this may be old news to some, concerns recount, Kerry, Gore, DNC

[wyldwolf]

I have a friend, actually an older woman who has been involved in the DNC for 30 years or so... she is very well connected...

... I was talking to her about Olbermann and the voting recount and such. She got very quite and said, "The DNC is doing this through private funding.... they're protecting Kerry so the GOP won't do to him what they did to Gore, but Kerry is very involved..."

... take it for what it's worth...

[whalerider55]

1. a glimmer

but my friend, they already did to him what they did to Gore.

whalerider55

[wyldwolf]

2. not really...

...they haven't painted Kerry with the "sore loser" tag nor created another myth of "counting the votes over and over again..."

[fujiyama]

4. I don't think

that tag ever stuck (atleast among those that did vote for him). Most polls at the time showed that a majority wanted all the votes to be properly counted. Many polls at the time also showed that a majority also thought that more people in FL had originally intended to cast their votes for Gore rather than Bush.

My guess is that atleast a quarter to a third of the population (if not more) don't believe the '00 election was legitimate.

[bush_is_wacko]

10. Yes, unfortunatly it did!

I received dozens of emails after that election from idiot repubs about the fact that Hillary Clinton and Al Gore were percieved by the secret service as the most rude Democrats in existence. Something to the effect that they (Gore and Hillary) spoke openly of their disgust for all things republican and offended a lot of military and secret service agents w/ the rudeness of their remarks. I'll have to research the email a little more, but I think I might be able to come up w/ it!

[Bridget Burke]

13. No need.

We get to hear most of the Right Wing talking points over here. Usually, somebody claims their "friend" passed them on.

[bush_is_wacko]

15. I resent that!

I am about as liberal as they come and so is the rest of my family. These freinds that I speak of are part of the Repub machine. My husband and I have arguued w/ them for the past two years about our current administration. These people are freinds since we were teenager's. Granted, they only send us token X-mas cards and occassionally call to insult us, but really you are missing my point entirely. The Democratic Party needs to wake up! What is the goal here? Do we want the WH back or not? Knowing your enemy is half the battle!

[whalerider55]

12. they stole the election

suppressed and intimidated voters, they filetted Kerry with the liberal/flip flop label. they don't need to create the myth of counting the votes over and over. they know that the time they've had has since election day has created a strong likelihood that the votes won't ever really be counted.

for me, this isn't about kerry anymore. its about a party that cannot make a strong, unified statement that enfranchisement is the line that cannot be crossed in a democracy.

and we're afraid of being called a "sore loser"?

imho, there is no back channel to achieving enfranchisement. tell that to people who believed the Democratic party, believed that their vote would count, who waited 6 hours to cast a vote. tell them that we're moving under the radar screen so we don't get called sore losers. then try to convince them to show up in 2006, when this (2004) is the third election in a row when we haven't been able to make the vote count come out the way it was cast.

i apprecitae your insight into what may be going on. but really, i think that if every single democratic senator told the nation they intended to cosponsor the House resolution that will be proposed in January when the electoral fiasco reaches the Legislature for acceptance, it would make a huge difference in how the grass roots and the nation see this issue.

enfranchisement. without it, we can't even win elections we have already won.

i guess i'm just frustrated at the way this has been framed by the MSM and by us.

whalerider55

i retunr control of this thread back to y'all

[Farmgirl]

3. Wyldwolf....

is there anything you can tell us about your conversation with your friend to give us more of a pulse on Kerry's involvement, or her perception of where things are at (without divulging too much)? We are all aching for something more than shreds at this point.

Thanks!

:kick:

[wyldwolf]

6. shreds are all I have...

Don't mean to be a tease.

Essentially, it will be pursued as long as they feel something good can happen.

The goal, if I understand correctly, isn't to directly overturn the election but rather to expose the fraud.

I really don't have much more to tell but may after Saturday if she has more and is willing to spill it.

[IndyOp]

14. I will be far more happy if the fraud is exposed

than if it isn't. Truth matters a whole lot. Nonetheless, I didn't work my butt off for over a year to have more fraud exposed. I wanted the butcher and all his minions out of the White House. And, I am afraid that all of the people who worked and sweated bullets will have learned that it isn't even worth trying in future if the DNC/Kerry don't do whatever is necessary - including causing a Constitutional Crisis - now.

Nonetheless - thank you for sharing your comments. It is reassuring to hear that the DNC *is* involved.

[Tandalayo_Scheisskopf]

5. No surprises here.

I have been seeing chess moves, Sun Tzu, Charlie Chan...you name it, it is all over this thing like ugly on an ape.

Like I said earlier: Tweety brought it up tonight. If Tweety did that and treated the issue with any sort of gravitas whatsoever, that means that the buzz is on in DC. Could Tweety have gotten something stuck in his ear? Perhaps. Perhaps a misdirection. Perhaps a half truth. But something is rumbling in LotusLand.

On edit: It wouldn't be at all surprising to find out that some trails of investigation have been seeded here, by those with a dog in this hunt.

[bush_is_wacko]

7. I agree wholeheartedly

I do think there is a need to protect Kerry from an onslaught of RepubliKKKlan fury! I have thought that since before the election. I emailed the Kerry campaign a thank you note for not treating the public to a smirking on election night the way chimp did! Kerry handled himself like a true gentleman and like a true Democrat. He has also headed some of the biggest and most important hush, hush, investigations of the past 20 years. I'll give him as long as it takes. I wish he was our President right now, but if the proper route is to investigate behind the scenes for the next two years and then break the story w/ all the evidence to back it up, so be it. Don't we all want the truth, every last bit of it, exposed?

[bush_is_wacko]

8. Sorry for sounding like a complete idiot..

who is Tweety? I haven't been on this site very long so don't assault me OK?

[Tandalayo_Scheisskopf]

9. *POW!!!*

Oops. Sorry.

Actually, Tweety is Chris Matthews, whom we call Tweety because he possess an unnatural resemblence to Tweety Bird.

[bush_is_wacko]

11. That's cute..

and I should have been able to figure that one out! He does resemble Tweety a little!

[gasperc]

16. we should watch the Ukraine, it is looking like a CIA black ops thing

probably the pro-putin guy did use fraud but only because the pro-national/west guy got the nod from the US(reported in the Guardian) and alot of dough started flowing to him. Putin must have got wind that CIA or some covert government agency is working to install Yuschenko. My guess massive cheating on both sides. But I'll bet US $$ is backing these huge protests that's putting massive pressure on the government to hold another election.

So, my point is that our government had something to do with the Ukraine situation. And evidence is growing that forces within our government worked to get Bush re-elected.

We all know that Bush and his cronies had to win, otherwise they could all end up in jail for thier crimes against us.

Expose the fraud, that'll create the pressure to make it impossible for Bush to govern. But if Kerry sticks out like a target for the GOP to smack on like they did Rather then it would all be for naught. We'll have to be patient, if there's nothing there then so be it but I have a hunch something's up.
I've looked at the vote totals state by state and there are alot of weird anomolies. The biggest one being that Bush convinced 8.5million new voters to support him even though he was at or below 50% approval. Historically a big gain like that comes from the opposition not from the pool on non-voters.

[Spiffarino]

17. We all hope you're friend is right about this

We need Kerry and the DNC on the ground. If they're working behind the scenes, time's almost up. We need people front and center to get the 55 million "official" Kerry voters motivated and out in the streets en masse.

Another poster mentioned a Constitutional Crisis even if Bush does wind up with the most votes after a legit count. That is EXACTLY what needs to happen! He doesn't get a pass for stealing 2000, even if he did win this year.