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Nicholas_J Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-04 02:41 PM
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News From The Florida Front.: Early Voteing =Pissed Republicans
Coming back from early voting and rounds of the polling places.

Republicans have far less organization in Duval County. Thei poll watchers failing in atempts to challenge Democratic Voters.

Republicans have no programs set up to drve voters to polling locations. Attempts to prevent Democrats from picking up vters and taking them to the polling places have completely failed.

Republicans have no party members standing outside of the polling places. Republicans at polling places attempted to have democrats located outside of the polling places removed, and legal teams came in an enforced the fifty foot rule, which allowd parties to have people with signs and people to answer questions at the poling places as long as they are at least fifty feet from the polling place.

Republicans attempt to prevent Democratic poll workers from helping Democratic voters understand the ballot, and prevent them from answering questions about various amendments. Republicans were all complaining that Democrats were MORE THAN HELPING Democtatic voters vote. The legal teams again, rebuffed and overturned Republican complaints.

Democratic poll workers were advising as many Democratic voters to not do provisional ballots ifthey were not on the lists, and check their polling places for them to let them know exactly where they should vote on election day. Democratic voters who were not on the lists were advised as to why the should not do the provisional ballot, and allsoi far have decided not to risk having their votes not counted if they voted provisionally. Plans were made to arrange rides for those who needed to get to their polling places on election day in order to avoid provisional voting.

All of the provisional votes at the early polling place I voted at were Republican votes.

Finally Republican challenging of Democratic voters was limited to looking at the voters I.D. and ajkking them to repeat their address that was on the I.D. while they were looking at it to make sure that the addres on the I.D. was the same as the address that the person gave them verbally.

All indications were that Democrats are coming out in higher numbers than Republicans for early voting.

For a more personal observation, the REpulibans were sitting with their arms crossed tightly crossed over their chests, legs tightly
crossed. Lips pressed into tight frowned.

From all personal observations, even in this highly REpublican county, it looks like the race is running tighter than expected.

When I finished voting, I waited for my girlfreind to finish, but I sat with the Republican poll wattchers and listened to them steming and complaining about all of the thigs Democrats were doing to get out the vote, and assist Democrats get to the polling places, and avoid doing anything that would prevent their votes from being counted.

Things in Florida look good. We are catching every Republican attempt to disenfranchise voters, preventing them from getting votes thrown out. The Jacksonville memo indicating Republican have a list of voters they are going to try to challend\ge after the election was caught. Duval was the primary area in which Republicans eliminated votes in 2000. This list of voters that they are going to try to use after theeletion seems to be the same list of people that the Supervisor of Elections tried to keep from registering in the first place, and whihc the coiurts already ordered to allow to be registered. REpukes are trying to use a techinicality that the court already threw out.

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sandersadu Donating Member (213 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-04 02:45 PM
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1. 866-OUR-VOTE
It's good that you're discouraging PROVISIONAL BALLOTS, AS MOST OF THEM WON'T COUNT.

If you guys have other problems in Florida, call 866-OUR-VOTE.

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XanaDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-04 05:11 PM
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29. Yes, but
LOTS of republican provisional ballots, which is just fine. ;)
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Gaffey Duck Donating Member (274 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-04 02:45 PM
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2. lol
Aren't the Repukes constantly bragging about the superiority of their GOTV machine?

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gratuitous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-04 02:55 PM
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13. Yep, and it was mostly true, in a way
Republicans have been, for the last several election cycles, very good at getting their people out to vote. I suspect that they will do a similarly superior job of it this time.

The major difference is in the Republicans' voter suppression efforts. The Republicans have seized command of government with a mere 20-25% of the electorate, and they realize that that is about the maximum they can hope for. So their efforts have been two-pronged: Get their own people to the polls, and discourage others from voting.

Toward the latter end, they have repeated endlessly a bunch of effective canards: Your vote won't matter; the Republicans are unstoppable; politics is too confusing; politics is boring; and on and on. All designed to increase apathy, or to make people so disgusted with the system that they sit out an election.

Unfortunately for their purposes, a lot of people have been energized and activated this year. People have been registering to vote in huge numbers, and Democrats have been working on get out the vote efforts without regard to who is going to the poll. In the past, Democrats tried to adopt Republican methods of identifying just their own voters, and encouraging them to vote. The Republicans are a lot better at finding their diamonds in the rough.

