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DrFunkenstein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-13-04 10:27 AM
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Driving Bush Crazy: Kerry Should Incessantly Compare Him to Daddy
If Kerry really wants to get under Bush's skin, he should play up the enormous Oedipal conflict Bush has with his father, whom the son considered a wimp (as opposed to his swagger-teaching mother).

Kerry could easily call Bush I a "real" conservative, unlike Jr. He could talk about how Daddy put together a "real" coalition and a "real" plan for peace by not occupying Baghdad. This would drive Junior insane with rage. Not the first or second time, but if Kerry keeps it up, I guarantee you that we will see one of the most impressive political moments in years when Dubya loses his shit.

Alot of people talked about Bush wanting to avenge his father in Iraq. Not true. He wanted to DESTROY his father by proving him a wimp - and then getting re-elected. Not only that, but he could throw it in Dad's face that he was better than Jeb (always the favorite son).

For a nice primer on the Oedipal tension just ripe for plucking, here's Henrik Hertzberg reviewing the Woodward book:

"The great untold?indeed, untouchable?story of Bush II is what might as well be called the Oedipal angle. The father was a statesman of aristocratic mien and moderate inclinations, a mainstream Episcopalian who served, with varying degrees of distinction, in Congress, the C.I.A., the diplomatic corps, the Vice-Presidency, and, finally, the Presidency itself. The son, a rebel against his father?s seriousness, was an aimless near-wastrel turned fervent evangelical who, beginning at the age of forty-eight, found himself propelled, largely on the strength of his family name, into the governorship of Texas and then into the White House, just eight years after his father had left it.

It stands to reason that these circumstances might create a dynamic worth looking at. Yet, for good reasons and bad, that dynamic has gone mostly unexamined. In the age of Prozac, psychoanalytic reasoning, particularly of the armchair variety, has become deeply unfashionable. Like the theory that the Iraq war will transform the Middle East, the theory that the relations between George H. W. Bush and George W. Bush might somehow affect the policies of the United States government exists purely in the realm of speculation. It is empirically unprovable. No one is more of an empiricist than Bob Woodward. Yet ?Plan of Attack? is full of tantalizing hints that ?father issues? (in the current phrase) might present a problem.

When, in the summer of 2002, Brent Scowcroft?the senior Bush?s national-security adviser, close friend, and coauthor?writes an op-ed piece in the Wall Street Journal headlined ?don?t attack saddam,? one can be forgiven for imagining that the father was sending a message to the son. The son?s Administration was full of people who had served in the father?s, people who had known the son when he was hanging around the White House in the shadow of his cleverer brother Jeb.

It is surely suggestive, at the very least, that the two embodiments of the struggle over Iraq policy within the second Bush Administration were a pair of father figures who had played central roles in the first Bush?s war against Iraq. Cheney, who, like the son, had avoided military service in Vietnam, was ostentatiously submissive in the young President?s presence, but outside it he called the shots. He called the young President ?the Man.? Cheney was not especially popular, and his delicate health ruled out further ambitions. For all his scowls and mumbles, he was unthreatening.

Powell, a war hero like the senior Bush, was by far the Administration?s most popular figure (the President included). It was known that he often disagreed with his boss. Their relations were awkward. Early in the Administration, Powell decided to ask for a little quality time with the Commander-in-Chief. They spent half an hour alone together. As Woodward describes the meeting, it sounds like nothing so much as a divorced dad trying to relate to his sullen teen-age son. ?I think we?re really making some headway in the relationship,? Powell told Armitage afterward, according to Woodward. ?I know we really connected.? Perhaps. But, when Woodward asked Bush about the brief meeting in which he told Powell that he had decided on war, the President replied?with a touch of anger, perhaps???I didn?t need his permission.?

The most astounding passage in ?Plan of Attack? comes in the epilogue, when Woodward is recounting one of his tape-recorded interviews with the President:

I asked about his father in this way: ?Here is the one living human being who?s held this office who had to make a decision to go to war. And it would not be credible if you did not at some point ask him, What are the ingredients of doing this right? Or what?s your thought, this is what I?m facing.?
?If it wouldn?t be credible,? Bush replied, ?I guess I better make up an answer.?

