Question for DUers with wireless transmitter/mic experience

[wtmusic]

Would it not be possible to jam wireless frequencies at WU tonight to ensure no cheating goes on?

Listening would be out of the question, because in all likelihood any transmissions would be encrypted. But how hard would be to jam enough frequencies to make listening difficult/impossible?

??

[CityHall]

1. Not practical

It's illegal to jam anything deliberately, and the Secret Service will have all sorts of monitoring equipment nearby. It would also be hopelessly impractical. At best, you could try to record the signal with a scanner to prove it existed. But it would probably be unencrypted if it exists - unless the equipment came from the military/intel community. But if it was encrypted, how would you know which frequency to jam and which one was something else entirely?

[Robert Oak]

18. I imagine he's right

With the patriot act around plus trying to get anywhere in the building
of a debate with jamming gear and then needing to tune it...

well, this isn't going to happen in 12 hours unless you have someone
screened, with tickets or the DNC hires someone to do this backstage...

I find this amusing though...would it be campaign tampering to
jam an illegal earpiece feed during a debate?

[Syncronaut Seven]

39. A sweep frequency transmitter

could jam his receiver, Sweep a whole range of frequencies every second or two. It wouldn't cause a full blackout, but could cause
periodic interference.

Upside: you don't need to know exactly what Frequency the target is using, only the freq. band. Also harder to track down such a bug since the frequency constantly changes, making a lock difficult. Multiple sweep frequency jammers would cause chaos.

Transmitter could be smaller than a 9V battery and be made at home for around $25.

Of course I would never advocate such a tact, Just sayin, it could be done. Of course grandma's old Hoover vacuum might cause the same effect.

Hoover, that's irony for you. :evilgrin:

[Goldmund]

2. The funner thing would be to somehow hack into the frequency he's using

which of course would involve hacking the encryption as well.

Well, I know it's near impossible, but can you imagine... Actually I'm going to post a thread about that.

[BUSHOUT]

3. To tell you the truth...

I think all this "earpiece" conspiracy stuff is just plain dumb.

[Goldmund]

4. Why?

[wtmusic]

5. I was going to ask that same 3-letter question...

andja beat me to it!

[HFishbine]

6. How about we start with

There is no evidence beyond some active imaginations.

[BUSHOUT]

7. You stole my answer. Based on zip. And it's a distraction.

A distraction from the real issues, which are more than enough to bury Bush.

[merh]

9. You don't have to be distracted - nothing to see here, you

are free to ignore!

[BUSHOUT]

11. Can I set it so it's ignored by everyone??

It's not just ME it's distracting. I'm not THAT self-involved!

If it works it's way out to mainstream media, then the focus goes off issues like job losses and Iraq WMD and stem cells.

And middle America will think
"Huh, what a silly thing to accuse him of!"

[wtmusic]

17. No

unfortunately, everyone doesn't agree with you. Deal with it. :eyes:

[BUSHOUT]

25. I realize that. And just because....

everyone doesn't agree with me won't keep me from stating my opinion.

Deal with that.

And how the hell would I set the "earpiece" conspiracy to "ignore" for mainstream media?

[wtmusic]

29. How *very* self-involved you are

Your post had nothing to do with stating an opinion; it had to do with "setting it so it's ignored by everyone".

I have no problem with your opinion. What I have a problem with is you thinking yours is the only one. Wyncha find a nice closet and close the door. You can agree with yourself all day long...

[BUSHOUT]

35. WTF?

If you read back a couple posts before you jumped into this, another poster brought up the ignore feature.
I'm not talking about myself or even DU when I called it a distraction,
thus the JOKE about setting it to ignore for everyone.

Why don't you read through from the start, realize I'm not flaming anyone or advocating my opinion as "the only one", and take a nice little yellow pill?

[merh]

19. Unfortunately, middle America does not frequent DU,

these threads are DU threads, not mainstream media threads or the DNC.
If mainstream media wants to ask the question, then fine, let them. They haven't focused on the real issues of this campaign for years, why will they start now. Do you want an example - they report the unemployment figures, BUT FAIL TO REPORT that the numbers do not reflect the true unemployment figures. Those that have used up their unemployment are removed from the rolls and not counted, even though they remain unemployed! Do you even know the real issues?

You have every right to go back and focus on the issues. Feel free to do so!

