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JohnyCanuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-30-06 09:44 PM
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Venezuelan Government To Launch International 9/11 Investigation

Truth crusaders Walter and Rodriguez to appear on Hugo Chavez's weekly TV broadcast

Billionaire philanthropist Jimmy Walter and WTC survivor William Rodriguez this week embarked on a groundbreaking trip to Caracas Venezuela in which they met with with the President of the Assembly and will soon meet with Venezuelan President himself Hugo Chavez in anticipation of an official Venezuelan government investigation into 9/11.

Rodriguez was the last survivor pulled from the rubble of the north tower of the WTC, and was responsible for all stairwells within the tower. Rodriguez represented family members of 9/11 victims and testified to the 9/11 Commission that bombs were in the north tower but his statements were completely omitted from the official record.

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The US government attempted to sabotage the trip by putting Rodriguez, who has been decorated at the White House itself, and Walter on a no fly list.

Rodriguez (pictured above) and Walter are educating top Venezuelan officials on the evidence that 9/11 was a self-inflicted wound carried out by the military-industrial complex. They have also appeared on every Venezuelan television and radio station both private and state owned and have given huge presentations to major universities.

http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/march2006/310306launchinvestigation.htm

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Duer 157099 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-30-06 10:49 PM
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1. Oh. Boy.
This should be interesting.
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Dancing_Dave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-30-06 11:19 PM
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2. Great news!
Obviously, the U.S. Government is not going to fund any scientific study that shows that it's whole mythological 9/11 propaganda story is false. Only some other government can do it.
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hack89 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-31-06 04:21 PM
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18. But the entire CT argument against NIST ...
and the other official studies is that they are invalid because they are not based on physical evidence. How then can Venezuela's investigation be any more valid? And how are they going to gain access to US military and government personnel? For that matter, how is the investigative team even going to get into the country?
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stickdog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-31-06 05:57 PM
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20. They can examine the phenomena from the same secondary
evidence that NIST used to show NIST's "wishful thinking" reversed-engineered "only one possibility considered" bullshit for what it is -- perhaps with the scientific endorsement of far more experts.

Everyone interested in the truth should at least welcome this scientific debate.
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hack89 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-31-06 06:00 PM
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21. Do you really think Hugo's goal is the same as yours?
Edited on Fri Mar-31-06 06:01 PM by hack89
I think he is an opportunist who sees an opportunity to embarrass Bush. Why do you assume that an enemy of your enemy is automatically your friend? I think this will end up burning the 911 truth movement.

What experts do you think will participate?
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stickdog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-31-06 06:47 PM
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24. I trust Chavez more than I trust Jimmy Walters.
Edited on Fri Mar-31-06 06:47 PM by stickdog
Let's just say that searching for 9/11 truth makes for strange bedfellows.

Did Chavez's association with Cindy Sheehan derail all anti-Iraq war sentiment in this country?
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hack89 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-31-06 06:54 PM
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26. We will see ..
I guess it will depend on the quality of the experts he can get. I just think that most Americans have a reflexive dislike for foreign governments interfering in our domestic issues so it will be interesting to see how much effort Hugo puts into appearing fair and impartial.
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stickdog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-31-06 06:57 PM
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27. I agree on that. It will only help if the science far outweighs the
propaganda.
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TomClash Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-01-06 07:04 AM
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35. Good point - funny thing though
Edited on Sat Apr-01-06 07:05 AM by TomClash
as a general legal matter, if you have evidence and destroy it, the presumption is that the evidence would have hurt your case. The City, State and Federal Governments has a lot of explaining to do, since they sequestered the site after 9/11 - otherwise, we'd have physical evidence that would go a long way to answering these questions.
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mirandapriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-31-06 01:37 AM
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3. I can't wait to hear about this,nt
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CJCRANE Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-31-06 03:02 AM
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4. Will
the MSM even cover this story?

I guess when the whole world is talking about it they might have to.
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file83 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-31-06 03:03 AM
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5. Hugo Chavez isn't exactly an "unbiased" or "independent" party.
This isn't going to help the 9/11 truth movement - it's going to hurt it. Now we will all be labeled "Chavez" loyalists or some stupid shit. Why not France, Germany, or Italy?
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CJCRANE Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-31-06 03:19 AM
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6. Trouble is..
it's always the far left-wing who are the most concerned and active about seeking the truth and standing up to authority. "Moderates" would just ignore them.

So even if they did go to Europe they would still have to partner with groups that are outside the mainstream. At least with Chavez he has quite a lot of funds to help them.
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file83 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-31-06 04:02 AM
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7. Yeah, but you've got to be careful who you "go to bed" with.
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CJCRANE Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-31-06 04:10 AM
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8. True
they could be tarred with the "anti-American" label. But there's probably no avoiding that given the subject matter and the way Rove et al operate.
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rman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-31-06 04:12 AM
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10. I don't let the RW dictate who i go to bed with
There's nothing wrong with Chavez, contrary to what the RW would have us believe.
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file83 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-31-06 04:31 AM
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11. Yes, but, as if the 9/11 Truth movement doesn't have enough
Edited on Fri Mar-31-06 04:34 AM by file83
playing against us, our motives will now be labeled as "political". That's the one thing that the 9/11 movement has going for it: we can't be labeled RW or LW, we just want the truth.

But if you throw Chavez into the mix, then that will take away one of the few advatages we have.

