Here is how they cheated by E-machines votes PAY ATTENION

[AnIndependentTexan]

I posted stuff in this thread

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=1314823&mesg_id=1318083

I'm going to try to put it all together.

First we started to notice the numbers from this website

http://ustogether.org/Florida_Election.htm

This is where everything started to get a little fishy. My data is coming from Kerry/Edwards online forum. They were watching the same numbers as we were. Here is one Big clue that someone noticed.

e-machine

reg rep: 2,050,619
exp turnout for reg rep: 1,435,385
reg rep who voted: 1,845,876
% turnout: 90%

reg dem: 2,280,374
exp turnout for reg dem: 1,567,297
reg dem who voted: 1,982,210
% turnout: 86.9%


optical scanning:

reg rep: 1,841,873
exp turnout for reg rep: 1,428,220
reg rep who voted: 1,950,213
% turnout: 105.88%

reg dem: 1,980,875
exp turnout for reg dem: 1,503,404
reg dem who voted: 1,445,675
% turnout: 72.98%
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What the bold means is they f'cked up big time. Optical machines are also made by diebold. How is 105.88% even a possible number for a turnout?

Clues that we were cheated by diebold and they rigged it.

98% of registered republicans have voted. That is without absentees. This isn't hard evidence but it does point out a loophole of why they didn't want the absentees to be counted. If it turns out they have over 100% with absentee votes then that is clear proof that Republicans cheated.

Second optiscan totals are important to pay attention too.
The Diebold totals at the top of the page look OK, but on the optiscan results in county after county Republicans supposedly showed up in numbers that are 2, 3, 4 times the number of registered Republicans living in the county (predominantly Dem counties) while Dem turnout was down. How could you expect a 77% turnout in a predominantly Dem county (7-1 Dem over Rep) and yet have Bush win that county by 8-1?

[Robert Oak]

1. WOW, but shouldn't an optical scanner have paper ballots? n/t

[ContinentalOp]

2. That means there can be a recount right? -nt-

[glitch]

15. Sure - if someone asks for one.

Paper ballots with optical scan aren't a bad way to go with random testing against handcounts. Course you still have the central counting machine hurdle to pass.

[ContinentalOp]

19. May I have a recount please? :) -nt-

[meow2u3]

21. Could the Repuke votes have been counted more than once?

All the elections supervisor has to do is run some ballots with Bush votes more than once, and -- voila!-- you have a fraudulently inflated total for the chimp. This could explain the 105% Republican voter turnout.

[Walt Starr]

3. Samples do not populations make

Sorry, you are never going to convince anyboy that a smaple is a 100% foolproof representation of an entire population. Statisticians understand this.

We got our asses kicked. We had better face up to that reality and figure out how to do this right, or we will end up with a Republican Party that has the power to amend the constitution at will.

[SomthingsGotaGive]

8. Whats your rush to move on....

Yes you got your ass kicked but.....

THE MUGGER IS STILL IN THE PARKING LOT
YOU CAN STILL CATCH HIM


Why won't people here allow the investigators time to check the crime scene for clues and evidence.


You are just getting in the way.

Whats the rush.

The thief is laughing at you helping him get away.


Also would someone with enough posts please start a thread called

"WHAT'S THE RUSH...WHY MOVE ON BEFORE WE INVESTIGATE"

[glitch]

17. Interesting ain't it? Same as in 2000 and it's only Nov 4. Two fn days nt

[LisaL]

9. But it says

"registered" republicans who voted.
How in the world can there be more registered republicans who voted than there are actually reigistered republicans? Hah?
It's ain't a sample.

[psunitlions1]

4. changed votes is the answer

not extra votes

if again if both parties are even but a 1000 votes are switched then one is ahead by 2000

[brisker]

5. How can the Democratic Party ever hope to win

without anticipating stuff like this?

It's unpleasant, but folks have been chattering for months here about how "the Repugs will try to steal this election".

Would someone please explain to this newbie why so little was done to counter this obvious threat?

[rockydem]

7. many have tried to do things

the party isn't interested in it...

I have doubts that the pugs have done it, or will do it...but it is a possibility that must be entertained.

[brisker]

10. It seems like everyone here is CONVINCED

that the election was stolen.

Bold of you to consider the minority view. From what I've seen in a month or two of quasi-lurking, minority views get hammered pretty hard.

[rockydem]

12. I don't think most are convinced

Some are, but even the doubtful like myself must consider the possiblity, it's important to look into this, it protects the democratic process if nothing else.

There is some evidence that is worth looking into IMO.