Instead, the Democrats have been getting as many folks as possible registered, and generating interest in voting in ways that haven't been seen for many years. And it's a winning strategy. Yes, you may energize 10,000 more Republican voters. But in so doing, you'll also turn out 13,000 Democratic voters. Do that two or three or four times, and a dead-heat squeaker of a race turns into a 6,000 to 10,000 vote "landslide."
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almostallhere Donating Member (124 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-04 02:45 PM
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3. thanks so much for the report.
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hippiegranny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-04 02:46 PM
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4. GREAT report
thank you for your thorough analysis of the FL situation.
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XanaDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-04 02:46 PM
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5. And those Repukes were M-A-D
It does a body good!
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BOSSHOG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-04 02:48 PM
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6. Gosh; free elections in a free country
If I were a republican I'd be pissed too.
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dryan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-04 02:48 PM
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7. Ditto....
in Orlando!
Orange Democrats even had some candidates at early polling places on Saturday greeting voters and handing out palm cards. I was very surprised that there was no GOP out.
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NewYorkerfromMass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-04 02:49 PM
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8. Nothing like a happy Nicholas_J
and a happy Kerry camp! :)
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cthrumatrix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-04 02:50 PM
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9. get more support for election day.... outstanding effort!
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XanaDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-04 02:50 PM
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10. Their attempts seem to be being rebuffed at every turn
It seems that all their poll workers have attmepted to do was engage in intimidation to get the democrats assiting voters to stop, but the legal teams are on top of it instantly.


Bus, after Bus, Van after van of democratic voters rolled up to the polling places, dropping people off, picking them up and taking them home. It was amazing watching the organization of the Democrats, and even more gratifying watching the Republicans stomp off steaming after effort after effort failed.
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klook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-04 02:54 PM
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11. Fantastic news
Thanks for this report from the front lines. Very encouraging!
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Patiod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-04 02:54 PM
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12. This made my day!
:yourock:
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seafan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-04 03:08 PM
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14. Mike McCurry on AAR this am said that voters should keep walking
right past the GOP operatives trying to intimidate them and that the voters are NOT required to respond to their tactics.


Great report Nicholas_J!
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T Roosevelt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-04 03:09 PM
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15. How many early polling places are in Duval?
I had heard one downtown, and that was it. Also, how has the turnout been as far as numbers, wait times, and compared to last election?
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XanaDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-04 03:26 PM
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18. Our court case against Supervisor of Election Stafford
Let to them having to open an additional FOUR early polling places, led to overturning Staffords attempt to deny over a thousand voters the right to vote based on a technicality in filling out the forms.
The forms had requirements to sign redundant information on the, For example, there were two separate places where you had to attest to the fact you were a U.S. citizen, and some people only signed in one place, thinking that if they singed inon place, that was O.K. Staffor tried to deny these voters the right to vote, and the Democratic attorneys sued, and Stafford lost.

This resulted in Stafford retiring, but the fact is that he was forced out. He earlier states that he would NOT allow anyone to contest his decisions, and having been caught at sdeveral early attempt to disenfranchise voters, he retired. There are hints that there was a lot more Republican attempts to disenfranchise voters by Stafford that were caught and he was given the chance to resign rather than face a trial by media before the election.

Among the things they caught were the memos released today indicating Republicans having a list of black votersthey were going to hold onto and use after the election to alter the vote if necessary. These were either the same voters that they attempted to disenfranchise, or a list of others they were going to try toget thrown out after the election form the same technicality if Bush loses the state.

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Robbien Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-04 03:14 PM
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16. Alternet said the GOP organization has a "72-hour plan"
Your report is great and hopefully everyone is still in place during Rove's 72 hour blitz.

http://www.alternet.org/election04/20295/
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Renew Deal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-04 03:24 PM
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17. Are you going to be able to keep the advantage
On election day? Are the pukes going to reorganize? Will that matter?
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Nicholas_J Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-04 04:59 PM
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27. The Republicans seem to have no real GOTV organization at all
No Republicans outside of any of the five early polling places, no drivers set up to take voters to the polling places, not many poll workers at the polling places to assist voters who have questions. The racial divide awe astounding, a bunck of old and late middle aged pollwatchers sitting on chairs grumbling to themselves. They werebitching about the democrats who were driving all of the vans deleivering peple to the polling places, bitcvhing about the democrats with signs and buttons and informations fifty feet outside of the polling places, bitchiing about the poll workers assisting democrats who were confused about the various amendments and the forms themselves. The only things that have happend was that the Repukes were trying to prevent the drivers from delivering voters, and getting told that they could not stop that, trying to get the democrats outside the polling places removed from the fromt of the buildings, and even mesuring the distance they were stading from the building, and then being told by the democrat attorneys that is was perfectly legal, then calling their own attorneys that it was perfectly legal , and then grumbling more, and then trying to prevent democratic poll workers from helping voters who were having problems viting to vote, and then grumbling more when they could not prevent the democratic poll workers from xplaining the various stuff on the ballots, anf\d helping them vote. Even helping voters who did not understand something, initially voting the wronfg way, explaining each item and then helping them vote, and makking sure that the optical scanners actiall;y DID register their votes, so there will be very little votes from people who voted FOR somethiing they actually opposed because of the wording. Every attempt to intimidate voters is being blocked before they can accomplish it. Yse, I think we have not even seen the democratic advantage peak yet at this point.

