Paul Begala exposed by Jon Stewart

[grasswire]

Begala defended those who spin for Bush. He said they really believe what they're saying. Many of them are his friends, he said. They REALLY BELIEVE they're speaking the truth.

Bye bye, Begala.

[Proud2BAmurkin]

1. "Zell Miller is a wonderful wonderful guy"

No he isn't, begala

[Demoiselle]

30. He actually SAID that?!!!!???!!!! My god.

A loud cheer for Jon Stewart. I hate the screamer political shows. They poison everything. And, I fear, Begala is as big a whore as Tucker. And let us never forget that CARVILLE SLEEPS WITH THE ENEMY!!

[mac56]

34. Begala and Carville both worked with Zell

back before he was a DINO.

In fact, they urged Gore to pick Zell instead of Lieberman in 2000.

They're just being loyal to an old friend.

[DemBones DemBones]

42. In fact, Zell told Clinton to hire Begala & Carville.

Zell was a Democrat back then.

[ElectroPrincess]

64. Whoa!

I'll try to find a link confirming this BUT, if true, that's astounding. Hum ...

[cyr330]

66. WHY?

He certainly hasn't been fucking loyal to them or the rest of us!

[Cha]

47. I'm sorry ..I don't really like

begala..I know he's a dem and everything but something about him ..and he was as freaked out as tucker when Jon started in.

[IHateFundies]

62. he's just a Whore like the rest of them

nothing but a "partisan hack" just like Jon Stewart said. Sure he's on "our side" until someone else pays him more money.

[formernaderite]

73. Stop being so naieve....these guys in DC are ALL friends....

...I am constantly amazed at the incredulity some of you have regarding relationships in DC. I sold my soul in DC for many years and left. These guys on both sides of the aisles are best buddies off camera. Their lobbyists are best buddies, their spokesman are best buddies.
You don't need more proof than Matelin and Carville. Ginsburg and Scalia are best friends.
Does that mean they don't take the politics seriously? Sometimes, but not always. I always found that most treated it like a sport, and like with any game you're in it to win. That probably explains my fascination with third parties.

[PretzelWarrior]

2. F* YOU, Begala. you don't believe that. You're a Clinton campaigner

and you protect your little cottage industry. Get a grip. You guys should be enlightening us with your cable bandwidth...not performing school yard ranking sessions.

[AP]

8. Begala worked for Miller before he worked for Clinton. Miller used to be

amazing. Now he's senile and acts like a guy who's getting paid to say what he says.

[AP]

16. Begala needs to watch that scene where Luke says to Vader in Empire...

...Strikes Back, "NOOOOO" and jumps off the bridge. Begala isn't exactly going over to the dark side, but he's not letting go of that railing with his one good hand either.

The noble thing to do is to jump and hope your fellow freedom fighters are waiting for you with the Millenium Falcon when you stop falling.

[Carni]

38. I have to defend those two

Because regardless of their pandering they got their man in office for two terms.

As much as I enjoy Jon Stewart he hasn't put anyone in office.

I'm not willing to cut bait on Begala and Carville they have their approach and they have had a degree of success with it...I am not going to classify these guys as right wingers in hiding.

[madfloridian]

43. Then be on guard with them.

Like them, but be on guard.

[dolstein]

3. Agreed -- what they REALLY believe is it's ok to lie for their candidate

Now to be fair, sometimes the spin is accurate -- like what the Democrats were doing. But the confluence of spin and truth is just a happy coincidence. The fact is, the Kerry people would be saying the same thing even if he had lost the debate. We all know that. You'd think that a serious news channel wouldn't go anywhere near the spin zone.

[Bluebear]

4. Begala: Bush is a great guy, just a bad president

No, he is a miserable human being as well. Wht's left of Begala's credibility just went down the pisshole thanks to Jon.

[grasswire]

5. yep

Begala is a dick too, Jon. Now we know it.

[luaneryder]

12. I was never too impressed with Begala

There was always something about him...Jon Stewart got him to show his true colors in just a few minutes. Thanks, Jon, now I know.

[phish420]

26. Watch hunting of the President

I think youll change your mind...he does have a true heart felt love of this country, but he does have a sense of having to defend his friends to an extent, at least to where he can PUBLICLY keep the person seperated from the politics. His job is not to attack their person, only their political ideals. I think it is sad that anyone here would so harshly criticize Begala as Ive seen in here.

[Clinton Crusader]

29. I agree with you phish420 nt

:kick:

[TrustingDog]

51. here in Canada I've been waiting for the movie for Months...

it's soon to be out for rental - just waiting for formalities from the censor board or something to be released. Hopefully next week.