[brisker]

14. Well said.

It's easy for a n00b like me to see only the more...enthusiastic points.

[rockydem]

16. I have just straight up ignored most of the threads on this issue

A lot of the evidence posted about this was either weak or nonexistent. But there have been some 'irregularities' noted that caught my eye.

Then there is that mysterious Atrios post in the last hour.

[AnIndependentTexan]

30. DON'T LISTEN TO PEOPLE WHO TELL YOU TO IGNORE IT

Read this all DU forum members and start paying attention


Colonel Richard Prouty, a very famous insider in the CIA during the sixties, and a strong proponent of the Kennedy assassination conspiracy theories, has this to say about conspiracies:

"Conspiracies are easy to formulate and execute. It is the cover-up that is hard."

www.prouty.org

Coverups all have a certain smell to them. I can smell this one a mile away. One particulary smelly aspect of any coverup is the "media blitz" planned a long time before the conspiracy happens. This is what we are seeing in effect yesterday and today about the election.

This his how Prouty knew there was a conspiracy in the Kennedy assassination. He saw huge full-blown press releases on Oswald, detailing Oswald's life, appearing in the New Zealand press when Oswald had been in police custody for only a couple of hours. This information could have only come from the US National Security organizations, and would have never been given to the press otherwise. Instead, what was given to the press was full-blown, already written articles about Oswald. Prouty recognized the fashion, style, and "smell" of the articles as being a CIA black op. He knew -- he was involved in black ops himself.

What we have seen in the last two days are a series of press releases already prepared long in advance. One of the most damning press releases is the one asking "Why are exit polls so wrong?" This article says that people started getting suspicious that exit polls were wrong when they were so off in the Florida 2000 election! This is SO ABSURD, because the exit polls were right on the money in the Florida 2000 election. As with 2004, the exit polls were off because the voting count was tampered with.

Another blatant coverup example that was CAUGHT was CNN changing their exit poll predicitons on the web for Ohio. They switched their exit poll results at 1:00 AM on Wednesday morning from showing a 2% Kerry lead in Ohio to a 1% Bush lead in Ohio. THESE WERE NOT ELECTION RESULTS, they were exit polls. You can't switch exit polls results, unless you were to take a new exit poll, which is impossible to do after the election is over. CNN did it. They are lying to us.

Another coverup we are experiencing right here in this forum is the instant flooding of the forum by freepers trying to dampen, smash down, or just deflect any discussion of the voter fraud. A lot of these posts are pretty outrageous, but a lot are very mild -- such as "we need to just accept this and move on". Now I know that a lot of regular forum members are saying this too, but the number of NEW members saying this is off the charts.

The coverup is in effect. You can smell it everywhere.

[Eloriel]

56. Maybe it's because some of us have spent about 2 years

(and some of us MORE) studying and working on this issue of BBV. Some of us have also paid a lot of attention to the vigorous, creative and near omnipresent vote suppression techniques used by the OTHER side, and some of us also have grokked the fact that they didn't steal the first election just to roll over on this one.

We might be a little more tolerant of "the minority view" if "the minority view" could hold a single drop of water.

Educate yourself. NOW.

[OneTwentyoNine]

24. Because their wusses that don't want to rock the boat....

Hell,do a search and find that GD GAMBLING machines have stricter control over them that fucking VOTING machines.

Yeah hell,I'd hate to see someone get screwed on a video poker machine....

David

[SoCal]

6. Provisional Ballots Maybe??

I know they mentioned on tv that there was over 100% turnout in a few places due to provisional ballots.

[LisaL]

11. Please!

How can there be more registered republicans who voted than there are actually registered republicans? It's obvious it doesn't add up.

[Mayberry Machiavelli]

43. It LITERALLY doesn't "ADD UP", does it now?

[info being]

13. If our leadership isn't behind us here its no use.

Let's hope they are, though.

[NewYorkerfromMass]

18. If some Reps voted twice due to spoiled ballots

would they be counted twice?

[AnIndependentTexan]

20. Stock symbol of Diebold - DBD and history [maybe Tom Delay connection]

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=1319721#1319974

[AnIndependentTexan]

31. WE HAVE RECORDS LINKING THE REPUBLICAN NATIONAL COMMETTE TO THIS

[Stagger lee]

22. Can you run the same tables

for florida including the 2000 and 1996 elections to disprove what Scarborough said on MSNBC. He mentioned that there are a lot of old school Democrats registered in Florida who constantly vote Republican but refuse to change their partyID's...

[Stagger lee]

23. a similar table of ohio

would be a clincher.