I don't like it, but it's a reality we have to deal with. I know Chavez has been painted with a false brush, but the painting is still on the wall for the American Public, and they seem to think it's a realistic representation.

We have to play this smart because we aren't living in a vacuum.
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rman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-31-06 05:08 AM
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12. I understand your point,
but i think disinfo is far more damaging than any supposed political affiliation.

The RW will lie and deceive to marginalize us, whatever we do and whoever supports the truth movement. And we aren't in a position to demand Chavez to stay out of this anyway. We'll have to make the best of it.

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file83 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-31-06 03:14 PM
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15. Maybe it is our best shot, who knows...
:pals:
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rman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-31-06 03:42 PM
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17. anything can happen
these days

:pals:
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rman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-31-06 04:10 AM
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9. I don't mind being labeled a Chavez loyalist
He's hated with a passion by supporters of W and radical capitalism - for good reason (from their point of view).
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stickdog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-31-06 06:39 PM
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22. Neither is NIST or the 9/11 Omission Panel.
What is particularly wrong with Chavez, btw, other than he doesn't play ball with Globopetro Corp?
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hack89 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-31-06 06:45 PM
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23. He has an agenda
why do you assume it is the same as yours?
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stickdog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-31-06 06:48 PM
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25. Everyone has an agenda.
Such is politics, such is life ...
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hack89 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-31-06 07:01 PM
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28. But if it ends up burning the 911 truth movement ..
then it can't be a good thing, can it? If he co-opts the movement for his personal gain, it could set you back a bit, don't you think?
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stickdog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-31-06 07:05 PM
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29. What is that supposed to mean?
Once again, does Cindy Sheehan's association with him make everybody love the Iraq War?
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hack89 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-31-06 07:28 PM
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30. No - but if he turns it into just another opportunity to bash the USA..
Edited on Fri Mar-31-06 07:28 PM by hack89
kind of puts you in a hard place with the american public, don't you think?
The only country that can bring Bush to justice is America - you are playing with fire if the Hugo does nothing more then piss off the american public.

As for Sheehan, she's had her 15 minutes - I'm not sure that anyone really cares who she talks with anymore.
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stickdog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-31-06 07:45 PM
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31. Nobody is the USA cares about ANY foreign news.
To use this against the 9/11 movement, TPTB would have to first give everyone a lesson in Latin American politics. Do you actually see that happening?
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hack89 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-31-06 09:04 PM
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32. Well, if no one in America is paying attention,
what's the point?
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DemInDistress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-02-06 02:19 PM
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37. Prior to Sept.11 2001 the bush crime family had an agenda...
it was called,"THE NEW PEARL HARBOR" that phrase was delivered by none other than "James Baker III" yes hacker, we all have an agenda and many here want the M-U-R-D-E-R-E-R-S caught arrested, charged, indicted, convicted and sentenced to death .. with us?

why do you continually debunk 911? are you for real? A pathetic cover up is still being perpetrated evidence by the lies, discrepancies, distortions and denials of pertinent photo's video's and documents. Yet your still around criticizing others for the willful negligence on that "POS POTUS" AND THE CORPORATE SCUM THAT SURROUNDS HIM.

later hackster,..
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hack89 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-02-06 04:04 PM
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38. Nice hysterics ... nt
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TomClash Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-01-06 06:57 AM
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34. But at least he was actually elected - three times
Unlike some other leader we all know.
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pberq Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-31-06 08:53 AM
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13. Thanks for posting this - any attempt at getting the truth out is worth it
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reprehensor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-31-06 12:32 PM
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14. Couldn't possibly do worse than Kean/Zelikow.
Good luck, Hugo.
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laruemtt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-31-06 03:25 PM
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16. we have to go to venezuela
for heat to keep warm in the winter and for truth because our own government provides neither. this serves two purposes: 1) we get a chance to get the truth out and 2) further humiliation for the *co. i love it!
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stickdog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-31-06 05:51 PM
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19. You go, Hugo! (nt)
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Twist_U_Up Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-31-06 09:09 PM
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33. This belongs on Greatest
but oh well I guess if we ignore it maybe 9-11 will go away.

Im really getting bored with this site.

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Klimmer Donating Member (426 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-02-06 11:39 AM
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36. Truth is truth . . .
no matter where it comes from. You have to over come your own fear of the messenger syndrome. If the Gov. of Venezuela is able to do this (which our Gov. can't seem too) then it is a very good thing. The more exposure to the truth, the better. Perhaps this will encourage more countries to follow the lead and do similiar investigations on their own. The more we learn, the better off we are.

The more the merrier. Go for it. :-))
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rastafan Donating Member (45 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-02-06 07:12 PM
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39. William Rodriguez and Rico
Someone forwarded me an interesting message from Phillip Berg's former webmaster.
Mr. Rodriguez might ultimately be a risky 9-11 victim spokesman.


...
"Perhaps this factor has little to do with establishing an international 9-11 investigation, but it does concern me that the press might be only to happy to grab hold of it.


"Not to distract from William's genuinely honorable achievements but his
(Berg's) December 2005 (RICO) Affidavit was so bad that I refused to post it
and resigned as Phil's webmaster.
If you have interest and stomach, you can get to the Rodriguez Affidavit
via my resignation letter posted on March 26. As far as I know, the affidavit
has not been published anywhere else online.
http://digitalstyledesigns.com/pages/Thoughts.htm

Jan H.
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