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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-04 03:25 PM
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Dean said we need a 50 state strategy...DLC agrees today.
http://www.ndol.org/ndol_ci.cfm?kaid=127&subid=171&contentid=253055

Democrats can't be a national party if they cede all of red America to the GOP. They must compete in the heartland. Here's how they can do it.
By Will Marshall

I have not absorbed it all yet, quite long. This just out. I will read it all later.
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greenohio Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-04 03:36 PM
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1. The DLC is taking cues from Dean?
From the article:
Let's face facts: America is at war, and the public isn't yet convinced that Democrats have the stomach for the fight. Democrats themselves seem unsure of their true identity: Are they the anti-war party or the party of tough-minded liberals, the party of Gov. Howard Dean or the party of Sen. Joe Biden? Resolving this ambivalence is essential to making headway in the heartland states.
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realFedUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-04 03:37 PM
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2. maybe if a Democrat had diffused the word "terrorism" early on
This reads like the DNC wasn't responsible
for the last campaign election....kind of like Bush
pretending he wasn't president for the last four years.
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Cheswick2.0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-04 03:38 PM
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3. LOL, I am positive that the DLC 50 state strategy is a very
different thing than what DFA has in mind.
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RubyDuby in GA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-04 03:40 PM
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4. Me too. I don't think Dean
is going to suggest all Democrats in every state bend over and take it just because the GOP wants us to.

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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-04 03:45 PM
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6. Great pic, Ruby.
:hi:
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RubyDuby in GA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-04 04:17 PM
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8. No no no....this is a great pic
Edited on Wed Dec-08-04 04:18 PM by RubyDuby in GA
I'm in the blue (of course!)




On edit: Damn that is a large pic - I will learn to crop. I swear!
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-04 05:13 PM
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9. Wow, what a lovely picture of all of you. Jealous.
:hi:
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janx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-04 08:49 PM
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20. This populist message of Dean's is what some Dems in
power find alarming.

It is quintessentially American and defines what democracy is supposed to be about. That is what being "from the democratic wing of the Democratic" party meant. It didn't mean that he was more "liberal" than the rest or anything like that. It meant that it was time to reclaim democracy.

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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-04 03:44 PM
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5. Yeh, I had my tongue in my cheek, Ches.
:hi:
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Cheswick2.0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-04 08:39 PM
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16. Yes, I figured that
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Radical Activist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-04 03:51 PM
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7. It sounds like a 50 state strategy at first
but after reading the article, it isn't. The article starts to talk about the specific heartland states where we can win and how to do that. I think the fact that the article implies the need to move beyond the usual blue states is recognition that people want a 50 state party. Jesse Jackson was talking about the need to campaign in 50 states the weekend after the election, so there is a growing consensus about that. But after reading the whole article it sounds like more of the same lines about how to win a few more states in the south and midwest, while still ignoring others.

I also noticed that a consensus exists on the issues to focus on. This article named health care and the budget as the top issues, just like Dean did in the speech posted today.

from the article:
"A Democratic heartland strategy would build on the Kerry campaign's big advantages on economic and domestic issues like health care; tap growing public discontent with a big-spending, debt-laden federal government controlled entirely by Republicans; offer a distinctly Democratic alternative on national security; and challenge the GOP's claim to be the party of moral and family values."

So at first Dean and the DLC agree on what issues we need to talk about. Yet, when you get further into the article it takes a different path. This article is kind of schizophrenic. It talks about economic issues but warns against economic populism. It talks about taking back moral issues but only wants to do that by being a little better than the Republicans on social morality issues.

At least there are some things that everyone in the party agrees on like the need to campaign in more states and the need to stop letting Republicans control the moral values debate.

I like the approach people like Jesse Jackson and Thomas Frank are advocating for an economic populist message in all 50 states. They take it much further than talking about health care and the budget.

Jackson has a great article about taking the moral high ground here:
http://www.suntimes.com/output/jesse/cst-edt-jesse09.html

I think the DLC is way off and it looks like Dean is somewhere in the middle.
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janx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-04 05:53 PM
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10. "the Kerry campaign's big advantages"
I think the purpose of this note from the DLC is fairly obvious... ;-)
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Radical Activist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-04 06:21 PM
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11. You think they want Kerry again?
I don't think it sounded like that. I think the article is describing Lieberman, who they really wanted. They probably want a southern conservative this time. I'm all for a southerner, but not a conservative one.
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janx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-04 07:47 PM
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14. They're trying to cover their collective a*ses.
This is essentially a PR reaction to Dean's speech.
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DFLforever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-04 06:59 PM
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12. Dean once again is setting the agenda and framing the debate
Edited on Wed Dec-08-04 07:01 PM by DFLforever
for the party. He's pulled out in front as leader of the Democratic Party whether he's finally selected as DNC chair or not.
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Radical Activist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-04 08:29 PM
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15. Actually a lot of people have been saying this stuff
but it's good that Dean says it too because he gets more attention.
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Zorra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-04 07:44 PM
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13. *snarf* Will Marshall is a warmongering PNAC propagandist plant.
Edited on Wed Dec-08-04 07:48 PM by Zorra
I'm sure he gets paid very, very well for the corporations that he writes for. Make no mistake, this man is an excellent propagandist and very dangerous to the continued existence of the Democratic Party. Here is what "Right Web" says about this regressive mealy mouthed weasel:

