Where is the outrage over the war? Where are the protests?

[Quixote1818]

Is it just me or does it seem like Bush is being aloud to skate free lately on the War in Iraq? It seems like people have just learned to live with this war and no matter how many people are killed people for the most part continue to go about their business and support the President???? Why have we not seen huge protests of 100,000 people in Washington DC lately. What can we do to change this?

[nadinbrzezinski]

1. Where is the media

YOU DO KNOW there were tanks in the streets of LA but two weeks ago.

You don't

Oh sorry yuo mean the big media forgot to tell you?

There are demonstrations but alas you will HAVE TO FIND THEM on your own. Don't expect the media to do its job

Try Indymedia

On edit

YOU DO KNOW there was a labor demonstration in DC wiht tens of thousands of people on October 18th... what CNN forgot to tell you?

[billyoc]

2. Get a free press

Problem solved.

[dogtag]

3. I was thinking the same thing this morning. I don't hear any

discussion anywhere regarding the war. It's become a fact of life and most people are ignoring it. Let's face it, if you don't watch the news nor read any papers, it's easy enough to ignore. In my circle of acquaintances, not one person has a relative serving in Iraq. What, me worry?

[nadinbrzezinski]

5. That song and dance will change ten seconds

after hte draft comes back

But there are protests, the way you create the illusion that there are non is that the media does not cover them

It is like the caskets, 1200 troops have died

So?

1200 caskets covered wiht flags and the right wing and the media go on overdrive to mininmize it

1200 troops have died

So?

Nightline reads the names and they go on overdrive

Keep it away from people and program their 15 minutes of hate and you get the illusion. This they learned from Nam

But the Draft will make it real for your circle of friends, very real

[Neoma]

4. Its not over yet

waiting till inauguration day.
Thats Truly when he gets into office for 4 more years.

[Malva Zebrina]

6. I see little outrage

where there should be total and complete rage over this war.

I seldom see it mentioned except here on this site, and a few blogs,

Beats me. It is a nightmare every night to me.

But, what can we do? A majority of our sainted congresspeople voted a bad vote, or was it a bad vote? Looking back I seriously wonder how many actually did want the war.

Now wee are treated to all the excuses, and disclaimers by those who did vote that IWR vote.

Nevetheless, in spite of all hindsight platitudes and excuses uttered now from them all, including former President Clinton, it goes on in it's utter, despeicable barbarism, it's carnage and it's merciless slaughter without ONE person of our elected representatives mentioning it!!

Not a one, mentioning the lies of Bush that brought us to the level of total , greedy occupiers, and the tens of thousands of lives lost which we are responsible for killing, and without any discourse at all about it.

It is an outrage and more than that.

[poppet]

27. Besides international sources

you may want to look at

www.truthout.org

[Worst Username Ever]

7. It didn't really happen too much in 'nam until about 10 years into it n/t

[Kolesar]

8. January 20, 2005, D.C .

www.internationalanswer.org

[Quixote1818]

11. Thank you, I will send this to everyone I know!

[Mr. Mousie]

36. gonna be huge

The one where he was coronated the first time was big, and pissed. I can't wait until Jan 20th THIS time around. No peace for the Bushites!!!

[Quixote1818]

9. After the Iraq elections are blown up it seems the media will have to

cover the war again and it's legitimacy. Sooner or later the Media will decide it's time to re-examine what the hell we are doing over their and I am thinking this will happen just after the elections in Iraq.

[C.C.D.]

10. Folks are too busy watching "The Bachelor" and shopping WMT (m)

I HATE apathy.

[WilliamPitt]

12. Where are the protesters? Probably doing what a lot of DUers are doing

Sitting on their asses complaining on an internet forum.

[Moonbeam_Starlight]

17. I'm also wondering about

world outrage.

[WilliamPitt]

19. It's there in spades

but you won't find it in the American press.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/

http://www.independent.co.uk/

http://english.aljazeera.net/HomePage

[Moonbeam_Starlight]

21. What a shame.

Thanks for the links, I appreciate it.

[sangh0]

33. WIll, you left something out

Sitting on their asses complaining on an internet forum... about how Kerry would have won if only he had opposed the war.

