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TruthIsAll Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-18-04 02:45 AM
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Visualize: We have already won
Edited on Thu Nov-18-04 03:41 AM by TruthIsAll
Regardless of what happens in the next few weeks, the fraud is being exposed day by day, as the evidence rolls in, so we have already won.

Whether or not Kerry gets on board and fights, the truth is coming out, so we have already won.

Whether or not we get a fair recount, the facts will eventually be clear to all, so we have already won.

Whether or not Blackwell in Ohio allows the provisional ballots to be counted, he is exposed as a Bush crony, so we have already won.

Whether or not Jeb Bush is implicated in the Optical Scam fraud, the world knows it’s his job to deliver Florida for his brother, so we have already won.

Whether or not Bev Harris can get the fraud exposed soon enough to the media, her work will eventually be appreciated, so we have already won.

Whether or not the Democrats come to their senses and fight back after having seen the GOP steal three consecutive elections from them, they know we will never let them avoid the truth, so we have already won.

Whether or not the fraud is exposed in the near term, as eventually it surely will be, Peter Jennings, Dan Rather, Tom Brokaw and yes, even Al Franken, will one day sing mea culpas for their complicity in the media lockdown of the biggest story of all time, so we have already won.

Whether or not the full dimensions of this mega-scandal are exposed sooner rather than later, Keith Olbermann will go down in history as the only reporter in the corporate media to do the right thing. He is now part of the group which includes patriots like Bev Harris, Mike Malloy, Randi Rhodes and many others, so we have already won.

Whether or not Bush prevails, he will be judged as the worst president in history for his lies, for outing Valerie Plame, for the horror Abu Grhaib, for sleeping and letting 9/11 happen, and for the thousands of unnecessary lives lost and destroyed. Ultimately he will be gone, so we have already won.
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DELUSIONAL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-18-04 02:50 AM
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1. Just heard Bev Harris and she said that we must pursue this
so that people will have faith in the system.

Fraud where it is found must be exposed.

---- I say that we are all going to have to educate ourselves and turn into pit bulls and not let them get away of fraud and we must make sure that everyone involved is caught and punished.

How wide spread is the vote fraud?
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NVMojo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-18-04 02:57 AM
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4. thank you, Bev, a million times over for what you and your
partners are doing. You are one strong lady.
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high density Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-18-04 02:52 AM
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2. OK, you keep telling yourself that
Edited on Thu Nov-18-04 02:54 AM by high density
Yes, I agree that fraud happened. Will we ever expose it? I hope so, but I think it will take months or years. Deluding ourselves that we have "already won" isn't helping anything, though. I just checked and Bush still has more than 270 electoral votes so we aren't yet winning right now by any measure.

Visualizing fantasy things is like joining the faith based community that we're trying to fight.
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Must_B_Free Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-18-04 02:55 AM
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3. who cares what you think?
you lost, but we've already won.
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Winamericaback Donating Member (398 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-18-04 02:58 AM
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5. Oh man
That means I have to stop fantasizing about Obermann! ;)

Really you are right, we haven't really won anything and exposing the fraud isn't going to be a win because it wont change the minds of all the Repugs.

Bush admitted to no WMD's and he still won, It was proven that Gore actually won FL and Bush still won again..

Until we get leaders with balls who are willing to stand up then we are pretty much screwed as a party. They can't just hope that the neocons will just go away or that they will screw themselves..
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demwing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-18-04 03:57 AM
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6. I'm Not Fighting The Faith Based Community
Speak for yourself.

I'm fighting the dissolving separation between Church and State, as much for the sake of the Church as for the sake of the State.

I'm fighting hate that poses as religion.

I'm fighting fundamentalists who spread fear and call it redemption.

I'm fighting damnable lies that masquerade as eternal truths.

I am fighting many things, but I'm not fighting spiritual faith. I have this faith. I believe in an eternal, absolute truth.

So, apparently, you are fighting against me, since I'm part of the "Faith Based Community."

But as I am fighting all that I am fighting, maybe you ought to rethink your fight. Perhaps you should choose your enemies more carefully.
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