[BUSHOUT]

27. You say this is a "real issue"?

Ok.:shrug:

You have every right to go back and focus on the issues. Feel free to do so!

Look, I'm not trying to piss on anyones parade. Not trying to flame you.

I also have a right to state my opinion and I think the "earpiece conspiracy" is based on no evidence other than a bulge in a picture (that may have been doctored for all I know or care) which might be a buckle/plate in a bulletproof vest for all anyone knows.

Oh yeah, and I think it's a distraction from the miriad of real issues that are all working against Bush.


:tinfoilhat:

[merh]

38. You have made yourself clear - so you can move on.

I said this is the "issue" we want to post about - clearly I don't consider this an "issue" as I stated "You have every right to go back and focus on the issues. Feel free to do so!"

Comprehension is important.

[BUSHOUT]

41. OH gee, thanks!

I was just focussing on this "issue" a little myself. Since stating my original opinion in a polite manner, I've just attempted to be considerate and answer replies to myself.

I do think this is an "issue", obviously it's become one.
I just don't think it's a "real issue". Maybe I should have used the word "worthwhile" instead of "real".

Please don't take offense to my polite opinions, K?

Just because I don't agree with you, doesn't mean I have to get out of your topic. Or does it?

[lalajohns]

31. Bush is *Wired* whether you believe it or not

n/t

[BUSHOUT]

36. Was that a whiskey reservoir?

A little courage hooked up to an I.V.?

:beer:

[merh]

8. Circumstantial evidence is evidence....

I am sure an active imagination was needed to invision the lies of this admin in the very beginning. Well, some would call it "an active imagination" some would call it "wouldn't put anything past these bastards".

If you don't like these threads and think they are tin foil, then you can avoid them!

[HFishbine]

16. Oh no! I want to participate.

With as much "evidence" is as available, let me jump in with some other possibilities.

BUSH IS BATTERY POWERED! (See the battery pack on his back?) Why doesn't the Kerry campaign make an issue of the fact that while Bush promotes an oil-centric energy policy, he himself is running off of battery power? Come on Kerry campaign!

BUSH TURNED UP THE HEAT, THEN USED HIDDEN COOLING DEVICE! I don't think it's fair that the Bush team negotiated a warm temperature in the debate hall, then equipped Bush with a colling device (You can see it on his back.)

And my favorite...

BUSH WAS BLACKMAILED TO FAIL AT DEBATE!!! I don't know who got to him, but it's obvious he had plastic explosives strapped to his back during the debate. It's likely that someone in the audience wanted him to perform poorly or answer a certain question a certain way and they had their finger on the detonator with the threat of explosion if Bush didn't obey.

[BUSHOUT]

28. HA HA HA!! Thanks for my first LOL of the day! n/t

[wtmusic]

10. And the lump is...

1) a box of cigars to distribute after making a decisive appearance
2) a rectangular tumor which swells under stress
3) GameBoy for the limo ride back to the hotel

?

[BUSHOUT]

13. Bullet-proof vest? Ceramic plate or buckle on vest? n/t

[merh]

20. Bullet proof vests DO NOT stop that low in the back and they are

called vests, because they were like vests --

[BUSHOUT]

30. I didn't say it stopped there.

I said maybe a buckle, or a ceramic plate.

It might be a special presidential vest for public appearances which buckles at the back so he looks good in front.

With jet packs!

:silly:

[HFishbine]

22. Typical conspiracy theorists logic falacy

The lack of a known explaination of something becomes conclusive proof of the conspiracy.

Can't explain why the number of active sperm in semen has been delcining in humans over the past few decades? It must be caused by airliner contrails. Prove me wrong.

[wtmusic]

26. Typical straw man fallacy

The presentation of evidence assumes the presenter is providing proof or drawing conclusions. :eyes:

[HFishbine]

32. Exactly

My evidence is the observed declining number of sperm in semen. My conclusion is that it's caused by airplane contrails.

No different from the "There's a lump in his back. It's a transmitter for his earpiece" logic.

[wtmusic]

33. Ah ah ah..

You assume I'm drawing conclusions again...shame on you!! :spank:

[Goldmund]

24. Just like there is no evidence about anything

until there is. And the only way that any evidence surfaces about anything is by people raising suspicions before there is evidence.

And that especially applies in cases when the accused holds the reins of power.

