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montana500 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-04 02:21 PM
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Fineman says Bush is a moderate
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fertilizeonarbusto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-04 02:22 PM
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1. He ought to lay off the drugs
especially at work.
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Maat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-04 02:23 PM
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2. Right.
And the Pope is Jewish. Right. All moderates hang around characters like D. James Kennedy and James Dobson, giving them more info. than our Senate Intelligence Committee members.

Does Finey have a brain?
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hatrack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-04 02:24 PM
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3. Howard the Duck - trapped in a world he never made
Edited on Tue Dec-07-04 02:24 PM by hatrack
And, apparently, trapped in a world he has never visited.
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Rambis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-04 02:25 PM
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4. Dude pass the bong!
WTF? Moderate Nazi?:wtf:
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HerbieHeadhunter Donating Member (382 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-04 02:27 PM
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5. Herbie says Fineman is a douche
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Pirate Smile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-04 02:28 PM
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6. I was going to say Fineman is insane but Bush clearly doesn't govern
Edited on Tue Dec-07-04 02:29 PM by Pirate Smile
like a "conservative" in foreign policy, spending or growth of government.

He is a freaky "neo-conservative" on foreign policy.

Since the RW fundies took over their party, I don't know what the hell they are anymore with domestic policy.
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hijinx87 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-04 03:17 PM
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17. "nation building" used to be our domain.
although they have probably defiled it so badly that it may be twisted out of shape forever. I find what is happening in Iraq right now being conducted under the rubric of "nation building" to be perhaps the most damaging aspect of the entire bush era

his immigration policies are actually interesting, although I find the whole driver's license facet of the argument to be a minor issue. the guest worker bill could have been the work of a hypothetical president gore.


beyond that, I don't see anything that resembles moderation . . .

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drdon326 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-04 02:29 PM
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7. Moderately PSYCHOTIC or moderately STUPID?? N/T
.
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Snivi Yllom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-04 02:32 PM
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8. Fineman the media whore in action
Howie, you may want to wipe off your mouth after blowing *.
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Old and In the Way Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-04 02:32 PM
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9. Is that what we call criminals today?
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stray cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-04 02:34 PM
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10. Bush not a "traditional conservative" explains Fineman
Fineman's explanation:

"If you look at it, Bush is not a “conservative,” at least as that word was used until recently. He’s not a fiscal conservative, especially not if he’s proposing to borrow trillions on a bet that the stock market will support Social Security. He’s not conservative in the sense of being wary of new governmental ideas — his agenda is brimming with proposals that call for radical, fundamental transformations in the role of government. He isn't conservative in the old “states-rights” way and, after 9/11 it might well be foolish to expect him to be. He is a conservative on social issues — especially on abortion and the definition of marriage — but is that enough to keep all the other voters who call themselves conservatives happy? We’re about to find out". 
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Pirate Smile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-04 05:33 PM
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22. Bush is a Radical, not a Conservative or Moderate.
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jrthin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-04 02:34 PM
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11. I Say Fineman is
a complete idiot.
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Demit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-04 02:34 PM
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12. No he doesn't--at least not in that article you link to.
He says he's not a conservative, that his agenda is radical. I'm no fan of H Fineman, but your paraphrasing is giving the wrong impression here.
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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-04 02:43 PM
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13. It's so sad when you see someone lose his reality base.
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liberal N proud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-04 02:45 PM
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14. If that is moderate, I would hate to see extreem right wing
More propaganda!
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high density Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-04 03:02 PM
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15. I don't think Fineman is calling Bush a moderate in that article
Edited on Tue Dec-07-04 03:03 PM by high density
I think he's just pointing out how Bush is not a conservative (spending/foreign policy/massive change/etc.) "Radical corporatist" is the group that I'd put him in. The war has been about corporate profits for oil companies and defense contractors, the tax cuts were for the rich, and now we need to "reform" Social Security to help out Wall St. a little more.

I think you should read the article one more time.
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ibegurpard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-04 03:06 PM
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16. Didn't read it but if your take is correct
then absolutely that should be pointed out. Fineman deserves little support but if he's stating that Bush, like the other neo-cons and radicals, is NOT a true conservative then he is correct. There are very few true conservatives left in the Radipublican Party.
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dogman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-04 03:22 PM
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19. I read what you read.
This shows how intellectually lazy the rethugs are. They don't even know they're voting for someone who doesn't share their values. They see the letter R and want to win at any price. Kind of like the pro-McCain support we've seen in some Dems.
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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-04 03:17 PM
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18. ...a moderate cocaine user maybe
He probably drinks heavily.
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VTdem Donating Member (188 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-04 03:29 PM
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20. howard fineman is a fool
Edited on Tue Dec-07-04 03:30 PM by VTdem
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killbotfactory Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-04 04:22 PM
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21. A moderate what? Fascist? Theocrat?
enquiring minds want to know...
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w4rma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-04 05:36 PM
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23. He's no moderate. He's a radical neo-con. Note, the word "moderate" is not
Edited on Tue Dec-07-04 05:37 PM by w4rma
in that article.
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UpsideDownFlag Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-04 05:36 PM
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24. fineman is wrong. nt
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Supersedeas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-04 08:50 AM
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25. Rove smiles - Fineman is invited now.
damn that liberal media.
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tsuki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-04 09:03 AM
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26. Ah, conservatives are being to distance themselves from the
Refundicans. Interesting. "He's the radical, we're still kewl...Not."
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The Zanti Regent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-04 09:39 AM
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27. Wipe the brown lipstick off of your face, WHOREWARD!
Never have I seen someone who flaunts the brown lipstick like this whore!
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