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MsTryska Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-03-04 01:52 PM
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Why Can't Americans get it together?
I look at what happened in the Ukraine and how there were mass protests and it actually worked.



We've doen it in the past, but how come we can't organize and block and get our demands heard anymore?


the Power of the People is supposed to trump any other power. How come it's not happening?





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Dora Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-03-04 01:58 PM
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1. Um, isn't there something you should be watching on TV?
I blame it on television and the mass marketplace.

The people are numb and stupid and they think they have to play by the rules.
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LisaLynne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-03-04 01:58 PM
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2. I think a lot of us are just too comfortable.
We have jobs and lives that both keep us running and unable to think about complicated and difficult things and, at the same time, are extremely comfortable. I think it's very complicated, but I think it is particularly easy to get caught up in our American lifestyle and be unable to think about the larger picture. And the fear of losing that lifestyle holds some people back.
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Angry Girl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-03-04 01:58 PM
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3. It's the media... TV tells the people what to think....
Cynical perhaps. But only 5 corporations control the big media and these 5 corporations are NOT your friends....

But we are starting to make a serious difference here: more and more reports are coming out in the mainstream press.

We must not stop now!

Keep writing to your newspapers and TV stations and political representatives! It's helping a great deal!
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gWbush is Mabus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-03-04 02:07 PM
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7. there were MANY protests before the iraq war
practically NOTHING was shown on the U.S. media reporting those protests
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Angry Girl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-03-04 02:19 PM
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12. hell, they even censured Saving Private Ryan!
They won't show the war, they won't show the dead and wounded, and they won't even show a make-believe movie about a war!!!!

Totally insulting!
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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-03-04 01:59 PM
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4. We need to hold seminars on the Constitution and its meaning....
We need to become classic liberals.
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The Wielding Truth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-03-04 02:35 PM
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14. Agreed I'm always pushing "bill of rights " Party. Another thing is
I think that there is another "silent majority" out there in America that hates this deceitful right wing stuff. I think that a lot of them are Rep too and they need to be addressed.
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disconnected Donating Member (32 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-03-04 02:04 PM
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5. we're just too fat and lazy
I wonder that as well...I suppose most folks are too busy with their own lives, many people don't even vote.
Perhpas it's because we're pacified by luxuries such as television, the internet, regular meals...who knows.
We could make a difference without even making noise, simply by refusing to support corrupt businesses, using oil in any way shape or form, refusing to go to our jobs.
I guarantee that if even a percentage such as 20% of us refused to buy anything or work, someone would listen.
But do you really know of any American willing to do anything like this.
Of course not.
Even though most of us could even survive without eating for a couple of weeks.
Too few of us are willing to make sacrifices, and that's why nothing changes.
(& I'm including myself in the lazy spoiled majority)
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Crunchy Frog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-03-04 02:08 PM
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8. Welcome to DU.
Nice first post.:hi:

I agree, most of the country is just too apathetic and complacent. It's probably going to take some real pain to really wake people up, unfortunately.
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disconnected Donating Member (32 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-03-04 11:31 PM
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16. wake up calls
thanks for the welcome crunchy frog...and yes, i do believe that it will take somne serious wake up calls...i believe that alot of the problem has to do with alot of people never believing that all these problems will ever REALLY touch them.
the only trouble is...when it finally does, will there be anything they can do about it.
things are a mess for us here in the us right now, if we don't fix it then we are heading for far more trouble than any of us realize... but you know, i'm sure that most of the folks who aren't seeing anything but GOP red think that the rapture will happen before all the huge trouble...lol.
Funny thing is that the same texts that refer to what some people think is the rapture are most likely referring to deaths of people who are trying to make things better.
(ever hear the phrase, "only the good die young"?)
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MsTryska Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-03-04 02:11 PM
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11. I'm tending to agree with you....
I guesss things jsut haven't gotten bad enough yet.
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The Wielding Truth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-03-04 02:37 PM
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15. That's part of it but we are being lead into it to consume more and
more and care less and less about how we get it.
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newyawker99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-04-04 09:28 AM
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19. Hi disconnected!!
Welcome to DU!! :toast:
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el_gato Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-03-04 02:04 PM
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6. I wouldn't put much creedence in the Ukraine protests
alot of that is being financed and supported by outside agitators.

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MsTryska Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-03-04 02:11 PM
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9. But then let's look at things like
the Boston Tea Party, hell the American Revolution, Civil Rights, Vietnam War Protestors.


I'm pretty sure if we staged an open revolt, whether pacifist or non-pacifist, it would garner attention.
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Crunchy Frog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-03-04 02:11 PM
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10. Hey, we have plenty of inside agitators
in this country. I bet that the exact same resources could be put in here and you still wouldn't see that type of response. There needs to be something to work with. The Ukrainian people seem to have it, the American people don't.
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Angry Girl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-03-04 02:24 PM
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13. I disagree! What were doing seems to be SLOWLY working!
There's more press coverage than ever in the mainstream. Not much, but it's something and it IS growing.

Also, more and more people are learning about the way voting is conducted in this so-called democracy. Most are totally incensed when they learn about it. We just need to get the info to them!

Blatant plug: Please pass it around! :-)

http://nightweed.com/usavotefacts.html
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CBHagman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-03-04 11:35 PM
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17. Some are too overwhelmed by life (job, kids, aging parents)
I think more of us would react if we didn't have to cram a lot into one day or weren't struggling to make ends meet.

A good many of us are just conditioned to be passive. Either we convince ourselves that what we do doesn't matter, or we believe that any change is too frightening to contemplate and therefor the status quo is preferable, even if it's unpleasant.

Also, to be fair, protest movements do not necessarily get automatic results. The suffragettes, the civil rights movement, the Vietnam demonstrators and many others had to struggle for every little advance, sometimes for decades.

It's not over yet.
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fkhouck Donating Member (3 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-03-04 11:45 PM
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18. Actually fulfilling the democratic agenda in a rep. controlled congress
You are right. But we need to take that power back by playing by their rules. This is a post I have been sending around to do exactly what you suggest. But in a slightly different way. We can get it back for real and its not that hard either..........

How can we expect anyone to consider that democrats stand for the peoplewhen their leadership doesn't? There is great rhetoric form the party, but rhetoric goes nowhere. For years the democratic leadership has been given a way to take over the congress and fulfill the democratic agenda and has ignored it. Discoveries have been made in the structure of our government systems that would make it possible to fix social security even raise it, provide health care to not just the uninsured but all 300 million of our people, fund education as well as all our social programs. And on top of that doesn't cost anything or even require the congress to do anything to achieve it. Does the democratic party care, “NO”. If the democratic party won't take advantage of something like this. Who do you think we are kidding.

If we can force the democratic party to actually take steps to serve the people instead of talking about wanting to serve the people, we just may resolve the parties disconnect with the people. Rhetoric is a sorry excuse for non action.......

Actually fulfilling the democratic agenda in a republican controlled
congress and executive branch, means you have a message the people want. Action instead of words...........

If you are interested in seeing this happen, pass this e-mail to at least two other people or post it in two other blogs. We need to win back the people with actions not promises....

If you are interested in the details its in this blog:

http://www.democrats.us/beta/forum/view_topic.php?id=2087&forum_id=12

Frank Houck
396 Park Way
Chula Vista, ca. 91910
619 691 1692
fkhouck@mailaka.net
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newyawker99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-04-04 09:30 AM
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20. Hi fkhouck!!
Welcome to DU!! :toast:
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