DID NOT SERVE-DID NOT SERVE-DID NOT SERVE-DID NOT SERVE-

[TruthIsAll]

|| Democrats:
||
|| * Richard Gephardt: Air National Guard, 1965-71.
|| * David Bonior: Staff Sgt., Air Force 1968-72.
|| * Tom Daschle: 1st Lt., Air Force SAC 1969-72.
|| * Al Gore: enlisted Aug. 1969; sent to Vietnam Jan. 1971 as an
|| army journalist in 20th Engineer Brigade.
|| * Bob Kerrey: Lt. j.g. Navy 1966-69; Medal of Honor, Vietnam.
|| * Daniel Inouye: Army 1943-47; Medal of Honor, WWII.
|| * John Kerry: Lt., Navy 1966-70; Silver Star, Bronze Star with
|| Combat V, Purple Hearts.
|| * Charles Rangel: Staff Sgt., Army 1948-52; Bronze Star, Korea.
|| * Max Cleland: Captain, Army 1965-68; Silver Star & Bronze Star,
|| Vietnam.
|| * Ted Kennedy: Army, 1951-53.
|| * Tom Harkin: Lt., Navy, 1962-67; Naval Reserve, 1968-74.
|| * Jack Reed: Army Ranger, 1971-1979; Captain, Army Reserve
|| 1979-91.
|| * Fritz Hollings: Army officer in WWII; Bronze Star and seven
|| campaign ribbons.
|| * Leonard Boswell: Lt. Col., Army 1956-76; Vietnam, DFCs, Bronze
|| Stars, and Soldier's Medal.
|| * Pete Peterson: Air Force Captain, POW. Purple Heart, Silver Star and Legion of Merit.
|| * Mike Thompson: Staff sergeant, 173rd Airborne, Purple Heart.
|| * Bill McBride: Candidate for Fla. Governor. Marine in Vietnam;
|| Bronze Star with Combat V.
|| * Gray Davis: Army Captain in Vietnam, Bronze Star.
|| * Pete Stark: Air Force 1955-57
|| * Chuck Robb: Vietnam
|| * Howell Heflin: Silver Star
|| * George McGovern: Silver Star & DFC during WWII.
|| * Bill Clinton: Did not serve. Student deferments. Entered draft
|| but received #311.
|| * Jimmy Carter: Seven years in the Navy.
|| * Walter Mondale: Army 1951-1953
|| * John Glenn: WWII and Korea; six DFCs and Air Medal with 18
|| Clusters.
|| * Tom Lantos: Served in Hungarian underground in WWII. Saved by
|| Raoul Wallenberg.
||
||
|| Republicans -- and these are the guys sending people to war:
||
|| * Dick Cheney: did not serve. ("More important thinds to do")
|| * Dennis Hastert: did not serve.
|| * Tom Delay: did not serve.
|| * Roy Blunt: did not serve.
|| * Bill Frist: did not serve.
|| * Mitch McConnell: did not serve.
|| * Rick Santorum: did not serve.
|| * Trent Lott: did not serve.
|| * John Ashcroft: did not serve. Seven deferments to teach
|| business.
|| * Jeb Bush: did not serve.
|| * Karl Rove: did not serve.
|| * Saxby Chambliss: did not serve. "Bad knee." Attacked Max Cleland's patriotism.
|| * Paul Wolfowitz: did not serve.
|| * Vin Weber: did not serve.
|| * Richard Perle: did not serve.
|| * Douglas Feith: did not serve.
|| * Eliot Abrams: did not serve.
|| * Richard Shelby: did not serve.
|| * Jon! Kyl: did not serve.
|| * Tim Hutchison: did not serve.
|| * Christopher Cox: did not serve.
|| * Newt Gingrich: did not serve.
|| * Don Rumsfeld: served in Navy (1954-57) as flight instructor.
|| * George W. Bush: failed to complete his six-year National Guard;
|| got assigned to Alabama so he could campaign for family friend
|| running for U.S. Senate; failed to show up for required medical
|| exam, disappeared from duty.
|| * Ronald Reagan: due to poor eyesight, served in a non-combat role making movies.
|| * B-1 Bob Dornan: enlisted after fighting was over in Korea.
|| * Phil Gramm: did not serve.
|| * John McCain: Silver Star, Bronze Star, Legion of Merit, Purple
|| Heart and Distinguished Flying Cross.
|| * Dana Rohrabacher: did not serve.
|| * John M. McHugh: did not serve.
|| * JC Watts: did not serve.
|| * Jack Kemp: did not serve. "Knee problem," although continued
|| in NFL for 8 years.
|| * Dan Quayle: Journalism unit of the Indiana National Guard.
|| * Rudy Giuliani: did not serve.
|| * George Pataki: did not serve.
|| * Spencer Abraham: did not serve.
|| * John Engler: did not serve.
|| * Lindsey Graham: National Guard lawyer.
|| * Arnold Schwarzenegger: AWOL from Austrian army base.
||
||
|| Pundits & Preachers
||
|| * Sean Hannity: did not serve.
|| * Rush Limbaugh: did not serve
|| * Bill O'Reilly: did not serve.
|| * Michael Savage: did not serve.
|| * George Will: did not serve.
|| * Chris Matthews: did not serve.
|| * Paul Gigot: did not serve.
|| * Bill Bennett: did not serve.
|| * Pat Buchanan: did not serve.
|| * John Wayne: did not serve.
|| * Bill Kristol: did not serve.
|| * Kenneth Starr: did not serve.
|| * Antonin Scalia: did not serve.
|| * Clarence Thomas: did not serve.
|| * Ralph Reed: did not serve.
|| * Michael Medved: did not serve.
|| * Charlie Daniels: did not serve.
|| * Ted Nugent: did not serve.

