Looking for a post: number of people needed to pull off 911.

[QuettaKid]

seem to recall seeing it here recently...the number was like 50 people tops. any ideas?

[Make7]

1. 9/11: a 7-Man Job

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=125&topic_id=80660&mesg_id=80660

[Debunking911]

2. Why would you need less than the people here?

While not everyone in each of these is needed, many from each are.

-The Bush Administration, who failed at everything they ever did. Yet all of them and the people below are helping him cover up the largest mass murder in US history... Some of them like Richard Clarke and Paul O'Neil have come out for less.

-The NYC Fire fighters who know more about building collapses than most if not all of them. It's their LIFE to know. Literally! Yet they don't call for an investigation into the MASS MURDER of over 300 of their brothers... Why? (The twisting of these peoples statements for donations and DVD sales sickens me.) We have uncovered the myth about gag a rule imposed on all fire fighters. Only 9/11 conspiracy sites say this. ONE person who sued Bush for not taking action before the event is ordered by the court not to speak to the media about the case. This is not imposing a gag rule on the whole fire department as some of these sites claim. They are lying to cover up this mass murder by the government or the building owner. Why? They don't even know...

Conspiracy theorist bring up an article in Fire House magazine which says the fire department wanted to stop the steel from being sold in order to test the fire proofing and other non-bomb/controlled demolition related investigations. They twist the articles context to make it seem like the fire fighters questioned the idea that fire brought down the towers.

http://fe.pennnet.com/Articles/Article_Display.cfm?Section=OnlineArticles&SubSe%20ction=Display&PUBLICATION_ID=25&ARTICLE_ID=131225

http://fe.pennnet.com/Articles/Article_Display.cfm?Section=OnlineArticles&SubSection=Display&PUBLICATION_ID=25&ARTICLE_ID=130026

Many of these men and women come from the military yet we are to believe they are so afraid they rather die in the governments next mass murder than come out and expose this.

-The courts for imposing a gag rule

-The NYC Police department who lost over 20 lives. They didn't ask for an investigation. Motive? None...

-The NYC port Authority who lost personnel. Motive?

-All the people in the pentagon who have not called for an investigation. Many who are liberal and centrist. They did or said nothing while people supposedly truck in airplane parts to cover the crime. Why? again, no answer...

-The more than 1,600 widows and widowers of 9/11 who rather have investigations of the decisions which lead to the terrorist getting away with this. They don't want to waste time investigating the mass murder of their loved ones. Even the Jersey Girls. Why? They say it's the money...

-The media (This one I almost believe) who doesn't follow up on the biggest mass murder and conspiracy in American history. It seems no one wants a Nobel prize for journalism. Not only the American media but foreign press like like the BBC and Al Jeezera. Why? No answer here either...

-The photographers from around the world who took pictures of the towers which clearly show bowing of the perimeter columns. These photos support the NIST hypothesis that the sagging trusses lead to the collapse. Some photos also show the core intact shortly after collapse which also not only support the NIST hypothesis but discredits the "Controlled demolition" account.

-Popular Mechanics who debunked these sites are also helping Bush commit the biggest mass murder in history.

http://www.popularmechanics.com/science/defense/1227842.html

-PBS Nova since they created a documentary explaining in detail how and why the buildings fell. None of it said bomb.

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/wtc/

-Everyone in the NIST who covers up the largest mass murder in US history. This independent org doesn't have a moral person in hundreds of employees because not one has come out exposing this so called "Conspiracy". In fact the hundreds of scientist who signed onto the report are willing to not only lie for Bush but cover up the largest mass murder in American history. Some suggest only a hand full can do the job but that's simply impossible. The team in charge of the computer modeling has to be in sync with the team in structural engineers and so on. There are hundreds involved in this investigation and every team has to work other teams using the same evidence and specifications.

-NY Governor Pataki because he sold steel to from the WTC for the construction of the USS New York. If the argument is the government sold the steel in order to cover up the crime then Pataki is one of the criminals.

-The NY city scrap yards because they also sold steel to china before all of it was tested. Bush would have needed to call them up and tell them to sell it before they could have investigated every beam. A task which would have taken years and years not to mention millions more. Ironically the republican Mayor Bloomberg could not be involved since he asked the scrap yards not to sell the steel on behalf of the fire fighters.

-EVERY STRUCTURAL ENGINEER IN THE WORLD who doesn't write a paper for a mainstream peer reviewed journal saying the towers were brought down and could not have fallen due to fire. If laymen can prove things just by looking at videos and reading interviews out of context then all those structural engineers MUST be working for Bush right? Even the ones in other countries. Why? The answer they give is the engineers don't know about Jones work. So in all this time no one has e-mailed Jones's work to any structural engineer? They had the time to lobby politicians and put Jones on Tucker Carlson but not contact any structural engineers?

