ROVEBOLD Machine stole America!

[goclark]

Rove and his little elves were busy as bees.
While all but Bev and a few were awake, we were asleep.
We believed they would not be BOLD enough to ever steal an election again.

Why would we believe that, it worked for 4 years and not one of them was ever sent to jail or punished in any way that I know of.

I am reminded of an article I read, believe it was in Vanity Fair in their Nov.2004( if you can find the article I would appreciate it) Issue... It discussed Karl Rove. I can't get the main idea from the statement out of my mind.

The article was saying that Rove did not have to tell any of his operatives what to do, they just know from years of doing under cover work for the Republican party. So there are no fingerprints as such to tie Rove/ Bush to the deed.

Rove was well trained by Lee Atwater in dirty tricks.

It is ironic that the "no paper trail" fits right in with their "let the elves do it" philosophy.

[txindy]

1. Unfortunately for the elves, though

They can't erase their little cloven hoofprints from the computers. No one gave the technology the memo. Plus, the computers are easy. They need little persuasion to turn over everything they've recorded. :evilgrin:

[goclark]

2. You are so right! I hope we can get

to those little machines to check insid them before thjere is a terror alert in the building.

Another ROVE trick!

[Edmond Dantes]

3. I have to agree with you.

Since I've been posting here about the need to undercut Rove's political effectiveness, my computer has been subjected to repeated, systematic attack by hackers. One got past my firewall.

Unfortunately for that person, they've been caught. Now we will see how much hacking this person has been up to in recent weeks.

Like I said, traps and decoys......

[goclark]

9. ROVEBOLD is the real terrorists!

Looks like we are the elves that will work to expose his dirty tricks.

We are the DU ELVES -LOL

[Edmond Dantes]

12. Anyone who is experiencing increased hacking activity,

particularly after making anti-Rove comments, should keep a record of such activity--noting the IP address of frequent hackers. There is some chance that these are the same scumbags who hacked the voting machines.

Be sure to examine your "trusted IP addresses" list on a regular basis to determine whether anyone has added an IP without your knowledge.

Keep detailed records. Every time you update your list, make sure you add your initials as well as current date (i.e. date on which you are CREATING the record).

Please spread the word.

[Eloriel]

4. We need a Right to Vote Constitutional Amendment

I'm sick and tired of this vote suppression stuff. Fed up to HERE with it. There are so many little dirty tricks -- inferior machines, not enough machines, not enough ballots, not enough provisional ballots, tossing out or "losing" provisional and absentee ballots, physical intimidation at polling places, state trooper run traffic stops near polling places in African American and other minority areas, moving precincts without any notice, combining precincts and (again) not enough machines, flyers saying Dems to vote on Wednesday, flyers suggesting they'll arrest you for being late on your rent if you try to vote, flyers insisting you need a bunch of ID in order to vote, flyers suggesting immigration will be watching voters....

... on and on and on.

If we were to pass a Constitutional Amendment, all these tactics would be denying people their Constitutional rights (and no, there's no Constitutional Right to Vote currently, and there are courts who have said precisely that).

We also need MUCH stiffer penalties for all sorts of voting shenanigans (and again, I think a Constitutional Amendment would aid in that effort), and we need a thorough review of all our various states' voting laws to find the clinks and insufficiencies.

[goclark]

8. That is the amendment that we need - not this marriage crap!

I am fed up with all the dirty tricks.

ROVEBOLD is still in full speed ahead moie right now.

He is trying to cover his tracks on all this stuff.

Let's keep rolling and questioning every move he makes.

He will stop at nothing!

[m berst]

5. the truth?

After days of arguing with people about the stolen election, one of the "de-bunkers" this morning said to me - "yeah, yeah, it was stolen, so what? We can't do anything about it. So let's focus on 2006!"

He - and probably millions of others - is willing to agree that the election was stolen....

provided that he isn't asked to do anything about it.

In other words, history will show that we knew. We knew exactly when and how democracy was killed, but we didn't want to fight for it.

All of these "show me the proof" arguments are lies. They are merely excuses for inaction because people are too intimidated, too fearful and too weak to even consider standing up to the tyrants.

If people don't want freedom badly enough, they will lose it. If they don't care, they don't care. No cure for that and no sense in arguing anymore.


on edit -spelling error corrected

[Eloriel]

6. And of course

"let's focus on 2006" is the BIGGEST waste of time at the moment, because if we don't fix this NOW, 2006 will be even more of a done deal. They are perfecting their techniques election-by-election and even more machines will be in play by 2006.

Not just fools, damned fools.

[goclark]

7. Exactly - we must fight now!

[LightTheMatch]

10. I agree, it's obvious...

They new what to do because, of course, they were all aiming for the same goal. There really was no need to communicate, it's not like they would say "hey, don't help us win over here, we've got it covered."

[goclark]

11. If we could just catch ONE elve!

How do we do it?

We can talk about the process but we must make a shining example of an elve!

If we could do that the rest will start getting scared brecause they think they are uncatchable.

[Edmond Dantes]

13. We need some computer whizzes of our own to help provoke an

attack by one of Rove's elves. Start collecting the data, i.e., IP addresses, etc.