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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-02-04 01:26 PM
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What if it is proven that Bush did steal the election ??
What would be the reaction? Of course, they would say he won the majority and it doesn't really matter..forgetting about Al Gore. Or would the people demand that he resign? or would it even make a difference if it is proven he stole the election?
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tk2kewl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-02-04 01:27 PM
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1. Put him in prison
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fertilizeonarbusto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-02-04 01:28 PM
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2. I think there would be a very ugly backlash
Remember, if he stole the election, that means most votes were not for him, which means a helluva lot of people had their both stolen, tainted or both.
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DenverDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-02-04 01:28 PM
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3. publicans don't care if busholini lies, cheats, steals or murders.
They are political expedients who only care about retaining power.
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indigobusiness Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-02-04 01:29 PM
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4. What if it's proven Bush stole BOTH elections?
And oceans of blood have been spilled as a result?

Where is the remedy?
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IStriker Donating Member (408 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-02-04 01:29 PM
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5. If it can be PROVEN...
he would be forced to resign and if he didn't, he would be impeached.
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w13rd0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-02-04 01:32 PM
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6. Are you sure?
Considering our "leadership" and the "media", it's equally as likely that they'll consent to a cover-up, for the "good of the nation". Maybe our "security" too.
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IStriker Donating Member (408 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-02-04 01:37 PM
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10. Yes, I'm sure.
If there is proof, the media would jump on it with both feet and once everybody learned of it (as long as the evidence is convincing) if he did not resign, there would be plenty of Republicans who would wither in the heat of the press and call for his resignation. McCain comes to mind as one who would join with the Democrats immediately.
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w13rd0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-02-04 01:42 PM
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12. There's been proof of plenty...
...over the past four years. But hardly a peep is heard. Gee, can anyone tell me what the dominant headline was destined to be on the weekend following the 9th of September, 2001? Anyone? Oh yeah, that's right...

Confidence level in the "media" and our "elected officials"?
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IStriker Donating Member (408 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-02-04 01:46 PM
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15. "...PROOF of plenty" of what?
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w13rd0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-02-04 02:10 PM
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17. Bush being a traitor...
...a coward, a liar. Lying to the UN, to Congress, to the American people, about a WAR our children and their children are dying in. Lying to the people about their "pre-911 mindset". They considered a tax cut a more important use of their marginal political capital than reacting to the CLEAR warnings they were getting of imminent attack. Just rewind 3 and a half years and play back the Bush term in your head, objectively. Forget party, forget ideaology, play it all back as if you were an archeologist piecing together the history of a people centuries dead, using the tools at your disposal.
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glitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-02-04 02:20 PM
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19. Well, I can. The NORC study of the vote count in FL proving Gore won
under any scenario where the votes were counted according to the rule of law. I.E., intent of the voter was clearly visible.
Have to agree with you w13rd0, glad to see you reminding people of our recent history.
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Bush_Eats_Beef Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-02-04 01:34 PM
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7. The challenge would be proving that he was directly responsible
...and Rove isn't going to take the fall, either...so where would he place the blame?

I have to look at the recent protests in Chile and Canada, as well as the election crisis in the Ukraine...the people of the U.S. have a LOT of catching up to do in terms of political activism.

My gut is telling me that if it were proven TOMORROW that Bush stole the election, 'murca would roll over and go back to sleep.
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mainegreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-02-04 01:34 PM
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8. If it were proven
and I mean proven that he was directly responsible for and ordered the stealing of the election, he probably would be tried for treason and executed. Even his allied fundies would have to turn against him in order to maintain their elected positions.
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K to the YLE Donating Member (36 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-02-04 02:40 PM
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20. Bush may be dumb...
but he is smart enough to cover his own ass and have a bunch of underlings that would take the fall...unless a "deepthroat"-like informant comes forth with some real inside dirt and evidence he is not going anywhere unfortunately. Wrongdoings can be proved to occurred but if they cannot be linked to Bush directly there is little hope of change. Actually I just thought of this, what if the vote fraud was given enough attention that no one, NO ONE, could deny wrongdoings but it couldn't be pinned on anyone in particular? Who is then responsible? Also, MaineGreen glad to see another Mainer on DU....peaceout
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glitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-02-04 01:35 PM
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9. One important thing will happen - Dems will quit wringing their hands on
'how to get their message out'. I've had about enough of that.
And Americans can stop apologizing for majority stupid, and start apologizing for letting our system get so corrupt that it's so easily stolen.
But if we fix it we can be an example of a working democracy again.
And another thing, even better: no international credibility for bushco. No concessions from anyone based on 'popular mandate'.
Of course my beautiful dream is bushco indictments for RICO and fraud, but I'll take their public humiliation if I must.
And finally, folks will stop calling rove a 'genius'.
'Genius' thieves don't get caught.
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sendero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-02-04 01:38 PM
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11. This is going to come as a shock :)
But I doubt Bush** did steal the election. I'm 50/50 on whether it was stolen, but if it was I dobut Bush** had anything to do with it.

He doesn't have to - he has legions of rabid minions who are all too happy to do the dirty work.

One thing I would like to see - a tough "law and order" piece of Federal legislation that sets up huge mandatory sentences for anyone convicted of tampering with an election. IMHO, it is a form of treason and should be treated as such.
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IStriker Donating Member (408 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-02-04 01:53 PM
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16. a tough "law and order" piece of Federal legislation....
That is EXACTLY what we need to demand of our legislators - mandatory sentencing for anybody attempting to tamper with an election, huge penalties for voting more than once, and on up the line with BIGGER and BIGGER penalties for anybody found guilty of tampering, etc.
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dennis4868 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-02-04 01:45 PM
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13. why would anyone think.....
that Bush would be held accountable by the media and/or congress for stealing the election. I mean for crying out loud the dude lied us into a war where thusands are now dead and did Bush pay a price for that? NO!
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illflem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-02-04 01:46 PM
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14. One thing good that may come of it
is that if Kerry ended up winning the by the electoral vote but not the popular vote the rep majority in congress would probably do everything in their power to eliminate the electoral vote for next time.
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Bleacher Creature Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-02-04 02:14 PM
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18. HOW could it ever be proven.
I'm not really that technologically literate. So if the argument is that the vote was hacked, how can you ever prove it w/o a paper trail.

The only thing that comes to mind would be if the hacker(s) came forward -- which isn't too likely.
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w4rma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-02-04 02:46 PM
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21. Even if the hackers came forward what would be done? Half the country
is totally nuts and literally wouldn't believe their own eyes.
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wellstone Donating Member (8 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-02-04 03:01 PM
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22. It would be the GREATEST
gift our side could ever hope for.

If there were to be irrefutable proof that the election was fixed the backlash would destroy the Red Staters, whether W could be directly implicated or not. And that backlash would be enough to tip the voting scales in our favor. I still have faith in the American people. Hey, half of 'em voted against W right? Maybe not everywhere and with everyone but we don't need 95% of the country to come to its senses. The republimuggles won (if they won at all) by a very narrow margin...all we need is 3% more in 2006 to get this country back on the right path.

And leave W in the Oval. A sorry, powerless, politcally impotent figure muttering to hisself "Dang, Rove told me they'd never suss us out..."
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LisaL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-02-04 03:12 PM
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23. Then he will be called president-in-thief.
:silly:
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