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BlackVelvetElvis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-08-04 08:50 PM
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From Olberman's site:
Kerry extends to battle of big guy versus middle class. Bush again leaps off stool. Gestures at Kerry. Kerry isn't looking at him; Bush swing hits air. Kerry off the stool, "We did something you don't know how to do: balance the budget." Stinging blow. Point to Kerry.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6198935/
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SCRUBDASHRUB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-08-04 08:52 PM
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1. Also from Olbermann's Site:

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9:49 p.m. ET
Round nine: Kerry receives from Norma Jean Laurent. Why choose an anti-medical lawyer as VP if you're pro medical rights. Superb question and Kerry has a fight on his hands. Says Edwards authored the Patients' Bill of Rights. Rallies by taking Bush's turf and citing OB-GYN's. Are OB-GYN's a large part of the undecideds? Kerry dances successfully and convincing and promises a tax cut to 98 percent of Americans. Bush off his stool and falls to the mat: confuses John Kerry and Ted Kennedy. Minus one point, Bush. Bush reclaims OB-GYN's, says Kerry missed vote that would've helped them. Bush emphatic with the left hand and insists Kerry would ruin health care. Gibson extends with tort reform. "The President's just trying to scare everybody here," and connects to Bush's jaw with reference to "compassionate conservatism." Point, Kerry. Bush again steps on both Kerry and Gibson.
Round, Kerry 1, to -1.
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SCRUBDASHRUB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-08-04 08:53 PM
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2. Bush is condescending as hell; I hope the
audience sees this as we do.
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SCRUBDASHRUB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-08-04 09:00 PM
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3. Update from Olbermann's site:
Round ten: Bush receives from Matthew O'Brien. Are these names aliases? Why with a Republican majority, has he not vetoed spending plans not approved by the American people. Bush broadens to the '90s bubble and the war. He seems to be admonishing the questioner, and now goes off to homeland security and more expenditures for war. He now tries to use the tax cut punch; misses wildly. Mentions "depression" as Kerry smiles anew. Minus one point to Bush. Bush again seems out of breath. Kerry clears his throat, wanders back to health care. Pounds with turnaround from high surplus to big defecit; says it's first tax cut during a war. Point to Kerry. Kerry with a flurry of statistics making few connections. Gibson follows with great point: how do you cut the defecit without retrenchment. Bush now seems angry, claims recession was one of the shortest in history. Kerry connects with failure of Bush job growth promise. Point to Kerry, invoking Enron.
Round: Kerry 2 to -1.
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SCRUBDASHRUB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-08-04 09:04 PM
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4. Round eleven
10:01 p.m. ET
Round eleven: Kerry receives from James Somebody, asks Kerry to swear to the camera that he won't raise tax burdens to families making less than $200,000. Kerry mugs perfectly into camera and does. Dramatic punch. Point to Kerry. Talks about his own need to cut back his own pet projects to resolve Bush defecit. "Pay as you go." And again invokes a Republican, John McCain: "The no lobbyist left behind bill." Says his new taxes to 200+ would affect only himself, Bush, and Charlie Gibson. Gets giggles. Point to Kerry. Bush off his stool to say "it's just not credible" three times, and insists Kerry will raise taxes despite pledge. Point to Bush. "Is my time up?" Minus one point. Maybe he should've borrowed his father's watch. Minus one point to every commentator who mocked the 1992 debate incident. Kerry up calmly, again invokes McCain to look into closing corporate loopholes. Slams back at Bush on "credibility" claiming his 1985 vote for balanced budget. Bush response says "look at the record" even though Kerry just hit him on record.
Round Kerry, 2-0.

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SCRUBDASHRUB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-08-04 09:09 PM
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5. Round twelve
10:05 p.m. ET
Round twelve: Bush receives from James Hubb on his record as environmentalist. Bush with a laundry list of accomplishments but it connects. Point to Bush. Gets lost in the forest. Claims he proposed the hydrogen automobile (thought Gore did that as part of founding the Internet). Kerry scratching his forehead. "I don't think the president is living in the world of reality, which is ok if you're a Red Sox fan." But the Red Sox won tonight on David Ortiz's home run in extra innings to sweep Anaheim. Minus one point to Kerry for lack of sports knowledge. Kerry savages on clean skies bills, calls it Orwellian. Brilliant cadence in answer. Bush reasserts air quality's better, opening the body for a quick Kerry flurry to the ribs. Kerry says we walked away from work of 160 nations over 10 years. Point to Kerry.
Round: Bush, 1-0.