[Weembo]

14. Law School

Begala was a punk back then too.

[merh]

23. Welcome to DU Weembo!

Hard for zebras to change their stripes so it makes sense that he was a punk in law school. If you are posting from experience, thanks for sharing!

Again -- Welcome to DU :hi:

[Bongo Prophet]

19. How dare you say Begala is a dick too! He's not!

He's a shill!

Big Difference!
:evilgrin:

[AP]

11. During primaries Edwards was asked if he liked Bush personally.

He said he didn't know Bush personally -- and implied he didn't care to know Bush personally -- and said what mattered was what Bush was doing to the country was really bad and that was enough...


That's what Begala needs to know. It doesn't matter to a jobless man in Palo Alto or a soldier dying in Falujah whether Bush or any of those clowns are decent people. What they're doing to America is a crime and that's all you need to know. We should be talking about their crimes and not their personalities.

[Cha]

49. Well said, AP!

:toast:

[Bush was AWOL]

72. I agree with Begala

Bush is a likeable guy, but he's a terrible president. You people are overreacting.

[knowbody0]

6. watching jon wasbetter than sex

[Southern Patriot]

21. You must have a terrible sex life. nfm

nfm

[nomes]

36. Definately better than sex!

I watched it 6 times, and I'm still getting chills.

You Rock My World Jon Stewart!

[sadiesworld]

7. Absolutely.

Whores, the lot of 'em. If we don't demand better, we'll never get it.

Jon Stewart was amazing.

Truth to power.

[Crunchy Frog]

63. Nobody is better than jon

at calling out the whores. And he makes no partisan distinction, even though it's clear he's on the liberal end of the scale. He'll call out a liberal whore as quickly as a conservative one. He's just a total bullshit detector.

[BUSHOUT]

9. I interpret that as a slam against those who spin for Bush

He's saying they're not living in the land of reality...like Bush himself.

Speaking of reality, have you emailed CNN about Nightline yet? go here for talking points

[fugop]

10. Come ON, Begala

I heard spinners after the first debate calling it for BUSH. I mean, if they can't tell the truth about that, they're either delusional or, and this is the way I lean, LYING THEIR ASSES off.

[Proud2BAmurkin]

15. If Begala can't admit Bush spinners are LIARS just like their boss...

what good is he

[Bombtrack]

13. I think Begala was just trying to lessen the level of discomfort in the

room. If you'll notice he shut up for most of what Stewart had to say. I think he agreed with alot of what Stewart was saying about the media in general but didn't like that he seemed to be taking it all out on 2 people one of whom was him and the other his co-host who he's been going to work with for the last couple years.

[tridim]

18. Discomfort in the room?

The audience was loving it! The only people who were uncomfortable were Paul and Tucker.

[tkmorris]

22. Perhaps

But it doesn't matter. Begala was still trying to defend the indefensible. He may be just a smidgeon less of a "partisan hack" than Tucker Carlson but he is light years from being good enough and that's what matters. It isn't about left or right, it's about being totally full of shit.

[saracat]

17. To be fair, Jon wasn't nearly aa angry at Paul as he was at Tucker.

And there is nothing wrong with diplomcy. Paul has always been the assigned delegate to deal with the other side, and he is very good at it. If he antagonized them, he wouldn't be able to deal. We have Carville to be the pitbull. If we only have pitbulls , we don't get anything done. This isn't a one way street. Do you think the repugs are magically going to vanish after the election? Who is going to be able to talk to them through this viel of hate? Don't through the baby out with the bathwater. We will need Begala more than ever.(And on a personal note, paul didn't lie about the spin room like Tucker did. They are both in the spin room. I saw them and talked to Paul)

[Bombtrack]

20. i agree 100 percent

[AG78]

24. That's only because

Carlson was the one that was talking back.

Stewart(along with any other thinking person) is pissed at the American political media system, which includes both sides.

[saracat]

27. Of course he is, but you miss my point.

We can't all be pitbulls. Someone has to negotiate. Politics is the art of compromise and Clinton was master of it and so is Begala. We NEED Begala. Trashing him is NOT helpful. We see what pitbull diplomacy brought us in the current WH. I think we shouldn't want to see more of it, regardless of which side it occurs on. it always leads to the same end. Complete division.

[Bush was AWOL]

74. Agree

If we are going to trash a liberal that is part of the mainstream media, Begala and Carville are the last two that deserve to be bashed.

[evilqueen]

59. Heh.

Do you think the repugs are magically going to vanish after the election?

Well, yes, that was my hope. :smoke:

[missouri dem]

61. My hope is that we put enough of them in jail that the ones that are left

are more respectful of the truth.

