As long as we're talking 9/11 (1984 SPOILER)....

[Junkdrawer]

I've had this theory for a long time:

Remember how in 1984, Winston was trapped by a fake terror organization called "The Brotherhood"? What if the Saudis set up such an organization during Gulf War I to entrap enemies of the Royal Family? What if Bin Laden was either tricked or recruited to lead such an organization?

If al Qaeda is an entrapment mechanism, several mysteries unravel:

1.) Those caught by this entrapment could never be released for fear that the secret would get out. Hence Gitmo.

2.) If the NeoCons needed a "modern Pearl Harbor", perhaps all they needed to do was put a call in to their Saudi friends. You know, Sen. Bob Graham maintains the Saudi Government paid several of the 9/11 hijackers and I find him credible.

A common objection to MIHOP/LIHOP is the extent of the conspiracy they would involve. In this theory, a terrorist "asset" evolves as the Saudis endeavor to give al Qaeda street creds. Thus, a 9/11 organization is not created from the ground up, but rather an existing asset is used to further a goal.

The other reason this seems plausible to me is that it insulates the Bush administration from direct involvement, although they seem to be involved with insuring that the "Saudi Op" was not detected/stopped by the FBI and/or the CIA (a theory often referred to as LIHOP).

[Kikosexy2]

1. Or as they say...

follow the money and connect the dots...do I think Bushco had a hand in 9/11 happening...yes...my gut feeling always told me so..

[Junkdrawer]

3. The connections between Big Oil and the Saudis...

is one of the most underreported stories of our time.

Bush/Cheney is the Big Oil dream administration.

[Kikosexy2]

4. You ...

betcha!

[RufusEarl]

2. This link was sent to me today,

seems the decider has whipped up some 9-11 memories, anyway it's one of the best 9-11 websites i've ever seen. Be sure and check out the link page, it has some great links.

http://physics911.net/

Peace!

[Junkdrawer]

5. Have you seen this?

http://www.911podcasts.com/display.php?vid=92

[Cessna Invesco Palin]

6. As long as we're talking about 9/11...

...why don't you go discuss it in the dungeon instead of polluting GD with rubbish?

[Junkdrawer]

8. Thanks for the kick

:hi:

[Flubadubya]

14. !

Here's a :kick: from me too... much less grudging I might add. :P :hi:

[Random_Australian]

7. The way persons were selected for Gitmo makes that implausible to

me.

The rest will pass without comment, but I will say that if they (the gitmo internees) were wanted silenced by persons who would kill 3000 on 9/11, they would be very, very dead. Sounds like your 'government' trying to show it's 'success' at 'getting' 'terrorists' (and a few more things, but it is too late to go into that now).

Now, I run from this thread, lest I see the flames no doubt bieng readied for me.

IIRC, the SBS found evidence that lots more than 3000 died in Afghanistan in an off-the-records way. But I'm too tired to recall correctly. Oh well.

[Junkdrawer]

9. How about "torture them until they rat out everyone they know?"...

:shrug:

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

10. I don't trust Graham. He was having breakfast on the morning of 9/11 with

General Mahmoud of the ISI who sent money to Atta. Porter Goss was there too.

There was also a person that was an informer for the governemnt who warned Graham a month before the attack.

From our own Paul Thompson's fantastic time line:
http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/timeline.jsp?timeline=complete_911_timeline&projects_and_programs=randyGlass

Early August 2001: Government Informant Warns Congressmen of Plan to Attack the WTC

Randy Glass. Randy Glass.

Randy Glass, a former con artist turned government informant, later will claim that he contacts the staff of Senator Bob Graham and Representative Robert Wexler at this time and warns them of a plan to attack the WTC, but his warnings are ignored. Glass also tells the media at this time that his recently concluded informant work has “far greater ramifications than have so far been revealed,” and, “potentially, thousands of lives at risk.” Glass was a key informant in a sting operation involving ISI agents who were illegally trying to purchase sophisticated US military weaponry in return for cash and heroin. He later claims that in July 1999, one ISI agent named Rajaa Gulum Abbas pointed to the WTC and said, “Those towers are coming down.” Most details apparently remain sealed. For instance Glass will claim that his sealed sentencing document dated June 15, 2001, lists threats against the WTC and Americans. Florida State Senator Ron Klein, who had dealings with Glass before 9/11, later will say he is surprised it took so many months for the US to listen to Glass: “Shame on us.” Klein will recall getting a warning from Glass, though he cannot recall if it mentions the WTC specifically. He will say he was told US intelligence agencies would look into it. Senator Graham later will acknowledge that his office had contact with Glass before 9/11, and was told about a WTC attack: “I was concerned about that and a dozen other pieces of information which emanated from the summer of 2001.” However, Graham will say that he personally was unaware of Glass’s information until after 9/11. In October 2002, Glass will testify under oath before a private session of the 9/11 Congressional Inquiry, stating, “I told I have specific evidence, and I can document it.”

People and organizations involved: Ron Klein, Randy Glass, Bob Graham, World Trade Center, Pakistan Directorate for Inter-Services Intelligence, Rajaa Gulum Abbas, Robert Wexler

[Junkdrawer]

11. I think there are more than a few who thought they were participating...

in one op and found out they were participating in another. Generally, they resign and a few write the most juicy tell-all books they think they can sneak by the censors. I put Graham in this category.

