Bush Says His Party Is Wrong to Oppose Gay Civil Unions

[Catfight]

nytimes.com

So Mr. Flip-flopper bigot bouncer is now courting the gay vote and parents of gays? Who will say ANYTHING to get re-appointed? That would be George War Bush and Dickhead Cheney!

I hope Kerry nails the last nail into the Bush campaign on using the backs of gays and their families to get a vote! You just can't go any lower than exploiting American families and saying people will die because they want change in America.

7 more days...take it home Kerry! I'm sick of these assholes in our prestigious WH.

Demand an honest election people!

[Guaranteed]

1. NO...FUCKING...WAY.

Link?

[prodigal_green]

2. Huh?

Insert picture of prodigal green rubbing her eyes in disbelief.

That ought to make his base happy.

[JusticeForAll]

3. Link please n/t

[Guaranteed]

4. I looked at the Times front page and only saw a BS

article on Bush's faith, saying that he's REALLY a moderate, even though he doesn't seem that way. Didn't say anything about him not being opposed to civil unions, though, as far as I saw when skimming it.

[shawmut]

26. here

http://www.nytimes.com/2004/10/26/politics/campaign/26gay.html?oref=login

[Bossy Monkey]

5. This should be the link

http://www.nytimes.com/2004/10/26/politics/campaign/26gay.html
You have to register though.

[Guaranteed]

7. No need to register, just use

demunderground demunderground

[calimary]

39. I've lost count of how many sides of his mouth he talks out of.

Holy smokes - now he thinks his republi-CON party is wrong to oppose gay civil unions? Do the fundies know about this?

[Hello_Kitty]

6. Mmkay...... But his party WASN'T wrong

When opposing gay civil unions was part of their PLATFORM at their CONVENTION?!?! I mean, wasn't it? At least that's what I remember.

[Guaranteed]

10. How the hell can he say that, and then also say

that he supports a Constitutional amendment banning any kind of recognition of gay couples?

[LynnTheDem]

8. Quite the FLIP FLOP huh.

Hilarious.

[LittleClarkie]

45. Flip Flop my fanny! He's spinning so fast

You could use him for a ceiling fan. Hey Bush, summer's over, turn yourself off now.

[terrya]

9. BULLSHIT! This is the most despicable, nauseating, insincere pandering...

I've ever seen in an election. Yesterday, this story was posted here at GD2004. And yes, it's true.

George W. Bush has consistently opposed every single issue gay men and lesbians have cared about...from hate crimes legislation to the Employment Non-Discrimination Act (ENDA) to gay and lesbian couples having the right to adopt, to civil unions and gay marriage. He is an enemy, frankly, of the gay community. And SUDDENLY, one week before the election, he sees the light??? BULLSHIT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

If anyone buys into this bullshit, then they're fucking stupid. Simple as that.

Oh, BTW: George W. Bush still supports the anti-gay Federal Marriage Amendment. You know, that hateful piece of shit that would permanently relegate gay people like myself into second class citizenship. Just a reminder, people.

[6th Borough]

11. Ooooooooohhh! Can't way to see how this plays out with his base! /EOM

[Liberal Veteran]

12. Good...then put your money where your mouth is....

...by putting a bill before congress to grant civil unions to gay couples with all the same rights as marriage and urge it's passing in a joint session of congress and I'll believe you (maybe).

[slor]

13. Rejoice my friends!!

It is so clear that these sort of stunts will backfire...why do some get mad when they shoot themselves in the foot, and begin to reload? Help them dammit, and hand them another clip!

[IronLionZion]

14. Silly Democrats

See Bush is a kind compassionate conservative. He wouldn't be trying to write discrimination into the constitution or anything now. :P

He's getting really desperate now. people are not going to forget about his little amendment.

[sonicx]

15. he's for civil unions like he's for the assault weapons ban

say it out loud to pander, but do nothing.

[secular_warrior]

16. He probably knows he's in trouble.

but it's too late to move to the center, IMO.

Guess Karl's strategy of pandering to the far right reactionaries in the base failed. :dunce:

[Bossy Monkey]

17. The FR thread just started

Can't guarantee there will be fireworks on it or anything, but for the first time ever I went over to Free Republic with a grin on my face and a song in my heart:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1257188/posts

If this was the Charlie Gibson interview from yesterday, I'd assume they would have flogged the story pretty thoroughly already. I'll see what I can turn up and add it on edit.

[nonconformist]

19. Hilarious! I sense an upcoming meltdown. nt

[billybob537]

18. This is a sign

of things to come. A man of low character will say anything to get what he wants. If it weren't for lies he'd have nothing.

[helpisontheway]

20. He better watch it

some of his Evangelicals might not show up at the polls again. Equal rights for gays <GASP> they would stay home for sure. If gays are stupid enough to believe that shit after he tried to discriminate them in the U.S. constitution then they get what they deserve. Now those log cabin republicans might fall for it but I don't think the gay community in general will fall for it.

[gardenia]

21. Should We Spread This or Keep It Quiet?

Can't decide if he'd lose more votes with it out or not. What do you think?

[bunkerbuster1]

23. Spread it, but bracket with "Flip Flopper"

Cuts both ways, that way.

[newyawker99]

38. Hi gardenia!!

Welcome to DU!! :toast:

[troublemaker]

42. If possible spread it to Bush supporters, not to suburban women

But on balance it's better to spread than not. If everyone knew, it would cost Bush far more than it would help him.

[rndmprsn]

22. well then...whats THEIR LEADER doing about it...

not a fucking thing that what...he's no leader.