[Javaman]

13. It's early yet, remember in with Viet Nam the truly huge ones didn't

happen untill 66-67, we have to be there another year or so at the current rate before the people and the media really turn on him.
Remember there are many who still believe the notion that it was the right thing to do. And that Saddam helped terrorists and the was the one responcible for 9/11.
The people in the know, democrats, know the truth, it takes a couple of years before the rest catch up. Sadly, in the mean time, more and more people get killed.

[maxsolomon]

14. Out of sight, out of mind.

either that, or the majority of americans know exactly what's being done in their name, they LIKE the dead troops, & don't give a flying fuck about 50,000 dead brown people.

besides, how exactly would large, organized protests change the mind of bush & his minions? it wouldn't. he doesn't give a fuck what his followers think, much less some marginalized hippies. bush's ME policy will continue till january 2009 no matter what.

we should concentrate on bringing the reality of the war into american lives. joe sheeple hates protestors. anyone who's ever protested anything knows that.

[Village Idiot]

15. I am protesting on November 30th

when the Shrub visits my hometown - Ottawa, Ontario, Canada.

Anyone got any good sign ideas?

[Kolesar]

22. "Bush energy policy = WAR"

Not in my town, Bush
Keep Speech Free
No blood for oil

[Cheswick2.0]

25. How many lives per gallon?

Draft the Twins!
We have no Oil, don't bomb us!


Or how about just a large picture of one of the babies deformed from Depleted Uranium?

[tavalon]

34. Yeah

"Book em Dano"

[Moonbeam_Starlight]

16. I have been reading

Nicholas Von Hoffman's book Hoax: Why Americans Are Suckered by White House Lies.

He has one sentence that I was actually stunned by (because I realized it was true). He says "In 225 years of war, only once can it be said that an anti-war or peace movement in America had any success. That was during the Vietnam War, but even then, the peace movement only got real traction after the conflict had been going on for years, literally as long as World War Two." p. 74 (He goes on to say: "There are no instances of an American peace movement actually preventing a war.")

I asked the question you asked in this thread about a week ago.

I am amazed at the silence from the world and from us, but I have no answers. I wonder what the rest of the world is doing and thinking--other nation's governments, what are they thinking of this? Do they feel there is nothing to be done?

What, after all, can top our Christian firepower? :eyes:

[deutsey]

18. There are protests happening in local communities and cities

Check out Indymedia.org sites regularly; there are usually photos and reports posted on them.

http://la.indymedia.org/

But you're right...there aren't many national efforts happening now. The Inauguration in DC may also be a hotspot of anti-war protests.

[ScreamingMeemie]

20. I heard tell of a protest in Chicago. My husband's friend said they

were unable to move in traffic downtown last weekend due to an election protest. We aren't going to see any of it on the news. Many people never knew about the huge protests on Inauguration Day 2001 until they read about it. :hi:

[SmokingJacket]

23. I blame cable TV!

Well, not entirely. I have only hazy memories of the Vietnam era, but I do remember that there were only three or four channels on our TV. If we wanted the idiot box on in the evening, we HAD to watch the news. Every evening a little dose of world events. You couldn't escape the news. My childhood was punctuated by the nightly news, every day at 6pm.

Now not only is the news sanitized and trying to compete with reality programming, but you have to go looking for it. Who wants to *look* for death and destruction?

World events just don't come up on many people's radar anymore.

But I agree a draft will change that.

[Cheswick2.0]

24. Which part of the opposition party (democrats) are speaking

out about this? If the democratic party leaders won't speak out why should anyone bother? What good is it going to do? Several candidates ran as anti war candidates, how were they repaid?
How will protests do any good if we know bush doesn't give a damn what we think and no one else does either? Who are we protesting too?

Want a protest? Organize one...but be careful, someone might accuse you of being a far left radical outside of the mainstream.

[BrewerJohn]

26. We're having one in my town this evening

If we don't get totally rained out I'll post a report on it later.

[Stephanie]

28. What's the point? Do you know how many protests I have gone to?

Protests in NYC with hundreds of thousands of screaming mad people from all over. Many, many protests. What's the point? It has no effect whatsoever.

[Kolesar]

29. What was the tally in NYC? 85% Kerry/15% Bush, I recall

Maybe that was just Manhattan. I am sure the protests had some effect, despite the SS and the propagandists measures to suppress them.