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

12. If it was just meeting with Mahmoud I could maybe accept that, but to

have gotten such a direct warning about the attacks, and ignore it. That's something else. Even later on, while on the Joint Committee invetigating 9/11, he swept this under the rug.

Also remember, that alot of this went down in Graham's state. There is a Great new film on 9/11 available to view online that discusses Florida connections. It's called Everbody Gotta Learn Sometime.

This film doesn't dwell on the science behind the attacks as many 9/11 films discuss, but it goes into the cold hard (very well researched) facts of events leading up to 9/11. It played during the Tribeca Film Festival. A link to it is on my signature at the bottom of this post. Please view it.

[Junkdrawer]

13. I downloaded it last night, It's very good. BTW: have you read his book?

I have and it seemed to me to be the work of someone who wishes he could say more than he's allowed.

In this explosive, controversial, and profoundly alarming insider's report, Senator Bob Graham reveals faults in America's national security network severe enough to raise fundamental questions about the competence and honesty of public officials in the CIA, the FBI, and the White House.

For ten years, Senator Graham served on the Senate Intelligence Committee, where he had access to some of the nation's most closely guarded secrets. Following the attacks of September 11, 2001, Graham co-chaired a historic joint House-Senate inquiry into the intelligence community's failures. From that investigation and his own personal fact-finding, Graham discovered disturbing evidence of terrorist activity and a web of complicity:

• At one point, a terrorist support network conducted some of its operations through Saudi Arabia's U.S. embassy—and a funding chain for terrorism led to the Saudi royal family.
• In February 2002, only four months after combat began in Afghanistan, the Bush administration ordered General Tommy Franks to move vital military resources out of Afghanistan for an operation against Iraq—despite Franks's privately stated belief that there was a job to finish in Afghanistan, and that the war on terrorism should focus next on terrorist targets in Somalia and Yemen.
• Throughout 2002, President Bush directed the FBI to limit its investigations of Saudi Arabia, which supported some and possibly all of the September 11 hijackers.
• The White House was so uncooperative with the bipartisan inquiry that its behavior bore all the hallmarks of a cover-up.
• The FBI had an informant who was extremely close to two of the September 11 hijackers, and actually housed one of them, yet the existence of this informant and the scope of his contacts with the hijackers were covered up.
• There were twelve instances when the September 11 plot could have been discovered and potentially foiled.
• Days after 9/11, U.S. authorities allowed some Saudis to fly, despite a complete civil aviation ban, after which the government expedited the departure of more than one hundred Saudis from the United States.
• Foreign leaders throughout the Middle East warned President Bush of exactly what would happen in a postwar Iraq, and those warnings went either ignored or unheeded.

As a result of his Senate work, Graham has become convinced that the attacks of September 11 could have been avoided, and that the Bush administration's war on terrorism has failed to address the immediate danger posed by al-Qaeda, Hezbollah, and Hamas in Afghanistan, Syria, Yemen, and Somalia. His book is a disturbing reminder that at the highest levels of national security, now more than ever, intelligence matters.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1400063523/sr=8-1/qid=1147866991/ref=pd_bbs_1/002-5354346-2840808?%5Fencoding=UTF8

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

15. No, I haven't read his book and honestly, didn't know about it. Thank you

for this.

One thing that I believe to the bottom of my soul is that Al Qaeda is an organization that has been used by some elements within our government as a catch all to further their agenda. The roots of Bin Laden and Al Qaeda started with large funding by our country during the Russian occupation of Afghanistan. Why of all people on this planet was Bin Laden given millions of dollars by the Reagan/Bush administration? One must recall Papa Bush's close connection to the Bin Ladens family and his own CIA ties.

So when I see this blurb on Graham's book...As a result of his Senate work, Graham has become convinced that the attacks of September 11 could have been avoided, and that the Bush administration's war on terrorism has failed to address the immediate danger posed by al-Qaeda,

When I know someone who had such hands on in the investigation as Graham did, and mentions the danger posed by al-Qaeda, I immediately think..bullsh*t.

[Junkdrawer]

16. Graham was on Tweety to hawk his book. Tweety came out swinging...

and said (paraphrasing) "Let's cut right to the chase: are you saying that the Saudi government funded the 9/11 terrorists?".

Tweety expected the usual "No, but.." response so he could further belittle the book.

Instead, Graham looked him straight in the eyes and said "Yes".

Long pause. You could see the blood draining from Tweety's face. He then fumbles for the book, holds it up to the camera, thanks Graham, and then ends the shortest interview I've ever seen on TV. That's when I bought the book.

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

17. lol! I would have loved to see that! Tweety is such a pimp! :)

[dysfunctional press]

18. Al Queda pre-dates gulf war 1

al queda was set up to oust the soviets from afghanistan during our previous national shame- the ronnie raygun misadninstration.

[Junkdrawer]

19. But the start of Gulf War I was when it changed from a pro-US/Saudi...

to an ostensibly anti-US/Saudi operation.