Will Marshall along with Al From co-founded the Democratic Leadership Council (DLC) in 1985. Four years later Marshall founded closely affiliated Progressive Policy Institute (PPI), a think tank that shares offices with the DLC. Marshall and From were both staffers for Representative Gillis Long of Louisiana, who was the chairman of the House Democratic Party Caucus in the early 1980s. Marshall served as Long's speechwriter and policy analyst. Marshall was senior editor of the 1984 House Democratic Caucus policy blueprint, "Renewing America's Promise". (1)

Marshall helped establish the Democratic Leadership Council in the wake of Walter Mondale's landslide defeat. The DLC has aimed to create a "New Democrat movement" to move the party toward the center-right in domestic, global economy, and foreign policy issues. Part of the DLC's success can be attributed to the agenda-setting capacities of the Progressive Policy Institute, the DLC think tank that Marshall founded in 1989. Called "Bill Clinton's idea mill," the Progressive Policy Institute was responsible for many of the Clinton administration's initiatives, including the national service agency AmeriCorps.
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Marshall was one of 15 analysts who wrote the Progressive Policy Institute's foreign policy blueprint, "Progressive Internationalism: A Democratic National Security Strategy". (2) Using language that mirrors that of the neoconservative Project for the New American Century (PNAC), in October 2003 PPI hailed the "tough-minded internationalism" of past Democratic presidents such as Harry Truman. Like PNAC, which warned of the present danger in its founding documents, the Progressive Policy Institute declared that "America is threatened once again" and needs assertive individuals committed to strong leadership. Its observation--"like the cold war, the struggle we face today is likely to last not years but decades"--mirrors both neoconservative and Bush administration national security assessments. In its words, PPI endorsed the invasion of Iraq, "because the previous policy of containment was failing," and Saddam Hussein's government was "undermining both collective security and international law."

Like PNAC and the Bush administration, the Progressive Policy Institute has a vision of national security that extends to fostering democracy and freedom around the world in "the belief that America can best defend itself by building a world safe for individual liberty and democracy." It's likely that PNAC itself would heartily agree with PPI's criticism of those who complain that "the Bush administration has been too radical in recasting America's national security strategy." In fact, in assessing the Bush administration's foreign policy agenda, the institute stated, "we believe it has not been ambitious enough or imaginative enough." (2) (3)

http://rightweb.irc-online.org/ind/marshall/marshall.php

And here is Marshall in the posted article:

Most rank-and-file Democrats, of course, are just as patriotic and zealous about vindicating our national honor as any Republican. But let's be honest: Cultural elites with influence in the party often give off more than a whiff of fashionable anti-Americanism. They tend to equate patriotism with jingoism, see America more as a global bully than as a victim of a terrorist conspiracy, haul out the tired Vietnam metaphor anytime U.S. troops encounter difficulty abroad, and are as hypercritical of America's faults as they are forgiving of those of our adversaries.

Take Iraq. It's one thing to say, as many thoughtful Democrats do, that the war in Iraq was a mistake. But it's quite another to depict it as the expression of a new U.S. imperialism, or as a Bush family vendetta, or as a plot to grab Middle East oil, or, most ludicrously of all, as a pretext to enrich Halliburton. What leftish elites smugly imagine is a sophisticated view of their country's flaws strikes much of America as a false and malicious cartoon. And while heartland voters may be too reluctant to hear reasoned criticism of U.S. policies, they are essentially right in believing that America has mostly been an indispensable force for good in the world. So let the glitterati in Hollywood and Cannes fawn over Michael Moore; Democrats should have no truck with the rancid anti-Americanism of the conspiracy-mongering left.

http://www.ndol.org/ndol_ci.cfm?cp=2&kaid=127&subid=171&contentid=25305



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Cheswick2.0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-04 08:40 PM
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17. thanks for the information
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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-04 08:45 PM
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18. Again, Wisconsin voted Kerry/Edwards to victory in November.
Oregon too. Who else?
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Pepperbelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-04 08:48 PM
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19. Every professional pol and functionary in the party is dodging ...
Edited on Wed Dec-08-04 08:53 PM by Pepperbelly
the real reason for their losses: the organization is pitifully prepared to refute the other side's crap. When our people go on the shows, they are absurdly unprepared for what they will get. They are rarely in command of the specific facts, they try to stick to lame assed talking points that do not get to the point in a way that actually clashes with what the gop says and even the pols themselves have tin ears about what people want to hear.

Just once in the debates ... just once, when Georgie brought up that LAME fucking $87 billion, why didn't Kerry ONCE point out to Georgie's face that Georgie had delivered a veto message if he didn't get every bit of it his way. "Who is the flip flopper, George? Both of us maybe but only one of us depends on people not knowing the full record. You should be ashamed for clouding the record with deception, half-truth, and zero responsibility."

Easy as shit and Georgie's $87 billion is gone.

Virtually every single issue had a way that it could have been handled in such a way as to make it radioactive for Bush to continue yet, they did not manage it with a single one of them.

They are drawing their professional paychecks and they are so homogenized that their advice is worthless and when they cash their paychecks, they should do so looking at least vaguely ashamed, like the hound dog caught trying to swipe fried chicken off the table.
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