[ElectroPrincess]

65. Here here ... at some point we must attempt to achieve a level of

civil discourse with the Republicans who have not drank the party Kool Aide. And yes, albeit few at the present time, there are some of good character and integrity (well, for politicians LOL).

[grasswire]

25. Atrios is spanking Begala, too

http://www.atrios.blogspot.com/

[Cha]

52. Thanks!

"Dumboys

I don't know how many of you are watching Crossfire, but Jon Stewart is on and he's making both Tuckie and Paul a tad uncomfortable.

They seem to be unaware that The Daily Show is a parody of the news and that its mission is to make fun of them. And that's because they are so insular and self-referential that they have no idea how the country really sees them.

They don't like it. Especially the Tuckster who is plainly wants to scratch his eyes out.

Stewart is trying to make the point that they are contributing to the dumbing down of the discourse by presenting this fake news, or political theatre, that they pretend is news. He isn't being funny and he isn't doing the usual celebrity circle jerk and they are finding it very discomfiting.

Good."

[Fridays Child]

28. He's made a fundamental error of judgment. Bushistas are not ignorant.

They willingly fold, spindle, and mutilate the truth and they do so with malice aforethought. That's the difference between Neocons and Liberals. For them, the end justifies any and all means. But we believe that, when the process loses integrity, the objective is less than just.

[Democat]

31. Begala looked like a pathetic Colmes clone

He spent the entire show defending Bush and Republicans.

Who was representing Democrats on that show? Not Begala - he looked like he was on Bush's payroll.

[Chelsea Patriot]

87. Begala's on Rove's payroll, isn't he?

Doesn't Begala work for Rove's Consulting/P.R. Firm?

I believe I read that here on DU a very long time ago. I also believe that Ann Richards works for Rove's firm, too, that through Rove's firm is how she gets her speaking gigs on The Larry King Show.

The person who posted this very interesting bit of information immediately was shouted down.

I have never trusted Rove or Richards since reading this.

Can anyone confirm?

[rooboy]

32. I could not believe how hard Begala worked to suppress...

the question from the audience about the box on *'s back. It was like Begala was privy to some deep, dark secret that could never be revealed.

[Democat]

35. It was more like he was on the Republican payroll like Alan Colmes!

Begala looked like nothing more than another right wing spinner.

[Gloria]

39. He called it a "rumple"--when obviously it isn't just a 'rumple"--

I swear Jon deliberately feigned ignorance just to watch what would come out of Begala's mouth when he jumped in. After he finished, Jon said "I see." His eye were really narrowed when Begala was spinning...the wheels were turning....

[Cha]

53. Okay! I wondered why Jon hadn't

heard about that..your point makes sense.

[against all enemies]

33. They carry Novak's water every day. He outed a CIA agent,

but everyday they defend that piece of shit. The money must be sooo good. By the way Begala and Carlson, did you every ASK Novak about outting Plame? No, of course not, but it's a major story when Kerry mentions Cheney's daughter.

[MoonRiver]

37. There's a reason why we see a lot more of Begala than Carville

on Crossfire.

[Cha]

54. And that reason would be ...

cause he can be run over easier?

[MoonRiver]

67. That's a good way to phrase it.

I also wonder how committed he is to Dems in general. Frequently he's an attack dog, but all too often he's an apologist for Repugs. JMHO, of course.

[Dinger]

40. He Just Doesn't Cut It, Nothing Like

Carville.

[incapsulated]

41. Begala's been on my shitlist long before Jon Stewart

He's waaay overrated, imho.

Did you notice the scores he gave Bush in the second debate? A's???

Gimmie a fucking break.

Anyone can yell insults at Bush or Tucker Carlson, for chrissakes, that's work a monkey could do.

[oasis]

44. Begala's okay. He's a great advocate for Democrats. There were

times when I was pissed with him, but I was pissed with Bill and Hillary Clinton at times too.

And I love Bill and Hillary.

[Lorien]

45. We sent flowers to Byrd for his bravery, why not Jon

Stewart?

Your thoughts?http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x2497720

[Nordic]

46. "The guy who raped me is REALLY in love with me!"

so that makes it okay.

uh ..................NO

[Zinfandel]

48. This is fundamentally BULLSHIT...Begala is sitting financially pretty

so, why not.,..because it's convoluted bullshit, that's why!

[riverwalker]

50. pundit biz needs fresh talent

the same voices are getting stale and irrelevent, and timid. We need more Jon Stewarts, maybe some new talent will rise out from the campaign.

[Cha]

56. The "pundit biz" does

indeed "need fresh talent"..I haven't watched for 2 years and seeing the crossfire guys via the net..strongly reminded me why.

