BROWN: Senator, for the last four years you've been in and out of Iraq as much as probably anyone in the Senate. Is it better or worse?
SEN. JOSEPH BIDEN (D), DELAWARE: It's worse. It's gotten worse every time, Aaron. This is my fourth trip. We need considerably more security. We got fired on. The Green Zone was fired on, a significant number of casualties unrelated to our visit. You've been reporting the toll. It's less secure.
BROWN: How can it be that given the daily reports of how many insurgents we kill that we take this city or we take that city, how can it be -- and how much we've spent both in lives and in dollars, how can it be that it is less safe today than it was a year ago?
BIDEN: Because we can win our objectives. We can't secure them. Let me be precise. I was in Falluja, met with our commanding generals and the entire combat staff that was there. There must have been 40 people in the room.
They're frank to tell us that they -- of the incredible job, which was obvious, our young warriors have done, how concerned they were about being able to get people back into the city but pointing out that that job requires them to stay in Falluja, yet they know full well that a significant number of the insurgents before we got there and after we were there have gone to the surrounding cities and they got to go move out, move them out of those cities.
They got the biggest hornet's nest but the hornets have gone up and set up nests other places. And further, because we had given the insurgency so much time they've gotten much more sophisticated. It is the former Ba'athists. There's an awful lot of sophisticated military persons in the Saddam regime who are running the show now and we simply don't have enough forces.
I will tell you one general, one major officer as I was getting into the helicopter they waited until the noise of the helicopter was so loud no one could hear, ran up and grabbed me and just as I was about to board the helicopter to head to Baghdad and said, "Senator, anybody who tells you we don't need forces here is a G.D. liar."BROWN: So, when Iraqi officials come to Washington and they say things are getting great, they're getting better all the time and the president nods and agrees somebody is not telling somebody the truth here.
BIDEN: Well, that's true but, if you notice, the president of Iraq came this time and he didn't say things were getting a lot better. He said they were tough and he needed more help.
BROWN: This notion that no longer is the road from the U.S. Embassy to the airport secure enough for people to travel tells you about everything you need to know about how...
BIDEN: Absolutely.
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