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lindashaw Donating Member (921 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-04 08:10 AM
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Joe Biden was just on Imus. He's thinking about running again.
His reasoning is, he's ready to really lay out the truth, and he's not sure America is ready for the truth. He also said that if the ideology of this war isn't changed and changed soon, there is going to be a "mini-revolt" in this country. And it will start, he said, by Republicans in the Congress.

That would just be too good.
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Sperk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-04 08:12 AM
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1. half of america already knows the truth...we're not as dumb as
bush looks.

n/t
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hollowdweller Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-04 08:12 AM
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2. I thought it was interesting that he was brought down by borrowing lines

From Kinoch's(sp?) speeches, but Reagan quoted old movies all the time and that was OK.
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Killarney Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-04 12:18 PM
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14. what happened with this?
I don't know the whole story. Can someone recap?

I've always admired Biden's willingness to tell it like it is. I know that there was some scandal but never knew what it was.
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demokatgurrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-04 01:24 PM
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15. Here's a book:
Read "What it takes" by Richard Ben Kramer. It's about the 1988 election and you may have to got a library but it's VERY well written and very insightful, and helps you understand why Hart and Biden didn't make the cut. Considering that it covers all the candidates, it really does a good job in developing all their personalities etc.

I'd love to see this guy write a book explaining how Dubya ever got there.
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blackangrydem Donating Member (361 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-04 08:17 AM
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3. He's been running for years IMO
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johnnie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-04 08:23 AM
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4. I go back and forth on this guy
Sometimes Biden is just confusing.
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Catchawave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-04 08:26 AM
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5. "Don't pay advisors to tell you what to say"
I liked this comment !
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Cheswick2.0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-04 09:03 AM
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7. look at what a statement of failure that is
the democrats know they are waiting for republicans to lead them. Why isn't the mini revolution being led by democrats months ago?
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mtnsnake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-04 09:21 AM
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8. Biden's one of the few, besides Dean, who speaks his mind.
He's always impressed me. On CNN the other day he lashed out with the same "truth" theme about Iraq after returning from there, saying how Iraq is nothing at all like how the administration and media are painting it. He said it's much worse and Americans need to know the truth. It wasn't just how he said it; it was the way he delivered his rhetoric. He was tough.
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RamboLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-04 10:09 AM
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9. Here's what he said on CNN
BROWN: Senator, for the last four years you've been in and out of Iraq as much as probably anyone in the Senate. Is it better or worse?

SEN. JOSEPH BIDEN (D), DELAWARE: It's worse. It's gotten worse every time, Aaron. This is my fourth trip. We need considerably more security. We got fired on. The Green Zone was fired on, a significant number of casualties unrelated to our visit. You've been reporting the toll. It's less secure.

BROWN: How can it be that given the daily reports of how many insurgents we kill that we take this city or we take that city, how can it be -- and how much we've spent both in lives and in dollars, how can it be that it is less safe today than it was a year ago?

BIDEN: Because we can win our objectives. We can't secure them. Let me be precise. I was in Falluja, met with our commanding generals and the entire combat staff that was there. There must have been 40 people in the room.

They're frank to tell us that they -- of the incredible job, which was obvious, our young warriors have done, how concerned they were about being able to get people back into the city but pointing out that that job requires them to stay in Falluja, yet they know full well that a significant number of the insurgents before we got there and after we were there have gone to the surrounding cities and they got to go move out, move them out of those cities.

They got the biggest hornet's nest but the hornets have gone up and set up nests other places. And further, because we had given the insurgency so much time they've gotten much more sophisticated. It is the former Ba'athists. There's an awful lot of sophisticated military persons in the Saddam regime who are running the show now and we simply don't have enough forces.

I will tell you one general, one major officer as I was getting into the helicopter they waited until the noise of the helicopter was so loud no one could hear, ran up and grabbed me and just as I was about to board the helicopter to head to Baghdad and said, "Senator, anybody who tells you we don't need forces here is a G.D. liar."

BROWN: So, when Iraqi officials come to Washington and they say things are getting great, they're getting better all the time and the president nods and agrees somebody is not telling somebody the truth here.

BIDEN: Well, that's true but, if you notice, the president of Iraq came this time and he didn't say things were getting a lot better. He said they were tough and he needed more help.

BROWN: This notion that no longer is the road from the U.S. Embassy to the airport secure enough for people to travel tells you about everything you need to know about how...

BIDEN: Absolutely.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0412/06/asb.01.html
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placton Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-04 03:03 PM
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17. so, Biden toes the GOP Party line - AGAIN!
-the insurgency is not patriots, but former Ba'athists
-"our young heroes" doin' a great job (of murdering)
-need more troops and killing

please, spare me - the claims that Biden is really OK
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TheDonkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-04 11:18 AM
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10. I would like to see that!! I wish he was out Sec. of State right now
in the Kerry Admin. The two were definetly friends, Biden just seemed to have more oratorical fire even though they both had similair messages.
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-04 12:10 PM
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11. Great!!!
Another "Blue State" Senator with a lifetime record.

Maybe he would be tougher....but I still foresee the same problems.

On a superficial but realistic note--Are the American people ready for a President with clearly evident Hair Plugs?

On a serious note--He's one pompous Ass, but then so is George Bush, so I guess that part is ok.
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marc_the_dem Donating Member (222 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-04 12:13 PM
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12. The "mini-revolt"
is this the unravelling of the republican party?
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IStriker Donating Member (408 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-04 12:15 PM
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13. Joe Biden spends his life thinking about running....
who cares?
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ernstbass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-04 01:54 PM
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16. I like Joe Biden
and his comments about the revolt within the repug party were absolutely enticing!!!!
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