Now, I agree that this isn't the most important issue in the world. Kerry can beat him even if Rove and Uncka Dick are helping him. But if we know anything, we know that to this bunch, lying and cheating is second nature. I see no harm in wondering about this and speculating.

[HFishbine]

34. Sure

Nobody is arguing against raising questions, I too still wonder what that bulge was in Bush's back, but you have some people who have gone from asking questions to asserting unsubstantiated speculation as fact. Just look at this post from below:

"But the fact that our president can't get up and talk to the country honestly, without his VP coaching him and (possibly) some sort of electronic help, should and must be exposed. It cuts straight to the heart of the president's credibility."

[merh]

12. If you have the DVD of F911, pay attention to the opening

credits segments, when the different members of the admin are being prepped for t.v - make up applied, etc. When the Ashcroft segment comes on pay attention - he is being rigged for sound and Ashcroft says:

"Make me look pretty, hahaha. . . I got a little air noise, don't turn it up too much, I don't want to blow my head off."

The guy is fooling with a transmitter/receiver attached to his back - it is up at his neck, but I bet it could be attached to the middle of his back. Unfortunately, Moore doesn't show his ears, there are no obvious signs of ear piece or wires.

The point is, the admin uses the receivers. Don't turn it up too much, I don't want to blow my head off.

It was weird to see that when I watched it on DVD.

[BUSHOUT]

15. He was about to do an interview? EVERYONE uses earpieces for that! n/t

[merh]

21. They are illegal in the debate!

Simply giving examples of the equipment used and was he giving an interview or was he making one of his press statements and needed directions from someone? How do you know what he was doing, do you work with them? Or, are you making assumptions?

[BUSHOUT]

40. Yes, I realize. But you were citing Ashcroft hooking himself up in F9-11

Obviously Ashcroft wasn't getting ready for a debate if he was letting the camera see him getting wired.

he giving an interview or was he making one of his press statements....How do you know what he was doing, do you work with them?

WTH? I posed it as a question for Gawdsake! Interview...statement..it makes no difference what Ashcroft was getting ready for.

Don't get so upset overy my contrary opinion. I'm not flaming you.

[merh]

44. All of your posts have been ridiculing the discussion of this

matter. If you find it so ridiculous, why do you continue to remain involved in the discussion. Obviously you are not very successful in trying to dissuade others from considering the possibilities so why stay involved?

[BUSHOUT]

45. I continue to remain involved because people keep posting to me..

I find the "earpiece" theory unbelievable and yes, a little ridiculous; but you shouldn't take that as an attack on you.
I'm assuming that's what you're doing because your posts have taken a decidedly personal tone with me.

Obviously you are not very successful in trying to dissuade others from considering the possibilities

That's not my goal.

[sherilocks]

37. I haven't noticed an earpiece in John Kerry's ear

But, after going over all the speculation, I think that * is wired and that someone prompts him. I also think that exposing this will destroy the credibility, not just of * , but the Repugly party.

BTW: How did you manage to accumulate 82 posts in one day? Jeez, you must have been working overtime.

[BUSHOUT]

42. Me either

Interesting opinion.

Is your question rhetorical?
I'm a fast thinker/typer....and I don't post from work.

Why you looking at my profile? You want a date?
:loveya:

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

14. Why bother? Kerry is armed with his own device

A FUCKING ARTICULATE WAD OF GREY MATTER.

Bush is only smart in the CALCULATING sense...not in the academic sense...he will be so focused on smiling and being nice, he won't be able to think.

[wtmusic]

23. In a perfect world

I would agree with you...

But the fact that our president can't get up and talk to the country honestly, without his VP coaching him and (possibly) some sort of electronic help, should and must be exposed. It cuts straight to the heart of the president's credibility.

If it could be proven it would be a major setback for the GOP. Why not try?

[BUSHOUT]

43. Is it possible

You asked "why not try".

Try how? By asking the media to look into it?
And then is it possible it might backlash? That it might generate sympathy for Bush and a false impression that democrats will accuse him of anything based upon flimsy evidence?
And when the Bush administration replies that it was a BP Vest or the picture was doctored...we now have a humorous distration from issues that are solid and available and already "cut straight to the heart of the presidents credibility".

Next the conservative guests of pundits will make a point about unnamed democrats trying to smear Bush....and telling the lie that all of our attacks are smears of the same calibre.