[GreenPartyVoter]

1. I love you. I just wanted you to know that. *hugs*

(Editing to say that I mean it. That is some great info and we need to get it out there!)

http://timeforachange.bluelemur.com/

[MNBiker]

3. Why do you pick on John Wayne, He had 3 kids at the time.....

[Hong Kong Cavalier]

18. Wow. That's incredibly callous.

How many soldiers currently serving in the military have children? How many that DIED IN IRAQ AND AFGHANISTAN have left children behind?
HOW MANY?
As I said, that's incredibly callous. I've heard that excuse ("But I've got a family") from right-wingers who didn't serve, and it makes me so fucking mad...

[floridadem30]

2. Love your posts

[merbex]

4. I gave a list like this to my rightwing neighbor earlier in the year

His only comment was "interesting"

But he never said anything to me about the Swift Boat thing

[L84TEA]

5. ROTFLMAO... Rush had a owie on his BUTT CRACK???

LMAO...! .... an oozy butt crack kept him from serving his country!

[SaintAnne]

6. thanks for the post!

makes me feel a little bit better tonight, I think I'll post it on my door tomorrow ummmm my roomie is a republican, maybe I'll just post it on the wall

[pnutchuck]

7. And yet America believes them to be more patriotic!!!

SHEEP! We need a sheep heard smiley with an elephant shephard:wtf:

[HeeBGBz]

8. You rock, TIA!

Here's your sheeple, pnutchuck.

[Turbineguy]

9. Pat Robertson

Liquor Officer

[feistydem]

10. Wow! I'm e-mailing this to everyone I know. Thanks for the hard work!

[bobthedrummer]

11. Thanks again, TIA!

Bookmarked.
:dem::kick:

[Leilani]

12. Your list is rather disingenuous

You've listed many Dems who have served, & they should be proud & we should be grateful for their service.

On the Repub side, your list includes many non-servers, however you left off many who did serve.

Ted Stevens, after McCain, is probably the highest decorated Senator.
Chuck Hagel & Tom Ridge are both decorated combat veterans.
John Warner served in the Navy & Marines.

And Rumsfeld was a Navy pilot.
And Lindsay Graham served on active duty in the Jag Corps.

And there are many, many more.

I'm grateful to all our Vets, whether Dem or Repub.

[karlrschneider]

15. And McCain of course, but you have missed the point of the lists.

:eyes:

[Leilani]

17. Yes, obviously I have missed the point

What is it?

That lots of Dems have served honorably?

Of course they have.

But I could make a long list of Republicans who have served & Dems who did not.

So what is the point?

[Hekate]

21. The POINT is that nearly all the pro-war Repubs in power did not serve

The link to the Chickenhawk database is in one of the posts below mine. As far as I know the New Hampshire Gazette originated the list.