[sherilocks]

50. Scarborough is correct

I used to live in the Florida Panhandle. Local races are often won by Democrats, but they vote Republican in national elections. They will also vote for the home boy, Democrat Alan Boyd, but not for JK/JE. That's just the way it is.

I think you are looking in the wrong place. I was more struck by the lower turn-out in Broward and Palm Beach County. These two counties usually lead the state in turn-out. In the optical scan counties they are reporting upwards of 80% turn-out.

I can't find the exact turn-out for Palm Beach and Broward, but I think it was in the 60 percentile. Don't compare by numbers, but by percentages.

[kerry-is-my-prez]

25. Does anybody have the exit poll numbers by county? or a link to it?

n/t

[kerry-is-my-prez]

26. Are you sure these registration numbers are correct?

It seems almost hard to believe....

[m berst]

27. keep going

Step by step just keep patiently putting this in front of people. There is a lot of denial going on here, and people are burned out on "conspiracy theories." Has it occured to anyone that the Republicans have been behind the most outlandish conspiracy theories around here for the purpose of creating a smokescreen and discrediting ALL suspicion of the Bush adminstration? The evidence is clear that there were a lot of irregularities. That doesn't "prove" any tinfoil theory. But it will lead to bringing the whole corrupt house of cards crashing down.

One step at a time. Don't make outlandish charges, that isn't needed. Just keep pushing for investigations. Where there is smoke there is fire, and we are seeing a ton of smoke. Forget about Kerry for now people, this is democracy at stake here.

If you have any Republican friends who are decent and honest people, show them the evidence too. This is not a partisan issue, and partisanship can make it more difficult for people to get to the truth. If we Democrats don't challenge this election - for the sake of the country not for the sake of Kerry's campaign - then the Republicans will some day, but after how many deaths and at what cost to the future of the Democratic party?

[AnIndependentTexan]

28. Read this all DU forum members and start paying attention

Colonel Richard Prouty, a very famous insider in the CIA during the sixties, and a strong proponent of the Kennedy assassination conspiracy theories, has this to say about conspiracies:

"Conspiracies are easy to formulate and execute. It is the cover-up that is hard."

www.prouty.org

Coverups all have a certain smell to them. I can smell this one a mile away. One particulary smelly aspect of any coverup is the "media blitz" planned a long time before the conspiracy happens. This is what we are seeing in effect yesterday and today about the election.

This his how Prouty knew there was a conspiracy in the Kennedy assassination. He saw huge full-blown press releases on Oswald, detailing Oswald's life, appearing in the New Zealand press when Oswald had been in police custody for only a couple of hours. This information could have only come from the US National Security organizations, and would have never been given to the press otherwise. Instead, what was given to the press was full-blown, already written articles about Oswald. Prouty recognized the fashion, style, and "smell" of the articles as being a CIA black op. He knew -- he was involved in black ops himself.

What we have seen in the last two days are a series of press releases already prepared long in advance. One of the most damning press releases is the one asking "Why are exit polls so wrong?" This article says that people started getting suspicious that exit polls were wrong when they were so off in the Florida 2000 election! This is SO ABSURD, because the exit polls were right on the money in the Florida 2000 election. As with 2004, the exit polls were off because the voting count was tampered with.

Another blatant coverup example that was CAUGHT was CNN changing their exit poll predicitons on the web for Ohio. They switched their exit poll results at 1:00 AM on Wednesday morning from showing a 2% Kerry lead in Ohio to a 1% Bush lead in Ohio. THESE WERE NOT ELECTION RESULTS, they were exit polls. You can't switch exit polls results, unless you were to take a new exit poll, which is impossible to do after the election is over. CNN did it. They are lying to us.

Another coverup we are experiencing right here in this forum is the instant flooding of the forum by freepers trying to dampen, smash down, or just deflect any discussion of the voter fraud. A lot of these posts are pretty outrageous, but a lot are very mild -- such as "we need to just accept this and move on". Now I know that a lot of regular forum members are saying this too, but the number of NEW members saying this is off the charts.

The coverup is in effect. You can smell it everywhere.

[AnIndependentTexan]

29. Here is even more reason why you should look into all of this

Now you tell me if you are pissed after reading these words. They stole this election and they could careless about uniting any of us. PAY ATTENTION AND PAY ATTENTION NOW.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uslatest/story/0...4596700,00.html

SACRAMENTO, Calif. (AP) - Two days after the Democrats took at drubbing at the polls across the country, Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger referred to leaders of the state's majority party as ``losers.''

