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Beetwasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-13-04 06:00 PM
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Really, Who the FUCK Are These Nimrods Who Change Their Minds?
Are the polls really THAT big of a scam? (Yes many of them are) Or are there really people who change their minds week to week? Has the lead really been changing hands? When Bush's reelection was in the low 40's, then in the low 50's now back to the 40's, are there REALLY people who went back and forth and back again???? I have to believe these wishy-washy flip-floppers (if they exist, which I doubt) are an extremely small segment of the population and the polls are just almost complete total fucking bullshit. Do you think these people care if Kerry's a "flip-flopper"??? :shrug:

OY!
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endnote Donating Member (645 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-13-04 06:01 PM
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1. Retards will decide the election...
Sob...
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-13-04 06:09 PM
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5. WELL! Doesn't THAT Put It In A Nutshell
:D
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napi21 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-13-04 06:04 PM
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2. I dunno. I'm sure there are some who vacilate, and some playing.
I haven't done it, but I have thought about answering to opposite of what I thought, just to game the pollsters. If I thought about it, I'm sure others are doin it!
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acmavm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-13-04 06:07 PM
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3. From an e-mail I got today from Arianna Huffington:
MODS: I TRIED TO PUT A LINK TO THIS DAMN THING, I COULDN'T DO IT.

APPEALING TO OUR LIZARD BRAINS: WHY BUSH IS STILL STANDING

By Arianna Huffington


Since the president's meltdown in the first debate — followed in quick succession by Paul Bremer's confession, the CIA's no-al-Qaida/Saddam link report, the Duelfer no-WMD-since-'91 report, and the woeful September job numbers — I have been racking my brain trying to figure out why George W. Bush is still standing.

The answer arrived via my friend Ed Solomon, the brilliant writer and filmmaker, who explained that the conundrum could be solved by looking at the very organ I'd been racking.

Ed introduced me to the work of Dr. Daniel Siegel, a Harvard-trained psychiatrist and author of the forthcoming book "Mindsight," which explores the physiological workings of the brain.

Turns out, when it comes to Campaign 2004, it's the neuroscience, stupid!

Or, as Dr. Siegel told me: "Voters are shrouded in a 'fog of fear' that is impacting the way our brains respond to the two candidates."

Thanks to the Bush campaign's unremitting fear-mongering, millions of voters are reacting not with their linear and logical left brain but with their lizard brain and their more emotional right brain.

Thanks to the Bush campaign's unremitting fear-mongering, millions of voters are reacting not with their linear and logical left brain but with their lizard brain and their more emotional right brain.

What's more, people in a fog of fear are more likely to respond to someone whose primary means of communication is in the nonverbal realm, neither logical nor language-based. (Sound like any presidential candidate you know?)

And that's why Bush is still standing. It's not about left wing vs. right wing; it's about left brain vs. right brain.

Deep in the brain lies the amygdala, an almond-sized region that generates fear. When this fear state is activated, the amygdala springs into action. Before you are even consciously aware that you are afraid, your lizard brain responds by clicking into survival mode. No time to assess the situation, no time to look at the facts, just: fight, flight or freeze.

And, boy, have the Bushies been giving our collective amygdala a workout. Especially Dick Cheney, who has proven himself an unmatched master of the dark art of fear-mongering. For an object lesson in how to get those lizard brains leaping, look no further than the vice-presidential debate.

"The biggest threat we face today," said Cheney in his very first answer "is the possibility of terrorists smuggling a nuclear weapon or a biological agent into one of our own cities and threatening the lives of hundreds of thousands of Americans."

Just in case we didn't get the point, he repeated the ominous assertion, practically word for word, two more times — throwing in the fact that he was "absolutely convinced" that the threat "is very real." It was "be afraid, be very afraid" to the third power.

And when we are afraid, we are biologically programmed to pay less attention to left-brain signals — indeed, our logical mind actually shuts itself down. Fear paralyzes our reasoning and literally makes it impossible to think straight. Instead, we search for emotional, nonverbal cues from others that will make us feel safe and secure.

When our right brain is at Threat Level Red, we don't want to hear about a four-point plan to win the peace, or a list of damning statistics, or even a compelling, well-reasoned argument that the policies of Bush and Cheney are actually making us less safe. We want to get the feeling that everything is going to be all right.

In this state, our brains care more about tone of voice than what the voice is saying. This is why Bush can verbally stumble and sputter and make little or no sense and still leave voters feeling that he is the candidate best able to protect them. Our brains are primed to receive the kinds of communication he has to offer and discard the kinds John Kerry has to offer, even if Kerry makes more "logical sense." Which, of course, he does.

The strutting, winking, pointing and near-shouting that marked Bush's town hall debate performance all sent the same subconscious message to our fear-fogged brains: "I'm your daddy . . . I've got your back. So just go to sleep and stop thinking. About anything."

