just before the port deal gets approved the UAE makes a HUGE donation

to the Katrina recovery fund! How loverly is that!!!!!!
Reminds me of the ads the Saudis had all over TV right after 9/11 telling is Americans that they really were our friends.