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Thu Dec-09-04 08:56 AM
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| Poll question: Was John Stuart Mill Right Or Wrong? |
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"...over his body and mind the individual is sovereign"
-John Stuart Mill
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| trotsky
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Thu Dec-09-04 08:59 AM
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| 1. Yes, he was right or wrong. |
| TN al
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Thu Dec-09-04 08:59 AM
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| 2. And he was right again when he said... |
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..."not all conservatives are stupid, but most stupid people are conservative."
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| DemocratSinceBirth
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Thu Dec-09-04 09:04 AM
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| 3. He Was Referrimng To The Tories Of Course... |
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On Liberty is still one of the best books I have ever read ...
I also liked Rousseau's Social Contract and On The Origins Of Inequality...
The Communist Manifesto is a great polemic... I like Marx's slashing writing style in it...
I also like some of Burke's writing...
I found the Leviathan tedious reading....
One Dimensional Man by Herbert Marcuse is a good read...
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| lip-sink
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Thu Dec-09-04 09:17 AM
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sovereignty implies a liberal causal autonomy that is spurious.
i reply with a hegelian interjection of dialectic equilibrium: "over his body and mind the individual is sovereign" in the context of the objective freedom which is the ideal form of his concrete subjective capacities...
gotta vote no here. mill's notion of individual liberty was a paltry update on bentham's.
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| DemocratSinceBirth
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Thu Dec-09-04 09:19 AM
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does that then mean "over his body and mind society is sovereign"?
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| lip-sink
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Thu Dec-09-04 01:20 PM
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no. but the idea of individual autonomy, in the liberal tradition which spans the classical liberals, the utilitarians or kant and his ilk, invokes a notion of the self-enlosed or atomized self. a very impoverished and anglo-american condition.
see "methodological individualism"...
seems to me its neither society nor the self but rather some sort of interpenetration of both, the one and the many...
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Thu Dec-09-04 01:32 PM
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| 7. Yes, this leads to the fallacy of the "self made man" |
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Edited on Thu Dec-09-04 01:32 PM by DireStrike
And is the sort of peculiar thinking that conservatives employ.
Note though, how easy it is for them to explain away to societal influence the failures and shortcomings of their leaders.
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| DemocratSinceBirth
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Thu Dec-09-04 05:32 PM
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If the indiviual isn't sovereign over hiw own mind and body who is?
George Bush
The Supreme Court
The Republican Congress
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