[Mr. Mousie]

35. I think it has a big effect

If there hadn't been massive protests in the buildup to the war, Bush would have gotten his mandate, and probably would have gone in there with the UN. As it was, he had to go it alone exposed before the whole world. That has had enormous consequences.

And I agree with the original poster--we've got to raise the level of protest in this country against this whole global war/domestic police state agenda. What are our options?

[Stephanie]

43. That is absolute total BULLSHIT

The protests did NOT prevent the UN from joining Bush's invasion of Iraq. It was the fact that the WMD evidence was BOGUS that prevented the UN from joining. Nice try though. Slick attempt to turn it around. Where do you get your talking points? Let me guess.

[leftofthedial]

30. what war?

[willysnout]

31. Here's Why

1. The soliders are volunteers. If this was a drafted army, you'd have a lot more visible opposition.

2. The soldiers and their families largely support the war. If there was more dissent, you'd see more civilian protests. Otherwise, a lot of people oppose the war yet don't want to protest it as it's being fought.

3. The domestic economic consequences are not yet visible. Bush has pursued a guns-and-butter policy. We know it's unsustainable, but at the moment it's being sustained.

4. People are emotionally drained from the election campaign.

[MadHound]

32. Come to my neck of the woods friend, we protest bi-weekly

Once on Saturday in front of the Post Office, then on Wed evening rush hour. Always a good turn out. This is in addition to various other protests and marches.

[jzodda]

37. The media doesnt care

They have taken the election to mean that the people "like" the war, that they "want" the war. The fact that the polling suggests the war wasnt even the most important issue suggets to them that the people dont even care about it that much.

Lets look at the facts. There are few reporters operating openly in Iraq right now and so the stories coming from there are limited. What we have are the embedded reporters and the rest just hanging around in hotels b/c its too dangerous to travel.

So that means we are not getting the full picture of whats going on there. Nov is only half over and yets its the 2nd most bloodly month of a war that we were supposed to have won over a year ago. What does that tell you? People are either ignorant, or un-informed, or do not care.

[sampsonblk]

38. Its cuz we had our chance

I am all for protests in between elections. But we had our chance to air our party's point of view about this crooked war, and the crooked things Bush is up to. The public chose the chimp. What are we to protest for now? Protest to whom?

Seems to me a waste of time now.

[BrewerJohn]

39. War protest in Iowa City 11/18/04

Well, the rain didn't stop, but about 40 of us gathered downtown tonight. We had a couple of speakers, did some chants and then marched around several blocks.

I think the answer to the OP is that things are getting started again. This was the first action we've had that I'm aware of since spring of 2003. We had an invitation to a planning meeting on our email list, which had been pretty stagnant for months. The first meeting was last week. Several people cited being depressed over the election debacle, and wanting to do something. I could certainly relate to that.

Considering the weather and the fact that we're almost starting from scratch again, I think we had pretty good turnout. And I'm betting that it's going to get bigger. It all starts at the bottom.

[hatrack]

40. Waiting for the draft notices next spring

They won't call it a "draft", of course. It'll be called the "New Freedom Initiative" . . . no, wait, that's the plan to screen children and cram SSRI antidepressants down their throats.

Whatever bullshit name they hang on it, it'll bring everybody out - from aging hippies to multipierced Halo 2 players, and most everybody in between.

[Cornjob]

41. It begins with the counter-culture!

During the '60s the hippie movement grew rapidly as a counterforce to Nixon, Kissinger and the RW lunatics running the US Administration. At first they were mostly harmless, disaffected middle class kids with no real interest in politics. The change came when these same kids were drafted and sent to Vietnam.

The hatred of these kids by many conservative elders fueled a powerful conflict that resulted in increasingly vocal, disruptive, and violent behavior on the part of the kids. Sit-ins became break-ins, gatherings became street shut-downs, and truly militant radical groups sprang up.

I can see no true counterculture, except rappers/hip-hoppers, at present. Maybe it is the destiny of these outcasts to once again lead the protest movement.

Wouldn't that be interesting!

[leesa]

42. The Judeo-Christian country doesn't give a fuck.

They are so superior that they cannot be bothered with the 100,000 dead infidels