KERRY WON!

[Brundle_Fly]

I have no doubt of it now, the fraud is apparent on so many levels.

I am sure Kerry got the popular vote, there is no way * could get 3.5 million votes more than Kerry. and * is just sitting there laughing as the Dem's look inward to try to figure out what went wrong. WAKE UP PEOPLE.

What went wrong is the election was stolen, I am very very pissed. The United States of America is dead to me now, all of the things we stood for are gone, and using them as a launching pad to some patriotic drivel to keep the population is line is unacceptable.

I say its time to fight!

FUCK THE BOZO'S!

[CarbonDate]

1. I'm sorry, but....

Nope, not it.

[Der Blaue Engel]

6. Could you possibly use a smaller-bandwidth image

next time you post a tired cliche in pictures?

[CarbonDate]

17. Um, no.

If the 92k image is a problem for you, then I'm sorry. But it's a little hard to find images with a lower bandwidth than that.

[Der Blaue Engel]

23. My bad, I didn't check the actual size of the image, just assumed

It must have been my network or the image server being slow at the time. I think I was just a little irritated because I hate that trope and my brain is about to implode from this whole post-election situation and people telling me I'm in denial.

[Brundle_Fly]

my thoughts exactly. n/t

92 k isnt brutal, but it must be being served off a 14.4 modem....took 3 mins on my T1

[personman]

2. I'd love to agree with you...

nothing would please me more then seeing the majority of americans aren't stupid enough to vote for bush, but unfortunately I've not seen sufficient evidence to prove it.

[tridim]

4. Try opening your eyes maybe?

[personman]

12. Feel free to enlighten me.

I'm in Ohio, luckily my county was blue. My eyes are open as wide as I can get them, if your privy to some information that suggests 120,000 votes were forged I'd love to hear it, or see a link to it. Or if you'd rather prove the whole 3.5 million were forged, I'm not stopping you.

[papau]

16. 65000 votes switched is the soon to be filed court case -a 130,000

change - a 10,000 vote Kerry win.

We will see if true - but it is not yet a done deal that Bush won.

[personman]

21. That'd be beautiful...

rethugs crying in the streets, winning the popular election and losing the electoral. Would be 2000 in reverse, I think that might be considered poetic justice. I certainly hope/expect we get the recount if what your saying is even possibly true. Do you have any links to any reputable sites mentioning those figures?

[The Doctor.]

24. That's the problem....

There are reputable site with SOME info, but they're terrified of looking like extremists.
I checked the facts against the county-by county vote totals and found that the 'left wing' sites aren't off in their facts by more than 15%.
(Given that vote totals exceeded by as much as 1100%, that's not too significant.)

I spent Days combing over stuff- I'll see what I can find for you from more 'reputable' sites.

[The Doctor.]

22. It's true - we have seen no 'proof' yet....

But if you look at the amount and depth of these 'irregularities' (I prefer 'Glaring indications'), then you will know it is true too.

Even Peterson didn't have this much circumstantial evidence against him.
We're talking orders of magnitude.

So to not realize this was a rigged election, you would either have to have a very complex denial apparatus or be Bush** supporter.

Around here people try to enlighten themselves, but since you want information that 'suggests' fraud... here you go;

http://blackboxvoting.org/
http://blog.democrats.com/node/430
http://memes.org/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=article&sid=3667&mode=thread&order=0&thold=0
http://shadowbox.i8.com/stolen.htm

http://www.onlisareinsradar.com/archives/002324.php

Those should keep you busy fact-checking for a few hours.

[vol5516]

3. nope

no, sorry.

[Justyce]

5. Well, I agree with you! n/t

[Gman]

7. All the bullshit about "lack of a clear message" just covers

their tracks. They know damn well the election was rigged.

[knowbody0]

20. clear message not available

because the media never ever allowed it to be aired. swift boat vets for truth were given more coverage than john kerry

[Township75]

8. So how are you going to fight?

When you say it is time to fight, what are YOU willing to do?

[Der Blaue Engel]

9. I'm with you Brundle Fly

If realistic skepticism towards a corrupt political system means I'm in denial, then I'll join you in the swim. I hear it's lovely there this time of year.

[Brundle_Fly]

19. his eyes open.

FUCK THE BOZO'S

[bullimiami]

10. it was rigged. i agree.

not just this one. the massive fraud that has been foisted on us since 2000 is unprecedented. Bush, Senators, Congresspeople, Sonny Perdue, who knows what else.

anyone who doesnt see it is just blind.

