Did bush Get Lucky ... or was the election stolen ??

[welshTerrier2]

the following article really does a great job pulling together all the loose ends surrounding the stolen election ... it's a long article and a definite MUST READ ...

source:
http://valleyadvocate.com/gbase/News/index
then click on the "did bush get lucky" story
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Expressed fears about a possibly stolen election aren't coming exclusively from defeated Democrats this time around. The Wall Street Journal -- hardly a Democrat's paper -- recently revealed that "Verified Voting, a group formed by a Stanford University professor to assess electronic voting, has collected 31,000 reports of election fraud and other problems."

University of Pennsylvania researcher Dr. Steven Freeman, in his November 2004 paper "The Unexplained Election Poll Discrepancy," concludes: "The odds that the discrepancies between predicted results and actual vote counts in Ohio, Florida and Pennsylvania could have been due to chance or random error are 250 million to 1." The unavoidable hypothesis: they were caused by "systematic fraud or manipulation."

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This election is not the first with results widely seen as surprising if not suspicious. In November 2002, Georgia Democratic Governor Roy Barnes led by 11 percent and Democratic Senator Max Cleland was in front by 5 percent just before the election -- the first ever conducted entirely on touch-screen electronic machines, and counted entirely by company employees rather than public officials -- but mysterious election-day swings of 16 percent and 12 percent defeated both these popular incumbents. In Minnesota, Democrat Walter Mondale (replacing highly regarded Senator Paul Wellstone, who died in a plane crash) lost in an amazing last-minute 11-percent vote swing recorded on electronic machines. Convenient glitches in Florida aided Jeb Bush and defeated Janet Reno in their primary elections.

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Four major companies control the U.S. vote count: Diebold, ES&S, Sequoia and SAIC. All of them are hard-wired into the Bush campaign and power structure. The Bush government gave them millions to roll out computerized voting machines. Diebold chief Walden O'Dell is a top Bush fundraiser. Diebold's election division is headed by Bob Urosevich, whose brother Todd is a top exec at "rival" ES&S. The brothers were originally staked by Howard Ahmanson, bagman for the extremist Christian Reconstruction Movement, which advocates the theocratic takeover of American government. Sequoia is owned by a partner member of the Carlyle Group, which has dictated foreign policy in both Bush administrations and which employed former President Bush for quite a while.

[BlueEyedSon]

1. Bad link?

[welshTerrier2]

5. working on it ... looks like a DU bug ... (n/t)

[BlueEyedSon]

7. This it?

http://www.valleyadvocate.com/gbase/News/content?oid=oid:91516

Nevermind, you're right... DU is mangling it!

(reposted with plain text option)

[welshTerrier2]

8. OK ... found a better link ... try it now ...

n/t

[robbedvoter]

2. Lucky, silly. 11 million Amish (or Martians) came to the rescue....

Just as a sizeable part of his 2000 voters had had it with him.
But next time, we'll work harder, get 12 million extra votes - and hope W wouldn't het...luckier? :shrug:

[Paradise]

3. Kinda makes me wish I was Ukrainian, today... n/t

[robbedvoter]

6. Or Romanian?

Call to scrap Romania poll result

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/4055345.stm

Basescu says his fight is "to restore democracy"

Romania's opposition leader has called for the results of presidential and parliamentary elections to be annulled amid claims of voter fraud.
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"I am no longer fighting for the presidency, but to restore democracy in Romania," he said.

Suspicion has focused on the introduction of a computerised electoral roll system for voters.

An expensive EU plan to introduce "foolproof" voting cards was suspended by the Romanian government before the election.

[Paradise]

9. If they are in the streets, fighting for democracy, yes! n/t

[neoteric lefty]

12. isn't it nice to see how much some people cherish their democracy

These folk have only been able to freely vote for 14 years or so. When they see those in power try to "fix" the results, they don't take it lying down. Too bad most Americans here are too apethetic and just plain uninformed. We Americans, for the most part, take our freedoms, liberties, and democratic rights for granted and it is quite sad.

[Paradise]

13. I envy them their determination, dedication... n/t

[robbedvoter]

4. I was able to access it from the blank page - click "news"

try this
http://tinyurl.com/3lqzz

[Paradise]

11. thanks. n/t

[Paradise]

10. thanks. n/t

[donkeyotay]

14. It certainly is amazing. Amazing that Americans believe this "luck"

I suppose anyone can win the lottery... once.

"In Minnesota, Democrat Walter Mondale (replacing highly regarded Senator Paul Wellstone, who died in a plane crash) lost in an amazing last-minute 11-percent vote swing recorded on electronic machines."

Of course, you're not allowed to mention the luck of the plane crash either. I still miss Wellstone.

[Snivi Yllom]

15. it was not luck or thievery

* won and Kerry lost.