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ringmastery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-19-04 01:22 PM
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Kerry - Edwards - Dean - Gephardt
What happens to Dean in NH if that's the order and Dean places 3rd? Would it be another 4 way race, but this time among Dean, Clark, Edwards, and Kerry.

If Gephardt places 4th, does he drop out? Isn't he running out of money? Who would get his supporters?
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JohnKleeb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-19-04 01:23 PM
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1. I dont know what will happen to Dean
but I think Edwards could get Gep's people.
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cthrumatrix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-19-04 01:30 PM
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5. a causcus is diff from "all vote"...who has the votes ? We'll see
I think Dean still has the organization to do it
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arewethereyet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-19-04 01:31 PM
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6. very likely and then he heads back home to the south
with a head of steam. We southerners love returning heros like cool lemonaid on a hot summer day.

Of course our friends in Iowa will let us know in a few hours if all this chitter chatter makes any difference !

Go Edwards !
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sangha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-19-04 01:27 PM
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2. IMO, Dean needs to sweep both IA and NH
If he doesn't, I don't think he can win the nom. His "big mo" will disappear.

If Gephardt does any worse than coming in a close 2nd in IA, he's doomed.

And I see Clark, Edwards and Kerry getting a boost from IA due to their doing better than expected against the Dean machine.
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Langis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-19-04 01:28 PM
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4. I agree
I think Edward/Kerry/Clark will be picking up a lot of Dean people if he does not win IA, and NH.
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sangha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-19-04 01:32 PM
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7. I just read a thread sating that Kerry is the most popular 2nd choice
If true, that's BIG! It means that as candidates drop out, Lerry will pick up most of the votes.
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Langis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-19-04 01:27 PM
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3. I think even if Gephardt places 2nd he will drop out
He does not have enough money to go on unless he comes in first. Even then it will be tought for him.
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CalebHayes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-19-04 01:34 PM
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8. Gerhardt supporters would support...
Kerry or Edwards. I would put my money on Kerry. Simply because he is more the "traditional" Democrat.
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question everything Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-19-04 01:37 PM
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9. The view from the Wall St Journal
Mr. Dean's superior organization and unsurpassed campaign treasury could still help him salvage a first-place showing in the unpredictable caucuses. But Iowa already has changed the race by denting the aura of inevitability that once surrounded the former Vermont governor. Signs that his hard-edged, antiwar message is hitting a ceiling have breathed new life into the campaigns of his challengers as they turn their focus toward the primary contests that lie beyond this Midwestern launching point.

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Iowa's caucuses also can be very hard to predict. The format requires Democrats to show up at their local precincts for at least two hours and publicly declare their preferences. It favors the candidate with the best organization and the most dedicated followers.

Mr. Dean, who has been carefully building an Internet-driven network for nearly a year, appears far stronger by that measure than Messrs. Kerry or Edwards. Over the weekend, 2,000 Dean volunteers from around the U.S. descended on Iowa to make calls and knock on doors, sporting bright orange "Grassroots for Dean" knit caps. Only Mr. Gephardt -- backed by a large bloc of industrial unions -- can match the scale of Mr. Dean's voter drive.

Moreover, Mr. Dean made two moves Sunday, after the Register poll had been completed, that could boost his support before the vote. He took a quick trip to Georgia to meet with former President Carter, who stopped short of an endorsement but praised Mr. Dean's "courageous and outspoken" stands. Later in the day, Mr. Dean was joined in Iowa for the first time by his wife, whose absence until now has deprived his campaign of the personal touch that has aided other candidates.

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"Dean and Gephardt have locked up their base, but they haven't grown it," Iowa's Democratic Gov. Tom Vilsack said of the campaign's fluid finish. "Kerry makes people feel safe and secure, and Edwards has run a positive, optimistic campaign." Mr. Vilsack has stayed neutral in the race, though his wife endorsed Mr. Kerry, a decorated Vietnam veteran and member of the Senate since 1985. Hopeful Kerry backers have summed up the endgame in Iowa with buttons and bumper stickers saying: "Dated Dean, Married Kerry."

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Some Iowa Democrats, in fact, say Mr. Dean's bluster reminds them too much of the swaggering president he loves to blast and makes them uneasy about both men. "He frightens me," said Bonnie Cummings, 43, who joined about 40 neighbors at a shed on her uncle's farm in Adel one weekday to meet Mr. Kerry. "Dean acts too much like Bush."

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was disappointed Mr. Dean didn't say anything during his speech about what he'd do now in Baghdad, and Ms. Blom said she felt the veteran Massachusetts legislator would be better equipped to respond. Mr. Dean, she said, "should address the here and now of Iraq, not the shouldn't have."

The reconsideration of Mr. Dean has been balanced by a willingness to give second looks to Sens. Kerry and Edwards, both of whom have endured far less public scrutiny and criticism than Mr. Dean.

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"Don't just go there to send America a message," he tells potential caucus-goers at virtually every stop, in a subtle slap at Mr. Dean. "Go there to send America a president of the United States." Some voters now seem more willing to pay attention to Mr. Kerry's long Washington resume, comparing it with Mr. Dean's dozen years as governor of one of the smallest states in the country.

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Snivi Yllom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-19-04 01:44 PM
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10. No way Edwards ends up 2nd
He will be third

Dean-Kerry-Edwards-Gephardt

Gephardt is done after today.
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