At a Thursday news conference, the Republican governor who branded Democrats ``girlie men'' during a budget fight last year was asked whether he would listen to tax-increase proposals from Senate President Pro Tem Don Perata or other Democratic leaders.

``Why would I listen to losers?'' Schwarzenegger asked. ``Let's be honest.''

[Habibi]

32. Okay. Help me out here.

What can an ordinary citizen do about this? What do you think is the best action I can take? I'm not a lawyer, a journalist, or a party operative. How can I help move an investigation forward?

And for what it's worth, I don't give a flying fuck about being called a sore loser. :D

[AnIndependentTexan]

33. We need Skinner to put up something about the information

SKINNER OH SKINNER IF YOU ARE OUT THERE AND LISTENING PLEASE let us dump this information with you

[Habibi]

37. It would help to have the data gathered in one place, for sure.

Maybe just concentrate on Ohio and Florida, and, to be "fair and balanced" and not totally partisan, perhaps a swing state that went blue?

[OneTwentyoNine]

35. CNN changing exit poll numbers....

I hope to SHIT someone got a screen capture of before and after. If the search function was up and working you could find a message that I posted around 10:00 pm on election night wondering how in the hell the exit poll numbers in Ohio on CNN could be so damn different than the results.

I also mentioned that the exit poll was on nearly TWO THOUSAND people,if that amount doesn't give a pretty accurate picture of what the results would be then what the HELL would.

David

[AnIndependentTexan]

36. we had post here at the DU on it

[BeFree]

40. I got the before and after as captured by Earl(?)

Pretty fucking damning, If I say so myself.

What can anyone do? Well, if you live in florida, go to the Supervisor of Election offices in as many counties as you can and get paper copies of the 2000 official report and the 2004 unofficial reports. We have at least 11 days before the election is official.

When you see the discrepancies, call the local rag and tell 'em what you found. Stay tuned to DU for more.

[m berst]

34. kick

:kick:

[m berst]

38. kick

Please help to keep these serious thrads kicked, and iognore all of the f-word threads. They serve no purpose and are looking a little contrived and artificial at this point don't you think?

The mission was always first and foremost to save our democracy from a group of ruthless people who are trying to steal it, and electing Dems to office was a means to that end.

[Voltaire]

39. Kick again

Because we must be the ones to salvage this thing. I am so ready for this.

[VTHoosierPatriot]

41. Skull & Bones

What you thought they ever counted the votes?

[m berst]

42. thanks

That eliminates the s&b angle for any serious consideration once and for all.

Everybody see the misdirection? This was good old fashioned Chicago machine style vote theft. No mysteries, no tin foil.

[AnIndependentTexan]

44. rebumping this up as well

[writes2000]

45. 11,000 Votes Added To Bush's Tally In NC - E-Voting "Error"

http://www.newbernsj.com/SiteProcessor.cfm?Template=/GlobalTemplates/Details.cfm&StoryID=18297&Section=Local

[Willy Lee]

49. We need those lawyers now

[Kittycat]

46. So are they - or are they not going to count the absentee ballots? eom

[tarheel_voter]

47. If it can happen in NC it can happen in Florida

Interesting link... Not only did they double count some votes by accident... NC lost votes in one county... http://www.newbernsj.com/SiteProcessor.cfm?Template=/GlobalTemplates/Details.cfm&StoryID=18297&Section=Local


<Snip>

A systems software glitch in Craven County North Carolina's electronic voting equipment is being blamed for a vote miscount that, when corrected, changed the outcome of at least one race in Tuesday's election.

Then, in the rush to make right the miscalculation that swelled the number of votes for president here by 11,283 more votes than the total number cast, a human mistake further delayed accurate totals for the 40,534 who voted.

<Snip>

Election difficulties also were reported in a number of other North Carolina counties, including nearby Carteret, where 4,530 early votes were irretrievably lost.

[AnIndependentTexan]

48. PLEASE KEEP THIS BUMPED UP

[MassLiberal]

51. kick n/t

[AnIndependentTexan]

52. PLEASE SEND THIS TO AIR AMERICA

[pa28]

53. They stole Florida and the election . . . again.

Not a word in the state run media. If our leaders can't grow a backbone and demand accountability now this party needs to be scrapped.

[Karenina]

54. The PEOPLE

must lead this one. Y'all been getting steam-rollered by the *media, corrupt corporations, your "leaders" and nutcases with fascist agendas.
Hoodwinked yet again!!!

How can 59 million people be so DUMB? See Nov. 4.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/frontpages/

[retread]

55. How do you measure a registered dem vote vs a registered repug vote?