"At the deepest level," Dr. Siegel told me, "we react to fear as adults in much the same way we did as infants. It's primal. Human babies have the most dependent infancy of any species. Our survival depends on the caregiver. We instinctively look to authority figures to comfort us and keep us safe."

As needy infants, this natural drive to be soothed and reassured is what we looked for in our parents; as anxious adults in these exceptionally unsettling times, it's what we are looking for in our leaders.

Over the remaining three weeks of the campaign, as the anxiety level reaches a fevered pitch — and you can be certain the Bush campaign will do everything in its power to make sure that happens — the test facing voters is no longer, "Which candidate would you rather have a beer with?" It's "Which candidate would you rather give you your blankie and a bottle and keep the boogeyman away?"

I know it sounds ludicrous that the most important election of our lifetime is coming down to who can best pacify the electorate's inner baby, but I can think of no better explanation as to why Bush is not currently hovering at around 5 percent in the polls — a voting block made up of those hardcore fanatics who are as utterly blind to reality as he is.

As long as we're operating from our lizard brains — and reason takes a back seat to more primal needs — George Bush will continue to survive the logic-based attacks on his ever-escalating failures.

The only question that remains is: Can Bush, Cheney and Rove keep us shrouded in the fog of fear long enough to brain John Kerry and win in November?





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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-13-04 06:12 PM
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6. That doesn't explain 2000
And why Arianna used to be a Republican.

They've been doing the same shit my whole life. Well, except maybe Gerald Ford and look what happened to him.
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-13-04 06:20 PM
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9. Laughter Is The Best Way To Put Fear In Perspective
without relying on the Left/Right brain dichotomy.

Which is why it is imperative that Democrats begin ridiculing Junior from now until November 2nd.

Also, keep in mind that for many people "Daddy" was an abusive person. For many, the Authoritative Figure is one who they EXPECT to abuse them.

Battered wife syndrom.
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bigpathpaul Donating Member (623 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-13-04 06:27 PM
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11. The whole fear thing is exactly right. It's a powerful emotion and the
repugs know exactly which buttons to press. I'm not sure how you counter it:
1. Find persuasive ways of reassuring people?
2. Fighting fear with fear?
3. None of the above?
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bigpathpaul Donating Member (623 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-13-04 06:44 PM
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12. More on the politics of fear. And the Cure.
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Beetwasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-13-04 06:59 PM
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13. She Nails It; The Inner Baby
Would love a link since you really shouldn't be posting this whole thing. Just type the address exactly as it appears in your address bar if it won't copy.
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endnote Donating Member (645 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-13-04 07:15 PM
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15. Sorry, I'm a neuroscientist. This is a huge pile of BS...
the left=logical/right=emotional brain thing has no real basis in empirical evidence. I'm scared of bombs in the subway. But I', not voting Bush...
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EmperorHasNoClothes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-13-04 06:08 PM
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4. Stupid, lazy and uninterested
Too dumb to realize that elections really DO have an impact on their lives. Sorry to be so blunt, but that's the way I see it.

Good point about the flip-flopping though - the votes that are up for grabs are the undecideds, who probably couldn't care less about flip flopping.

That is, unless they are hypocrites - which by definition would make them Republicans. :evilgrin:
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CityHall Donating Member (332 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-13-04 06:15 PM
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7. A lot of people don't trust Democrats...
on issues like taxes, welfare, defense. A lot of them don't like Bush's policies, think he's too extreme, but they still don't want a return to Carter-era tax rates and welfare-stateism. That's why Bush is trying to paint Kerry as Dukakis with the "liberal" label.

Also, it's easier to understand Bush's "kill the bastards" foreign policy than it is to think of fundamentalist terrorism as seperate from Iraq. People will usually go for the guy who talks tough and wants to attack even if they know at some level that his policies will create countless problems down the road. It's the old "Well, we have to do something" argument that comes up on almost every issue.

Someone posted a thread saying he's converted an undecided voter with the "gridlock" argument. These people might just tilt to Kerry if they accept that the GOP-controlled congress won't let him pass any "liberal" legislation they don't like, but he'll still be able to fix Bush's more obvious mistakes.
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RafterMan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-13-04 06:16 PM
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8. You *love* people who change their minds
Stay on target...
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dave502d Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-13-04 06:22 PM
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10. Kerry has always been ahead,the new and the polls lie.
They GOP have been cheating and they will cheat anyway they can,think
about it most of the court house in this country our controlled by the
GOP.I hope I'm wrong.
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Tansy_Gold Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-13-04 07:07 PM
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14. They may not in fact be changing their minds
The pollsters don't necessarily call the exact same people every time. One day they happen to get a mix of 45% staunch Dems, 45% staunch (stupid) pukes, and the 10% mix varies. Might be 5-5 one day, 3-7 another. With the small number of "undecideds" in the demographic, a slight shift could make a world of difference.
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