We need to get serious about this "war on terrorism"..

[kentuck]

Our esteemed leader said if "you harbor a terrorist, you are a terrorist". There are a reported 60 countries that are harboring al Qaeda. We need to declare these 60 countries our enemies and clean them up. No matter if we have to give up Social Security, our Constitution, or whatever it takes, we have ot defeat this enemy. We will spend whatever it takes. They are trying to kill us! I don't see how anyone can go to sleep at night with these people out there. Wake up, people! We need to take up arms against the world. Who knows how many more people are out there with box cutters??

[brainshrub]

1. Doesn't the United States harbor terrorists?

I think I read somewhere that the US has a few folks the Russians consider terrorist "masterminds".

[tuvor]

2. We must start with Saudi Arabia.

I heard a rumour that most of the 9/11 hijackers were from there.

After that, let's head to Oklahoma, where they harboured Nichols and McVeigh.

[kentuck]

4. ..and then Canada....

They let a lot of those terrorists sneak over the border into our country. They must pay !

[tuvor]

6. Actually, has that been documented?

I don't doubt you. Every country I'm sure "harbours terrorists".

But your post reminded me of the guy at the Vancouver crossing just before the millennium celebrations, who of course was caught. And I can't think of any other examples so early in the morning.

Has Canada been seen to let terrorists sneak over the border into the states?

[TomClash]

3. Don't you have to start by defining what terrorism is?

Bush equates "terrorists" with any person, group or nation that uses military force to oppose US or Israel interests or policies. That's a peculiar use of the language.

[Tace]

5. Nuke 'Em All -- That's The Ticket

Obviously, we've got to nuke an American city, then use it as an excuse to nuke all 60 countries that harbor terraists. Then, after a few years, when we've reduced the population of the Earth to under one billion, the Fourth Reich will enjoy a golden reign of 1,000 years, with no Negros. And, my precious male essence will be secure at last.

[kentuck]

7. Finally ! a person with a sense of history....

and what needs to be done. :)

[GingerSnaps]

8. Kentuck I have always valued your opinion

I have a sick feeling that things are going to get worse on our end.

Our country died on 11/2 and we lost everything that our ancestors had fought for. My ancestors in the South had their properties burnt to the ground during the civil war and we survived. I have a sick feeling that we are in a dark era now and the born agains might try to bring the world to an end. I know that sounds nuts but they are nuts and I don't mean all of them I mean the ones walking in lock step with anything that Bush does.

What can we do to organize? We need to fight the media and it needs top priority because without it we are in McCarthyism.

[kentuck]

9. I make my comments facetiously and many people take them seriously...

The "war on terror" is destroying our country. We would be better off and the world would be better of if we simply said, 'They won'... Because if we continue in the direction we are going, they have won.

[GingerSnaps]

10. My messages are kind of

Like statements to make people think. I was being a bit over the edge but I do get kind of afraid about the nutcases that wants to take us to heaven along with them.

What do we need to do to change things? Where do we start?

[kentuck]

11. Just as this post indicates, we need to change the way we talk about..

the war on terrorism. We need to show the people the ridiculous and insane path we are now on....

[Tace]

14. (Sarcasm Off) -- kentuck, I Completely Agree

I learned in high school (I went to a good school), that terrorism is a desperate response by an oppressed people. It is not a term that can be used accurately in any other way.

The only solution to the problem of real terrorism, is to address the grievances of those who are being oppressed.

That's it. That's all there is to it. End of message.

[MatrixEscape]

12. Some info:

Two historic events lead to two historic reactions:

"Hitler and Bush sought and received emergency powers to ensure further terrorist attacks would not occur. Hitler establish the Office of Fatherland Security, Bush established the Office of Homeland Security . Hitler's administration passed the patriotic "Decree on the Protection of People and State", "the Enabling Act", and Bush's administration passed "The Patriots Act." Both administrations consolidated previously independent law enforcement and investigative agencies under one umbrella."


You may want to inquire into:

From:
http://globalresearch.ca/articles/DAV411B.html

"International terrorism is contrived threat, a monumental deception carried out by governments and facilitated by mass media to justify aggression, occupation, intervention and the curtailment of human rights. This deception must be exposed as an attack by colluding governments on democracy, human rights. By permitting states to engage in gross human rights violations and aggression, the contrived threat of international terrorism may itself be considered as threat to international peace and security."

And this article, (have not checked historical acuracy):

http://www.jmcolberg.com/weblog/archives/000147.html

"You are now witnessing the beginning of a great epoch in history," he proclaimed, standing in front of the burned-out building, surrounded by national media. "This fire," he said, his voice trembling with emotion, "is the beginning." He used the occasion - "a sign from God," he called it - to declare an all-out war on terrorism and its ideological sponsors, a people, he said, who traced their origins to the Middle East and found motivation for their evil deeds in their religion.

Two weeks later, the first detention center for terrorists was built in Oranianberg to hold the first suspected allies of the infamous terrorist. In a national outburst of patriotism, the leader's flag was everywhere, even printed large in newspapers suitable for window display.

Within four weeks of the terrorist attack, the nation's now-popular leader had pushed through legislation - in the name of combating terrorism and fighting the philosophy he said spawned it - that suspended constitutional guarantees of free speech, privacy, and habeas corpus. Police could now intercept mail and wiretap phones; suspected terrorists could be imprisoned without specific charges and without access to their lawyers; police could sneak into people's homes without warrants if the cases involved terrorism.

[ConcernedNonpartisan]

13. Terrorism has won!

The reason for "terrorism" is to strike fear in others.

Look at us. Nibbling away at our freedom, restricting "free speech", spending millions (errrr billions?) on "security" (that doesn't make us any more secure), fighting a war (that has NOTHING to do with terrorism) and using terms like "homeland", "tsar", ect..

THAT is fear! The truly sad part of it. . ."our" government promotes this fear and others simply use it to get rich(er) with little or no regard to the end result.

[charlie]

15. Bush needs to get serious about the WoT

He's asked for no sacrifices in this historic endeavor to Banish Evil From the World. None. And the Armchair Generals explode with indignation at the suggestion that their exciting lifestyles should be inconvenienced for the good of the nation. That has to end.

The threat of free-ranging Evil is bigger than Communism, bigger than the Axis. We've never faced an enemy more shadowy, widespread, and dangerous than Evil.

More troops are needed in Iraq. Many more. It's ridiculous that we have to flatten cities that were "pacified" earlier. At this rate, we'll have to re-invade Iraq by next March.

Gas-rationing. We need it, our military needs the fuel. A draft. Evil never rests, troop levels must be larger than the tasks at hand. Taxes. The WoT can't be run on credit forever, everybody's got to chip in. National industries. Time for Boeing, GE, Detroit, and the like to retool for war, and our citizenry to take minimum-wage slots in the effort.

We all do with less today or Evil will kill us tomorrow. The ghosts of our illustrious forebears who stared down Hitler, Stalin, and Mao are watching and are dismayed.

It's way past time for our deeply unserious president and public to get fucking serious about the menace that will gut us in our sleep and eat our children if we don't cut it down NOW.

[Gregorian]

16. And don't forget those drug addicts.

That war isn't over either. It's war war war. At least until everyone is white and in a suit and tie.















And while I'm here, I should say I'm AntiProLife. That's how I'm putting it now.