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SCRUBDASHRUB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-08-04 09:17 PM
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6. Round thirteen
10:10 p.m. ET
Round thirteen: Kerry receives from Jean Barrow on how America can remain competitive in manufacturing. Are we sure these are uncommitted voters? Torn from today's headlines of 18,000 jobs lost in manufacturing last month. Kerry misses Bush weak spot. Veers back into health care. Kerry in defensive mode, invokes Gibson's salary again. Misses chance to score heavily. Bush out of his corner and answers by mutual insurance and other plans for small business. Bush scores by claiming Clinton Labor Guru Robert Rubin said Kerry's plan wouldn't work. Point to Bush. A flurry from Bush on Kerry and Edwards missing votes, but confuses with references to S-Corps. Gibson extends, pushes Kerry on stopping outsourcing via tax credits. Kerry responds cleanly with confession that he can't stop outsourcing. Bush up strongly with response that he doesn't know that he owns $84 worth of a timber company. Point to Bush, pending review.
Round, Bush 2-0.
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SCRUBDASHRUB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-08-04 09:18 PM
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7. Round fourteen:
10:15 p.m. ET
Round fourteen: Bush receives from Ron Fowler about dangers to citizens' rights inherent in Patriot Act and Patriot Act Two. Bush bobs and weaves to insist they won't. "I hope you don't think that." Questioner seems dyspeptic and unhappy. Minus one point to Bush. I once smiled when Richard Nixon drove through my hometown and I didn't even like him. Answer isn't deep: several "I don't think it is" replies. Minus one point on substance. Kerry up quickly to quote James Sensenbrenner and other Republicans claiming Patriot Act needs careful revision. Point to Kerry. Bush grinding his teeth. Could be the Debate Two cutaway shot equivalent of the scowl. Kerry endorses Patriot Act.
Round, Kerry, 1 to -2.

10:10 p.m. ET
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SCRUBDASHRUB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-08-04 09:23 PM
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8. Round fifteen:
10:21 p.m. ET
Round fifteen: Kerry receives from Elizabeth Long about adult stem cell cures as opposed to embryonic stem cell cures. Kerry moves slowly, then pounds by invoking Nancy Reagan and Michael J. Fox. One point to Kerry. "Don't take away my hope," he quotes Fox. Invokes Christopher Reeve. May be veering into too many Hollywood references. Michael Moore seems to be looming. Says stem cells could come from frozen embryos left in fertility clinics. No embryo left behind? "I think it is respecting life" to continue research. Bush up but his answer is overshadowed by woman in last row behind him who covers her face in her hand. "To destroy life to save life is one of the real ethical dilemmas that we face." Mentions 22 lines without explaining if he's talking about lines of research, or Boston subway lines. Kerry up quickly accusing Bush of waffling, of allowing some destruction of life but not more. Point to Kerry. Bush up off stool before Kerry's answer. Minus one point for technical violation. Bush responds well with explanation. Point to Bush.
Round: Kerry, 2-1.

10:15 p.m. ET

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SCRUBDASHRUB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-08-04 09:25 PM
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9. Round sixteen:
10:23 p.m. ET
Round sixteen: Bush receives from Jonathan Michaelson about who he'd appoint to Supreme Court. Bush scores with backwoods "I'm not tellin'" answer. Point to Bush. But he's using the Ali rope-a-dope. Invokes the Dred Scott case. That was in 1857, not a recent precedent. Minus one point, Bush. Answer is rambling. Kerry up with Bush quote "What we need are some good conservatives" on the bench. "I don't believe we need a good Conservative judge; I don't believe we need a good Liberal judge." Invokes Potter Stewart and insists a good decision is one written in a way you can't tell who the judge is. Point to Kerry.
Round: Kerry, 1-0.

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