Bush struggles to remember a ?poignant moment? with his father. He comes up empty. ?I can?t remember a moment where I said to myself, maybe he can help me make the decision,? he says. ?I?m trying to remember,? he says. ?I don?t remember,? he says. ?I could ask him and see if he remembers something,? he says. And, finally:

?The discussions would be more on the tactics. How are we doing, How are you doing with the Brits? He is following the news now. And I am briefing him on what I see. You know, he is the wrong father to appeal to in terms of strength. There is a higher father that I appeal to.?

Bush?s talk of a higher father is one of the reasons that the Bush-Cheney campaign (like the John Kerry campaign) has recommended ?Plan of Attack? to its supporters. That kind of talk, after all, is sure to please the base. But if the son is capable of so thoughtlessly blurting out, in effect, that his earthly father is weak?that the boy is determined, at long last, to show his dad a thing or two?then there may be something stranger and darker at the root of our present difficulties than a noble effort to change the world.

http://www.newyorker.com/critics/books/?040510crbo_books
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livetohike Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-13-04 10:30 AM
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1. Makes sense and he should mention Barbara too
Bush will go off the deep end tonight. I'm sure he is going to be medicated so he doesn't have a stroke on stage.

He can't handle it.
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mitchum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-13-04 10:35 AM
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2. Absolutely! That always drives Oedipus Sux crazy
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KharmaTrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-13-04 10:40 AM
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3. Wonderful!!!
How sad it is when your greatest competitor are your own parents. No wonder this boy is so paranoid and insecure. You see his constant need to have his ego fueled and "be loved and approved".

It was the highlight of debate one for me to see that pained look on his face when Senator Kerry invoked Poppy and the look on the manchild was "how dare you".

Is it me, or has Poppy been kept off the campaign trail? Besides the convention, he's been very, very invisible...as is hagatha Babs. What's the deal there?
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On the Road Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-13-04 10:41 AM
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4. Especially on the "Global Test" Issue
and raising taxes. Both were strong points of the first Bush presidency that have been completely reversed by Junior.
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Hand Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-13-04 10:44 AM
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5. My dream scenario...
...is that Chimpy gets SO pissed off that he actually declares the debate over and stomps off the stage, leaving Kerry and Schieffer to have a civilized discussion.

Man--this is quite a gathering drama. I think that Kerry's got to be on his game 100%. He could put the Cokespoon out of the race tonight if he plays it right.

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liberal N proud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-13-04 10:44 AM
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6. I agree, If Kerry would compare him to daddy in the first response
it would be all down hill from there.
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DrFunkenstein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-13-04 10:45 AM
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7. The Recent Rolling Stone Article Reinforces This
McCurry has located a fatal flaw with Bush -- much like Sasso's realization that Bush is living in a fantasy world of spin. "He is tremendously insecure," McCurry says. "Any time any of his aides look like they have stature, he wants to suppress that, because it's about him. When it's not about him, he gets nervous that people will understand that he's not as good as everyone thinks he is."

"Is that his fatal weakness, then?" I ask.

"Yes, and you know who understands this better than anyone? John Kerry. The other day, Kerry said, 'I need humor,' which is why he did some of the late-night and morning shows. But the insight he had was, 'I can get under this guy's skin -- if we have the right kind of humorous barb.' " McCurry pauses. "Last night, Kerry read aloud a Bush quote" -- about how the CIA was guessing about conditions in Iraq -- "and made fun of him, which made the news this morning. So I know -- because I've been there -- that Bush was sitting in his suite in the Waldorf-Astoria getting ready for his day at the United Nations General Assembly, and I'll bet you any amount of money he watched that on TV and went nuts, because Kerry was making fun of his own words. If you saw the clip of the quote, Bush looked like his dad." McCurry takes a short pause for effect. "It was devastating."