-The liberals who don't believe the towers were brought down. (Like me) They're helping a neo-con cover-up the largest mass murder in this nation’s history. Why" No clue...

-The CIA

-The FBI

-FEMA

-The American Society of Civil Engineers who have produced peer reviewed papers showing how what Conspiracy Theorist say is impossible is possible.

-NORAD

-The FAA who saw planes which conspiracy theorist never existed.

-The Silverstein Group who they say got together with Bush to blow up the building for insurance money.

-Silverstein's Insurance Company who didn't question the collapse and paid out over 2 billion to Silverstein. Why? Conspiracy Theorist say the insurance company just wants to pass on the bill to the public but they already fought Silverstein in a number of law suits concerning the amount.

-American Airlines (Pentagon)

-United Airlines (Pentagon)

-Logan, Newark and Dulles Airport for losing the planes

-Scientists and engineers who developed the remote control plane technology

-Installers of the remote control devices in the planes (Pentagon)

-Remote controllers of the planes (Pentagon)

-Scientists and engineers who developed the new demolition technology and carried out practical tests and computer models to make sure it would work.

-Installers of the demolitions devices in the three buildings

-People who worked at the company(s) the installers used as cover

-Airphone etc employees who said they got calls from passengers (Pentagon)

-Faux friends and relatives of the faux passengers or just the faux relatives who claim to have been called by their loved ones or just the psyops who fooled relatives into thinking they really were their loved ones. (Pentagon)

-People who detonated the buildings"

-anyone who thinks the conspiracy is a diversion to take liberal activist focus off of real crimes.

Even conspiracies with a few people are doomed, Look at Enron and Watergate. The more people you involved the more likely the conspiracy will fall apart. The amount of people needed for this conspiracy could fill one of the towers. It's absurd to think this many people could keep a mass murder for Bush secret for this long.

[jschurchin]

3. My friend, you really need..........

to do some more study on how a successful compartmentalized conspiracy works. For whatever reason you just cannot grasp the concept of people doing what they are told. You have convinced yourself that EVERYONE doing their jobs i.e. firefighters putting out fires, emt's treating people, workers cleaning up debris etc. are somehow involved in a cover up.

I really do feel for you, that somehow you go thru life believing that conspiracy's like this do not occur. Just a suggestion, go study the intelligence apparatus starting with the OSS in Germany in '45 until the present day CIA. Check out people like Allen Dulles, Richard Bissel
Richard Helms, Tracey Barnes, Everette Howard Hunt and Frank Fiorini.

If you really want to do an investigation, find out where James Pavitt was and who he was talking to from January of '01 until 9-11. Who is James Pavitt? He was the deputy director of operations for the CIA and he resigned one day after George Tenant. James Pavitt was in charge of ALL covert operations, they call the department in the Agency the "Dirty
Tricks Department".

Please, Please, educate yourself.

Thanks,
John

[petgoat]

4. You keep repeating this absurdity about the conspiracy of 1000's

The Bush Administration, who failed at everything they ever did.

They stole three elections and got away with it. They achieved control of Congress,
the Supreme Court, and the White House. They boosted military spending, enriched their
cronies, looted the treasury, and weakened the federal government financially while
expanding executive and military powers. They've avoided the taint of their
responsibility for 9/11 and won the perception that they're strong on terrorism.
They've managed to indulge a long time ambition to conquer Babylon. They've made
Afghanistan safe again for the CIA's opium farms.

Failure?

And you're still mischaracterizing and slandering the Jersey Girls. I resent that!

Read their ratings of the 9/11 Commission's failure to even address their questions.

http://www.justicefor911.org/Appendix4_FSCQuestionRatings_111904.php

Read Lorie Van Auken's statement at the DC Truth Emergency Convergence last year:

http://www.gnn.tv/forum/thread.php?id=7360

[Old and In the Way]

5. If the case can be made that 19 foreigners could pull off the worst

attack on American soil, why couldn't 19 people who have the full resources of the US government at their desposal accomplish same? What was in it for the 19 alledged hi-jackers other than death? What would have been the motivation for 19 leaders in our government? Billion and billions and billions of USD.

If we can imagine 19 wild eyed foreign nationals pulling this off, why is it a stretch to think 19 people aligned to this administration, with a few years of careful planning, couldn't pull this off as well?