It was extra special for me to see Jon go on there and tell them as nicely as he could that they are harming our Country.

[TheDonkey]

55. Begala is one of our few voices on TV, I'm not going to bash him

Of course everything he says I don't agree with. That's the same thing I think about EVERYONE.

Many times though I've seen him really stand up for liberals and Democrats.

[Bush was AWOL]

76. Agree, people need to calm down and back off of Paul n/t

[kodi]

57. you do realize this is what nader has been saying for years?

just in case you forgot.

[saracat]

60. Fuck Nader.

His name shouldn't even be spoken that traitorous bastard. I think I might hate him more than Bush because he lied and made Bush possible. Who care about anything he says?

[kodi]

70. apparently, the truth matters not to you

whether you like nader or not, and i detest the man's actions over the last 4 years, he has been saying this for decades.

only an idiot would refuse to acknowldge the truth because of the personal opinion one has for the one speaking the truth.

[Cha]

79. nadir lies...

he's his own worst enemy.

[kodi]

84. but not about this

and if you refuse to hear thre truth simply because of who is telling you the truth you are your worst enemy and no better than a freeper

[BootinUp]

75. Its too bad Nader doesn't have a clue

how to advance his political agenda. What a waste.

[secular_warrior]

58. Begala and Carville aren't liberals but they aren't DINOs either

Carville and Begala upset some people on the left because they go on TV and pretend to be liberals when in reality they are DLC'ers who - let's be honest - don't really think the most of liberals. Carville was pulling for Lieberman during the primaries, IIRC.

They are still loyal moderate Dems who were very instrumental in electing the only two-term Democratic president in most of our lifetimes. They are excellent, tough political operatives who can beat the Republicans at their own game. That is what they should be doing IMO, instead of the liberal talking head act that most of us can easily see through. In this day and age the Dem base desperately wants real champions who really believe in what we believe.

[Catt03]

68. As much as I agree with Stewart

I thought he was a little over the top.

I like him better when he is using cutting humor rather than in your face attacks.

Crossfire started out pretty well but now it is a half hour of screaming like Chris Matthews.

[LuminousX]

78. Over the top? he was begging for Crossfire to Help America

WTF is up with you people. Over the top... my ass.

[Cha]

80. Right...Stewart wasn't

"over the top", but incredibly Brave!

May we have more "over the topness", in the future!

[Catt03]

86. Don't address me as "you people"

And don't scream WTF to me.

[BootinUp]

69. I luv what Jon had to say, but today's cable news

is all about making money. That is why they pander to politicians, so the politicians keep coming back. What isn't coming back, is serious news coverage on 24 hour cable news. I'll qualify that. You may have one or two hours of good coverage. I think Olberman runs a very good show for instance, relatively speaking.

[spanone]

71. Television exposure is like the power of the presidency

It corrupts. You gain fame, you're recognized, your opinion matters, you start to believe your press. it's all bullshit. I've been around television productions and the egos involved rival the Senate.

[Cha]

81. I can imagine...they should all

get knocked down a peg or two Or 75!

[IndianaGreen]

77. Paul Bagala exposed himself on the Cynthia McKinney matter

when he shamelessly allied himself with the Republican rightwing and the ultra-Zionist wacko coalition that defeated McKinney in 2002.

Begala is dung!

[seventhson]

82. Begala, Rove, McKinnon, PSI (Public Strategies Inc.) Googler

Begala and McKinnon have been lobbying partners for many years.

They converged at PSI - which lobbied for Texas energy companies and many many others (gambling too).

PSI reps Rove on media matters and Mark McKinnon (Begala's best buddy whom Begala advised to work for Bush in Texas).

THAT is why Begala bashed McKinney. That is why Begala is such a good buddy and apologist defender of these Bush bastards and THAT is why Gore "lost" - Begala's SISTER was Gore's media coordinator in 2000.

Begala is in bed with THEM.

I discovered this when researching Begala after the McKinney incident.

Begala is a right wing media (cnn AFTER ALL)whore posing as a leftie liberal.

MACHIAVELLI.

[Zhade]

88. Got some links? This wouldn't surprise me in the least.

Look at how Brazille (sp?) is all buddy-buddy with KKKarl.

[Zhade]

83. And his buddy Carville has ties to the rightwing Venezuelan "opposition".

This isn't really a surprise.

[Joe Chi Minh]

85. He can only mean

then, that they are idiots. They have to be either fools or knaves, don't they. There is such a thing as truth, for an open mind to close on - a touchstone just as relevant to politics as to any other area of human affairs.