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/story/_/id/6539090?pageid=rs.Politics&pageregion=single4&rnd=1097588324609&has-player=false

If Kerry can get under Bush's skin to reveal the tremendous insecurity behind the swagger and tough talk (I'd love to have Kerry say it was *'s love of tough talk that sided with the Pentagon chickenhawks), you could see some real fireworks.

Richard Goldstein amazingly predicted this scenario long ago - all the way back to Bush's flight-suit packing:

"Kerry isn't the front-runner, yet the White House has singled him out for sexual calumny. To understand this fixation, you have to consider Kerry's stature (he towers over Bush), his war record, and his sloe-eyed Kennedy aura. In another era, these would be clear signals of masculinity. Today, you have to flash your stash, and Kerry's patrician style doesn't lend itself to that. But he does have those tales from 'Nam, and in a one-on-one he could expose the angst under Bush's aggression. If the economy tanks while Iraq seethes, we just might have a real contest."

http://www.villagevoice.com/issues/0321/goldstein.php

Read that article, btw. It is friggin' hilarious. Maybe the funniest article of this whole process.
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wtmusic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-13-04 10:46 AM
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8. great post, Dr. F
gotta love that New Yorker
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DrFunkenstein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-13-04 10:55 AM
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11. I Go Straight For The Hertzberg Everytime
Between him and David Corn, maybe Lewis Lapham, I'd say you have some of the saaviest voices on Beltway politics.
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louis-t Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-13-04 10:49 AM
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9. Then, just when * is clearly agitated
call him "Mr. Bush". Should drive him right over the edge.
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IIgnoreNobody Donating Member (376 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-13-04 10:53 AM
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10. Dubya hates when people talk about his father.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A9709-2004Oct5.html

Chirac knew Bush's father, former president George H.W. Bush, well, but that relationship actually proved to be a distraction for the current president, according to the book, which says that Bush was annoyed that Chirac kept mentioning his father at every occasion. For months, French diplomats asked Chirac not to refer to Bush's father when he met the president, but he kept doing it.

During one of Bush's first European trips, when the new president impressed other European leaders at a summit, Chirac excitedly pulled out his cell phone to call Bush's father to report that the new president had done a great job, the authors said.

"The father reported this to his son," Cantaloube said. "It was not very well received in the White House."
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DrFunkenstein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-13-04 11:02 AM
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12. Bush On His Mom's Swagger; Another Vote For Oedipus
He conceded in unusually personal terms that "some folks look at me and see a certain swagger, which in Texas is called 'walking,' " and that "now and then I come across as a little too blunt," he suggested that those traits were bred in the bone and unlikely to change at 58. "For that," the president said, referring to his mother, Barbara, "we can all thank the white-haired lady sitting right up there."

http://www.nytimes.com/2004/09/03/politics/campaign/03a...

As to Saddam Hussein, the irrational reason for Bush's irritation with him may have something to do with his oft publicized statement: "That man tried to kill my Dad." Although this has been bandied about a lot, no one has pointed out the secret subtext for this statement, which is: " No one can kill my father except me," that is no one can surpass Bush Senior by going beyond what he was able to accomplish except Bush Junior, who can thereby prove that he is more powerful than his father.

http://www.bartcop.com/032403shrink.htm

Hmmm....
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IIgnoreNobody Donating Member (376 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-13-04 11:10 AM
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13. When speaking of the two Bushes, Kerry should use the terms:
"the father" and "the child"

"The father built a real coalition but the child didn't learn his lesson."
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giant_robot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-13-04 11:22 AM
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14. No doubt that * has serious Oedipal issues
I'm wondering what's going to happen after he loses the election, since so much of his self-esteem seems to be tied to doing what his father couldn't do. I think we're in for a real psychotic episode on Nov. 3rd.
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DrFunkenstein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-13-04 01:50 PM
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16. Do you Think There's A Chance That He'll Cry Tonight?
Poor little guy. Never could measure up to his Pa. Couldn't even measure up to Jeb. Will they have to bail out little brother one more time?

Bush took us into an unnecessary war, but I think all he really needed was a hug.
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Eric J in MN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-13-04 11:23 AM
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15. You're right. Best part of first debate (nt)
nt
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