In a review of voting in 8 of the heaviest Republican Counties, as of today, the results we are getting show that so far Democrats are coming out in percentages that exceed the actual percentages of regitered voters in those counties so far, whole Republicans are coming out in percentages much less than the percentages of their registered voters. In all eight counties, the percentage of registered Democrats runs between a little above 30 percent to a little below 32 percent, yet the Democratic portion of the early vote in those areas is running anywhere from 40 to 44 percent of the total of all the early votein in those heavily Republican counties. So far, every day, the pattern of Democrats voting more than Republicans is staying solid. There are about 360,000 more Democrats in FLorida than Republicans. With the figures running as they are running, it appears that a larger percentage of the total of registered Democrats are voting than the total percentage of Registered Democrats,So right now it appears that we will get more registered Democrats voting out of their total numbers than registeredRepublicans. More than that, the number of voters coming out to vote eatly seems to be twice that of the early vote in 2000.
Everything so far indicates that democrats have done a far better job convincing members of their party to not stay home but to get out and vote. From what i see so far, I beleieve that a much larger percentage of registeredDemocrats will come out and vote than Republicans. It l;ooks likevwe will see far less voter apathy overall, and this year may make the record for the percentages of voters voting this year, rather than choosing not to vote. It also looks like Democrats are doing much better. The numbers do not seem to be lagging. I really anticipate that democrats will come out in larger numbers than Republicans and I also think that this will be even more true on election day. In Florida every vote counts, and this year they will al be counted.I think the trend will hold

The figures around the country indicate that Flirida is no exception and that almost twice the percentage of voters are coming out early to vote this year than they did in 2000 and 2002.

Lets put it this way, the Democratic advantage in the early voting is so noticeable that Limbaugh is claiming that on election day, Republicans will be out in force and reverse this trend. But REpublicans have also been telling their voters to get out and vote early.Eityher theyare not listening to their party leadership, or they are not voting. Again every day, the percentages remain firm with roughly 25 percent more democrats showing up votingearly than Republicans, in counties where Republicans have an almost two to one advantage.

Yes, I think that the situation will not reverese and I belive we will hod that advantage. If only 50 percent of Demcrats and 50 percent of Republicans turn out, and the percentage of cross party voters remain the same as polls indicate, we will still have over 100,000 more voters in Florida voting Democrat than Republican. Indications are that in both parties, the percentage of registered voters who come out this year will be the highest in decades. But since every day so far, since the early voting started, the trend of Democrats coming out in higher numbers than usual is holding at about the same percentage, while Republicans are not coming out in has high numbers as the registered number of Republicans would indicate. They are coming out in the early vote in lower percentages than they have in the past. They may come out in big numbers on election day, but since Democrats have come out in higher numbers early, and there is every indication that this will continue on election day, there is every indication that Democrats will come out in higher numbers overall than Republicans have.
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Mayberry Machiavelli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-04 05:14 PM
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30. So were all these articles about the GOP's vaunted "unprecedented"
grass roots GOTV effort etc. all smoke? Or were they saving that, and the bulk of their fraud, just for OH?

Or do they just assume that all Repubs have money and have cars and don't need rides to the polls? I mean, what's up? :shrug:

This news makes me happy though...
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Renew Deal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-04 08:57 PM
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32. Thanks!
I hope we can do it. I will be protecting voters in Miami and I can't wait.
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Dawgs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-04 03:29 PM
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19. My Dad has a job that has him driving all around Sarasota...
He apparantely saw many organized Kerry supporters on different street corners asking people to honk if they were for Kerry. He said everywhere he saw one of these people were honking like crazy.

I don't think he saw any Republicans doing anything like this.
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hlthe2b Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-04 03:38 PM
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20. I'll be damned if I'd let some Freeper look at my id and address.....
I'd tell him to pack his ass up and check with the poll worker to see if my id matched my address, but that I'd sue his ass if he lunged for my id or physically tried to impede me from voting. They do not have the right to your confidential information--period.
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lasttrip Donating Member (488 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-04 03:45 PM
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21. excellent report. good news. thanx. nt
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crissy71 Donating Member (311 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-04 03:53 PM
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22. thank you for that
put a smile on my face and made my day
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RinaJ Donating Member (134 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-04 03:59 PM
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23. Thanks for the report!
I live in Duval (Jacksonville, FL) and plan to try to get my vote in this week, along with my mother, father, and brother.
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DeepModem Mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-04 04:08 PM
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24. God bless our lawyers, and the organizational effort...
that got them on site there in Florida. Thanks for a great report --
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ArnoldLayne Donating Member (871 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-04 04:12 PM
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25. They better not ask me for my ID or address I'll say I got your
ID hanging right here in the form of a 7 inch Italian sausage. Then we can step outside if they proceed to question me any more. :crazy:
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mcar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-04 04:31 PM
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26. This makes me feel much better about our state
Thanks for this report.
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XanaDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-04 05:09 PM
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28. Kick.
'Cause mad-and-worried republicans in Florida is a good thing. Hee, hee.
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Xenus Sister Donating Member (354 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-04 06:13 PM
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31. A weight has been lifted off my shoulders! Thank you thank you thank you!
I've been so worried about Florida, but your reports have made me ecstatic! All of it, but especially the part about legal teams heading off any shenaigans. That's wonderful!

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