[Democrat 4 Ever]

25. Just remind everyone of the 2000 election - BushyBoy

promised to be a "passionate conservative" throughout the entire election cycle and then immediately headed for right wing hell the minute the vote was certified. He will say or do anything necessary to win this election and then go back to business as usual if he is re-selected. He can not be trusted with even the simplest of statements or tasks.

To quote a funny TV judge - "I wouldn't believe BoyGeorge and his Gang of Thugs (forever more, at least in my book, the GOP will be referred to as GOT) if his tongue came notarized!" The only thing BushCo has shown to be consistent in is his lies.

He is just speaking the lines that someone fed him. I have always said that I thought ol' Georgie reminded me of Howdy Dowdy. Put a dang kerchief around his neck, sprinkle a few freckles across his nose and you have got a wooden puppet with someone jerking his strings to make him dance.

[Catfight]

35. Exactly, if his mouth is moving, he's lying or reciting lies. n/t

[liveoaktx]

24. When he was governor of TX, he opposed civil unions for same sex

couples-HYPOCRITE

http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2004/02/20040224-5.html#2

Q Okay. On the matter of civil unions -- I don't want to get bogged down in the legalisms, if I could just draw a picture. What does the President believe should happen in this country, if the state of Vermont, Massachusetts, California, wherever, establishes the kind of domestic partnerships that he says he favors, and a same-sex couple then moves?

MR. McCLELLAN: Wait, I'm sorry, that he says he favors --

Q He says it should be up to the state, I'm sorry.

MR. McCLELLAN: Okay.

Q And then a same-sex couple moves from the state where their partnership is recognized, to Texas, to wherever -- should they have the same rights in the new state that their old state gave them?

MR. McCLELLAN: I think that, actually, the Defense of Marriage Act states that, one, for federal law, marriage is between a man and a woman. And then it goes on to state that states are not required to recognize relationships from other states that are "treated as" marriage. So that's what the Defense of Marriage spells out. And the President has strongly supported the Defense of Marriage Act.

Q Okay, so he doesn't think that same-sex couples should be able to move out of a state that recognizes their partnership into one --

MR. McCLELLAN: Well, again, it says "treated as" marriage, and he supports the Defense of Marriage Act, which addresses that issue.

Q Scott, can I have a rebuttal, since you mischaracterized my question?

MR. McCLELLAN: Hang on one second.

Q When the President says that the states should be free to pick legal arrangements other than marriage, does that include civil unions, specifically?

MR. McCLELLAN: Yes, states can make their own decisions with regard to legal arrangements. That would include hospital visitation rights, it would include insurance benefits, it would include civil unions -- we talked about this earlier. The President has made it very clear that he would not have supported it for the state of Texas.

Q Civil union?

MR. McCLELLAN: Right.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

27. Three Small Points....

1)I'm glad Bush has come around....


2) This has the potential of alienating his base and depressing turnout..

3) I have to believe there is an ulterior motive somewhere....


3)I realize point two and point three contradict each other......


What's going on?

[nonconformist]

28. What's going on? Pandering.

He'll still ban it if he can. This may actually be the way he feels, but the fundies are his harddcore base and want to be appeased every now and then.

Alternatively, what is really interesting is that if he "wins", he won't have to cater to them anymore because he won't need their vote. The fundies will then see how badly they've been duped.

[Catfight]

36. It is not the fundies he'll dupe, it'll be anyone who is not a fundie.nt

[Ilsa]

29. Bush always says he's a moderate when he's campaigning.

Then the first day in office he signs the most conservative anti-woman, anti-gay exec orders the RW can dream up. History is a better predictor than his campaign speeches.

He's getting desperate to appeal to moderates. That's got to be it.

ON EDIT:

I just spoke with a friend here in Texas with a great memory for historical speculation. He said the gay issue may be more personal to the Bush family as a whole. Perhaps they know some very prominent and wealthy gays, and that they have developed a sensitivity for the issue as a "non-issue".

Bush only would have started the marriage amendment fiasco to shore up his base, knowing it wouldn't pass.

So then the question becomes, which side of George does anyone believe?

[Catfight]

37. Contridictory Rice has all the signs of being a lesbian. n/t

[Renew Deal]

30. The religous nuts will love this.

[Skidmore]

31. I thought he was all for protecting marriage and that we needed

an amendment to do just that. This guy is so transparent and always had been. I don't understand the mentality of those who think that hes truthful and moral.

[nonconformist]

32. This is what we need to do - we have to get this out to the right groups

Christians and blacks especially. Point out that Kerry and Bush have the SAME position on gay marriage and civil unions. This might help us with the black voters we've lost due to THIS issue. This needs to be spread around all day long.

[endnote]

33. Kerry should use this...

[peekaloo]

34. Gee whiz Gee-orge, I guess you'll say anything to get elected.

[Clinton Crusader]

40. Just add one more to the many faces of george....

What an effin' hypocrite! Isnt this the same asswipe that was gonna change the Constitution??

edit-typo

:kick:

[Viking12]

41. Flip-flop (evidence inside)

The proposed Constitutional Amendment reads:

"SECTION 1. Marriage in the United States shall consist only of the union of a man and a woman. Neither this Constitution or the constitution of any State, nor state or federal law, shall be construed to require that marital status or the legal incidents thereof be conferred upon unmarried couples or groups."

Bush said of the failed bill that he was "deeply disappointed that the effort to pass a constitutional amendment affirming the sanctity of marriage as being between a man and woman was temporarily blocked." (The Boston Globe, July 15, 2004)

[Oreo]

43. Maybe we can use the spreadsheets

from the georgebush.org site to email all the church people of this new revelation

[grace0418]

44. You have got to be kidding. Un-fucking-believable.

What a fucking asshole. Why does anyone buy an ounce of this shit?