Whether or not the the NH Gazette invented the idea, they define a Chickenhawk as a person who is rabidly pro-war, BUT when given the opportunity to enlist for a war somehow just never made the time to do so. That, my dear, is the significance of the list and its incredible preponderance of Republican Chickenhawks as opposed to Democratic veterans.

These men (and in the case of Condi Rice, a woman) are awfully damn enthusiastic about this illegal war, and almost none of them have ever served in uniform, much less experienced combat. They want your kids and mine to put their lives on the line, and they want you and me to believe that questioning their motives and methods is tantamount to treason. But nearly every one of them ducked when it was their turn.

That obscene excuse for a human being Donald Rumsfeld sent our kids out to die in the desert without sufficient bullets or water, and in numbers too small to get the job done competently -- in other words, our army can flatten a city but they can't keep the peace, and it is probably too late now to create any sort of order out of this chaos. Because Rummy, with no personal experience and dismissing the advice of seasoned generals, ordered this war done on the cheap as regards personnel and their needs.

I don't think military experience needs to be a prerequisite for becoming President, and as a contemporary of Bill Clinton's I never held it against him that he opposed the Vietnam War and excused himself from it by completely legal means (i.e. he was a scholarship student). I'm sorry that Bill fudged about that -- I think he should have said flat out that this ill-conceived war tore our nation apart, and that he did what he believed was right, as did others who made other choices.

But when Clinton became president, he did NOT do as the Chickenhawks have done: he did not invent a war and then boastfully call himself a war president, and when he believed we had to become involved in foreign conflict, he followed the advice of his generals, whom he correctly believed knew a lot more about conducting a war than he did. Clinton may have avoided Vietnam, but he did not become a Chickenhawk.

Hekate

~~Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change the world. Indeed, it is the only thing that ever has.~Margaret Meade~~

[Leilani]

22. I agree with you completely about the Chicken Hawk Theory

& I saw lists of them a long time ago.

And I agree with you that this administration is chock full of them, beginning with Dubya & his Veep.

But my point of exception, is that the lists make it look like only Dems served, & that's not true.

Also, Joe Lieberman is one of the BIGGEST chickenhawks around...he loves to go to war, as long as he's not putting his butt on the line.

And did you know that Richard Perle is a Dem?

Anyway, I see lots of hypocrisy on both sides. Remember Kerry/Edwards both voted for the IWR. And Edwards didn't serve.

And what about Colin Powell, who said we should never go to war without "An Exit Strategy?"

Too many hypocrites in politics to list them all.

[fujiyama]

23. C'mon

you should know better than anyone that Perle is as much of a Dem as Wes Clarke is a republican.

And I'm somewhat annoyed by your "pox on both houses" attitude. While you're correct there's a lot of hypocrisy on both sides, it's insulting to hear of moral equivalence.

Except in the case of Lieberman. He is a chickenhawk.

[faithnotgreed]

20. thats true. these republicans did serve and should be on that list

as well.

speaking to your post below, the fact that a majority of these people are the ones involved in policymaking and sending citizens to fight an horrifc war (among other things), makes this list both important and fascinating for many

but yes, if were going to have this list, its also important for it to be complete for both sides

[Larry in KC]

13. PLEASE don't forget...

That’s a wonderful list, but there’s a rather glaring omission, isn’t there?

Democrat:

WESLEY CLARK, first in his class at West Point, 1966.
U.S. Army, 1966 to 2000.
Awarded Silver Star for heroism in Vietnam.
Awarded Legions of Merit, Purple Heart.
Wounded four times in combat.
Promotions to rank of four-star general.
Supreme Allied Commander, Europe.
Led NATO coalition to victory in Kosovo without loss of a single American life.

[karlrschneider]

14. If you're keeping a list, you could add Tom Coburn (Senate-elect, OK)

who I've known close up & personal since 1968...did not serve.

[radar]

16. awolbush.com has a few lists/links

http://www.awolbush.com/whoserved.html
List of Present (108th) Senators Who Have Served
http://www.awolbush.com/108thsenate.asp
Complete list - members of the 106th Congress with Military Service
http://www.fra.org/leg-center-2/106th-congress/106-cong-mil-lst.html
ChickenHawk DataBase...
http://www.nhgazette.com/cgi-bin/NHGstore.cgi?user_action=list&category=%20NEWS%3B%20Chickenhawks

[faithnotgreed]

19. self delete