[pretzel4gore]

28. 911 itself

many people are afraid to admit it, but rudy gulliani, for example has stated that a 'disaster' training exercise' was taking place at the very same times as the wtc disaster unfolded, couple that with the nonsense about cell phone call from hijacked jet to bush lawyer olsen (the same joker who pressured US supremes to stop florida recount, thus seating geeb in algore's office) etc etc etc....even the way the network news orgs have doctored their archival records (one example, arlen spector saying 'not only did we have enough to connect the dots, we had the blueprint for 911!...cbs news posted the transcript, then suddenly edited out spector's words' we had the blueprint etc)...as you say, bulli, anyone who can't see isn't looking, or is looking but with eyes shut, or is blind...lol

[SammyWinstonJack]

11. Of course Kerry won

I never doubted that for one minute. The chimp knows that as well, which is why he is even more arrogant than usual. Two stolen elections! :argh: :mad: :grr:

[Brundle_Fly]

13. All of it adds up....

I am not going to even begin to the obvious fraud in Ohio, that has been well documented. If you can imagine the lengths they have gone thru to cover up these ones we know about, could you really believe that is all there is? Doubtful.

Exit Polls. duh.

The Media does not do it's job. and no one seems to question why.
I haven't seen a negative story on "W" since 9/11. It is ludicrous to think he isn't the worst president ever. Look at the state of the world.

This is all adding up, if they can take us to a war based on lies, that no one wanted to have anyways, and not be questioned, and the media doesn't question anything the gov't does, and the corporations are the only ones getting ahead in the country, do you think the government gives 2 shits about the people?

I am f*cking pissed.

[The Wielding Truth]

14. One more American removed from the Matrix.

Only 40% to go. Figure 8% fraudulent votes to correct.

[Lone Pawn]

15. Just keep tellin' yourself that.

It worked really well the past four years.
It'll work really well the next four.
Until we lose *another* election.

[The Doctor.]

25. Well, many more serious steps are being taken this time...

And while I can't say they will bear fruit, I can hope that these will be the catalyst to ultimately get rid of these machines with no paper trail and 'central tabulators'.

[Brundle_Fly]

18. WHAT TO DO.

I am not sure.

America is full of people living in fear, they know that, they made it happen. Fear of terrorism, fear of losing your job, fear of questioning authority, fear of guns, blacks, gangs, serial killers, CIA, etc etc...
40% on drugs to regulate mood, 60% obesity rate.

How can you mobilize a immobilized nation?

I want to let it be known I am not a tinfoil hatter, I am the president of a small corporation, I stand to gain for Bush being in power.

But at what expense, the freedoms we all think we have/had? More gated communities? Bullshit. It's time to speak out, we all say the same things, shop blue, ban walmart, but it's not a mobilized concept, it's a few guys...(all fearful) typing on computers....

we need to look at the guerrilla marketing campaigns of old, and take them to they next level, email, graffiti, phone banks, bigger better..

I don't want to live in Russia, but I fear I already am.

DISINFORMATION IS THEIR GAME...LET'S PLAY IT TOO

[pretzel4gore]

29. yes, we need to select soft targets...walmart, foxnews/smearchannel,

that novak punk, and hammer away at them....relentlessly! until they're dust in wind

[billie_]

26. I agree, Kerry won, BUT why isn't he saying it with us? n/t

[Brundle_Fly]

27. proof

he is out acknowledging the fraud.

Until there is actual proof, it is hard to not look desperate, of have the white house attack dogs come out and discredit you.

whoohoo 600 posts!

[billie_]

31. i hope he is acknowledging it...

but i really don't understand how saying that there is a problem with the votes is a problem, the anomalies are obviously something EVERY ONE should be concerned about regardless whether Repub or Dem...and certainly, the evidence we have is more than in the Ukraine and Bu$h, Powell and Luger are all up in arms about that....

anyway, i am with Kerry, i just hope he is with me!

[bones_7672]

30. The Fat Lady has sung.

And it is a funeral dirge for the Kerry/Edwards campaign. No one is going to overturn the Ohio election now, no judge, no senator. All the allegations and speculations and statistics are for naught.

[Chicago Democrat]

32. Let us try... they have to wait until it is certified before the recount..

[bush_is_wacko]

33. I'm afraid you are

probably right. And there are more and more indications that the American zombies are too busy watching tv and buying Christmas goodies to notice or care what is going on.