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helpisontheway Donating Member (641 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-24-04 12:16 PM
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Where are people getting that Zogby says 6 pt lead?
I just checked the Reuter's site and it says Bush is leading by two points, not six.
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WI_DEM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-24-04 12:21 PM
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1. yes it is a two point Bush lead today, but beware tomorrow's Zogby
is likely to be a bummer. Zogby said that "for the second day in a row" Bush had a good day and on Saturday he outpolled Kerry 50-43--so Kerry's best day Thursday will drop off tomorrow and unless today is a good day for Kerry--Monday's results might show a jump for Bush.
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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-24-04 12:34 PM
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2. Bummer. 50%?
EEK!
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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-24-04 12:48 PM
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3. Good news is the WP/ABC poll had a great day for Kerry on Saturday?
:)

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GRLMGC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-24-04 01:41 PM
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6. 50?
How is it possible that there has been such a huge shift?
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-24-04 03:53 PM
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9. Hmmm
Edited on Sun Oct-24-04 04:00 PM by DemocratSinceBirth
Washington Post has been tracking since 10/1 and they said Saturday was Kerry's best day...

Daily samples are only four hundred people so your m.o.e for one day would be about nine percent...

Some movements are just noise...

Zogby was polling NH and he said the Sunday before the primary Kerry and Dean were polling even.... Kerry won by thirteen points I believe....
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kostya Donating Member (769 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-24-04 04:09 PM
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17. If you're looking for angst you can find it in just about every poll.
All this stuff is within the MOE. Besides, Zogby's is a tracking poll via the 'net and of questionable value. GOTV, that's what counts! No poll can tell you how that is going.
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AndyTiedye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-24-04 01:12 PM
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4. The Media Has Gored Our Candidate
The undecided voters have been sliding to Booosh
and one more orange alert will pick up the rest of them.

The only way we can possibly win this
is with the biggest turnout ever.
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troublemaker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-24-04 01:38 PM
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5. I am starting to think zogby was lucky in 2000
If he had gore too high for whatever reason then he would have seemed to have "captured" the DWI fall-out that everyone else "missed."

If he really had Gore winning by one point in California (as I've read here a lot) then who knows what's what. <shrug>
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Awsi Dooger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-24-04 03:47 PM
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7. You're not alone in that assessment
There are several pollsters I place above Zogby, after studying polls for 8 years. ARG would be #1. In particular, Zogby state polls are among the least reliable. He didn't get nearly enough grief after the flops of 2002. He'll have to nail the presidential race one more time, in relation to everyone else, to convince me his national numbers deserve more attention than other polls.
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-24-04 04:02 PM
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12. Is ARG That Good...
Zogby is exalted at this site but he was way off in 02 and had Gore winning Cali by one...
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tedoll78 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-24-04 03:55 PM
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10. Considering the margin of error..
it really is a crapshoot. Some pollsters tend to get lucky in some years, while many others are.. off..
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sonicx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-24-04 04:06 PM
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16. well, one reason why i like zogby compared to most others is
becuase his polls don't have mad swings. When you see Gallup and others showing bush bouncing 7/8 points in a week, you go nuts cuz you know that that can't really happen.

Zogby helps regain your sanity. ;)
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yardwork Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-24-04 03:50 PM
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8. Democrats haven't been home answering polls for weeks
We are out canvassing neighborhoods, early voting, and working at our local Democratic headquarters.

Freepers with nothing better to do are home answering the phone and taking polls.
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-24-04 03:59 PM
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11. Kerry's Going To Get Fifty Million Votes
Edited on Sun Oct-24-04 04:03 PM by DemocratSinceBirth
Less than one tenth of them will prolly do nothing more than vote...

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Virginian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-24-04 04:03 PM
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13. When will they start including Dems in their sample?
It would be nice if those were the numbers and only Republicans had been polled.

Where are they calling? Has anyone here been called?

I don't think I ever will be called because I am not far enough "outside the beltway."
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-24-04 04:05 PM
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15. You Have A Better Chance Of Winning The Lotto Than Being Polled (nt)
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A-Schwarzenegger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-24-04 04:05 PM
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14. Rasmussen Tracking has Kerry closing.
Bush is only up by .4. He was up by 3 two days ago. So ...

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/Presidential_Tracking_Poll.htm
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